Is Rasheed Wallace a Hall of Famer?

[Fafnir]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

I'm not an Antoine fan, but at least he had the balls to be the main man and a leader.  Sheed was on a title team, but he was the team's 3rd or 4th best player.

He was Detroit's best player than year, or rather it was probably a tie between him and Ben Wallace. They were a beastly defensive 4/5 combo.

1. Billups 2. Hamilton 3. Ben Wallace 4. Rasheed.

Because offense is everything, *sigh*.

Scoring stats = best player  .

[moiso]

despite the great career he's had, I'm actually quite sad that he hasn't done more. He had the potential to be one of the greatest pf's of all time imo. His athleticism with his mobility and his shooting abilities should have made him one of the most devastating offensive forces in the league. His fadeaway shot is unguardable, his shooting stroke (one of his uniquw talents and also one of his undoings since he got lazy and just roams on the perimeter now)for a pf is the best in the league(except for the new hybrid dirk style pf's). When he was younger he was very very athletic.


Instead he chose to just be a very good role player, who defers to his teammate when he has HOF talent, it's quite sad he didn't have the desire to be great. Just goes to show how much someone's mindset can make a difference.


But yeah, definitly not HOF worthy, but he should have been. If he can be a perennial all star by coasting, imagine if he actually tried to be a great player...

TP.

[Chris]

Seems like team wreckers who will never smell a championship like Iverson, according to most, are a lock while players like Dennis Johnson, Robert Horry, Rodman, Salley,  and to a fringe degree, Wallace, who always seem to be around championship teams, are left off....Speaks to what a collossal joke the hall of fame is...The NBA hall of fame is like the nobel peace prize of sports.

Isn't this about championships?

The problem is, you need to be more than just a guy who happen to get a bunch of rings.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think Dennis Johnson should be there, because he was a tremendous basketball player, one of the best defensive guards of his time, as well as a MAJOR piece of several championships.  And Rodman was also arguably the best rebounder of his generation, as well as one of the best defenders, who again was a major part of the championships.  

John Salley and Robert Horry on the other hand were both role players who happened to be in the right place in the right time.  You could have replaced them with dozens of other average players, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome of those championship teams.

With Wallace, it is a tougher call though.  He was a much better player than Horry and Sally, and he was arguably the best player on a championship team.  He has been an All Star multiple times.  I would even argue that when he was on Portland, before it went downhill, he was one of the top 5-10 players in the game.  

I think if Wallace does win a couple more championships, he will have to get a lot of consideration for the Hall.  Unfortunately, his reputation as a trouble-maker may make it tough for him to get the votes, but in my mind, he is deserving.

[Finkelskyhook]

Especially with a player like Horry, Chris...Do you really believe he stumbled into all of those championships with all of those different teams?

b]You could have replaced them with dozens of other average players, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome of those championship teams.[/b]

How many of those championships did Horry save with a big shot or a big play?

If Wallace wins a championship or two with us or with another team, he deserves more consideration than stat hounds who never get close.

In the famous words of Herman Edwards.........

[moiso]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

I'm not an Antoine fan, but at least he had the balls to be the main man and a leader.  Sheed was on a title team, but he was the team's 3rd or 4th best player.

He was Detroit's best player than year, or rather it was probably a tie between him and Ben Wallace. They were a beastly defensive 4/5 combo.

1. Billups 2. Hamilton 3. Ben Wallace 4. Rasheed.

Because offense is everything, *sigh*.

Scoring stats = best player  .

I have Ben ranked ahead of Sheed and Ben is one of the alltime worst offensive players.  Billups was the heart and soul of that team and opposing defenses were most scared of Hamilton.

[Chris]

Especially with a player like Horry, Chris...Do you really believe he stumbled into all of those championships with all of those different teams?

b]You could have replaced them with dozens of other average players, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome of those championship teams.[/b]

How many of those championships did Horry save with a big shot or a big play?

If Wallace wins a championship or two with us or with another team, he deserves more consideration than stat hounds who never get close.

In the famous words of Herman Edwards.........

I agree.  Although I really think you are overstating Horry's case.  The Hall of Fame is for the greatest players in the history of the game, and while Horry was a great clutch shooter (and that was a big reason contenders wanted him), he simply was not a great player.

But I certainly agree that it should not just be about stats.  It should be about overall positive impact on games (this is where Horry misses, because other than timely shots, he did not have huge impacts on games).

