Is Rasheed Wallace a Hall of Famer?

[Fafnir]

sheed is not a hall of famer.  he is very good, but not worthy of HOF.

That's absolutely true.  The more interesting question is what, if anything, he could do to become worthy.

Not much really. He's an old basketball player, and at this point is just a role player. His best years weren't good enough to get into the HoF, so unless he miraculously has two years like he was in his early 30s he won't make it.

[dark_lord]

sheed is not a hall of famer.  he is very good, but not worthy of HOF.

That's absolutely true.  The more interesting question is what, if anything, he could do to become worthy.

personally, i dont think there is anything he can do.  another title, another all star appearance....it wont cut it, imo.

its not a knock on him at all, he what he is, and im glad he is on our team.

[dark_lord]

And Dennis Rodman needs to be a first balloter. The whole "half of rebounding is who wants it more", Rodman embodied that more than anybody.

i couldnt agree more.  i love the worm!

[LB3533]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

[Fafnir]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

Uh what part of this confuses you?

Rasheed produced the same as Antione, much more efficiently. Also most of that production leaves out defense, which is half of the game. On that end Rasheed's advantage is even larger!

Hence the 62 more winshares he's produced, they're not even close to the same level. Which is sad because Antoine could have been as good as Wallace.

[indeedproceed]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

Uh what part of this confuses you?

Rasheed produced the same as Antione, much more efficiently. Also most of that production leaves out defense, which is half of the game. On that end Rasheed's advantage is even larger!

Hence the 62 more winshares he's produced, they're not even close to the same level. Which is sad because Antoine could have been as good as Wallace.

I'd say Antoine could have been just as good a player, but he would've needed to do it a lot differently. He couldn't have matched Rasheed's defensive production.

But then, if we're gonna talk potential, Rasheed was more mobile, and better suited to a post game. I still give the edge to Rasheed in that respect.

In case you have not noticed, I am one of those vaunted "Toine Haters"

[LB3533]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

Uh what part of this confuses you?

Rasheed produced the same as Antione, much more efficiently. Also most of that production leaves out defense, which is half of the game. On that end Rasheed's advantage is even larger!

Hence the 62 more winshares he's produced, they're not even close to the same level. Which is sad because Antoine could have been as good as Wallace.

I looked at that comparison and it doesn't compute that Sheed is vastly the greater player.

Also, by the same website....Sheed has a 2.4% chance to make the hall.

Where as Toine has a 15.3% chance to make the hall....

So despite how poorly Toine's career is compared to Sheed, the same website feels he is 7x more likely to get into the hall over Sheed.

[moiso]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

I'm not an Antoine fan, but at least he had the balls to be the main man and a leader.  Sheed was on a title team, but he was the team's 3rd or 4th best player.

[KungPoweChicken]

Honestly, I'm surprised this is being discussed. Rasheed has never played up to a hall of fame level. In fact, his reputation is the exact opposite of a hall of fame player. Other than that, I'm still glad he's a C. But, come on now. Hall of fame?

[LB3533]

Sheed's going to be really good for our 2nd unit, but he's not going to be great.

KG is great.

Pierce is great.

If we don't have KG, Ray would be great too.

[Fafnir]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

Uh what part of this confuses you?

Rasheed produced the same as Antione, much more efficiently. Also most of that production leaves out defense, which is half of the game. On that end Rasheed's advantage is even larger!

Hence the 62 more winshares he's produced, they're not even close to the same level. Which is sad because Antoine could have been as good as Wallace.

I looked at that comparison and it doesn't compute that Sheed is vastly the greater player.

Also, by the same website....Sheed has a 2.4% chance to make the hall.

Where as Toine has a 15.3% chance to make the hall....

So despite how poorly Toine's career is compared to Sheed