I think a guy like Iverson is a special case though.  Iverson is a selfish player.  However, he also was a completely unique player, who was downright dominant in his prime.  He is not someone who will just get in because of his numbers, he will get in because he always had HUGE impact on games, and was downright dominant for most of his career.  

While you can't discount the fact that he didn't win championships, you have to acknowledge his overall influence on the game.

[Greeny]

No doubt he will be in the hall.
My friends and I talk about the players on the Celtics current team now and the hall.

KG - in
Paul - in
Ray - in
Sheed - in

Perk - maybe 50/50
Rondo - maybe 50/50

Daniels - maybe 40/60
Baby - maybe 40/60

[lon3lytoaster]

No doubt he will be in the hall.
My friends and I talk about the players on the Celtics current team now and the hall.

KG - in
Paul - in
Ray - in
Sheed - in

Perk - maybe 50/50
Rondo - maybe 50/50

Daniels - maybe 40/60
Baby - maybe 40/60

Perk's nice, but he's no hall of famer. Daniels has zero chance, and neither does Baby. We'll have to wait and see what Rondo does over the next few years to make a solid conclusion on him.

As for Rasheed, I don't know. I don't really see it in the cards. That's not to say he wasn't a great player, obviously he has been throughout his career but not nearly the level of Pierce, KG and Ray.

[Bahku]

I think Sheed's got a bit more to prove before he qualifies for the Hall ... as it stands now, he just hasn't passed enough milestones to get there, and is not the caliber of player that the rest are. Can he? It's possible, but he hasn't shown me enough to earn that kind of respect ... yet.

[CelticG1]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

I'm not an Antoine fan, but at least he had the balls to be the main man and a leader.  Sheed was on a title team, but he was the team's 3rd or 4th best player.

He was Detroit's best player than year, or rather it was probably a tie between him and Ben Wallace. They were a beastly defensive 4/5 combo.

1. Billups 2. Hamilton 3. Ben Wallace 4. Rasheed.

Because offense is everything, *sigh*.

Scoring stats = best player  .

I have Ben ranked ahead of Sheed and Ben is one of the alltime worst offensive players.  Billups was the heart and soul of that team and opposing defenses were most scared of Hamilton.

I think it is pretty hard to rank the importance of those players from that championship team.  I think they were all very very close in terms of how valuable they were to that team and I think a very strong argument can be made that any one of those players could be considered the best on that team. I think it's unfair to say that any of those players would be ranked as 4th best because they were all just as important as the other. I'm not just saying this based on the cliche of everyone on the team being just as important as the other. I just think that all of those guys are very interchangeable in terms of how good they were to that team. It's not clear cut like saying Rondo or Perk was the 4th best player on our championship team.

[BASS_THUMPER]

sheed is  a hall of famer

of course he is a playa that can go to any team and make it better..after that interview i saw with him and his wife..he keep more real that anybody in the spotlight..

[LB3533]

I'd say Reggie Miller has had a better NBA career and he won't be a hall of famer.

No chance Sheed gets in, not with his career and then add in his poor reputation....no shot.

[xmuscularghandix]

I'd say Reggie Miller has had a better NBA career and he won't be a hall of famer.

No chance Sheed gets in, not with his career and then add in his poor reputation....no shot.

I'd say that Reggie Miller is in easy.

[Neurotic Guy]

I'd say Reggie Miller has had a better NBA career and he won't be a hall of famer.

No chance Sheed gets in, not with his career and then add in his poor reputation....no shot.

I'm not really one who cares much about Hall of Fame inductions - though I think sports museums are interesting. I think the reason I don't care is that I really think the importance of it is overblown and represents an unnecessary glorification for folks who've spent a lifetime being glorified for having been born with a set of valued skills (and usually working hard to maximize them).  I'm not saying HOF is wrong, just saying it doesn't interest me all that much -- much like the abundance of awards for famous actors is fine, but doesn't get me excited.  Watching and praising the performances when they occur works for me.

That said, Reggie Miller will unquestionably be inducted into the HOF.

[Who]

I'd say Reggie Miller has had a better NBA career and he won't be a hall of famer.

No chance Sheed gets in, not with his career and then add in his poor reputation....no shot.

I'd say that Reggie Miller is in easy.

Yup, I think Reggie is a lock too.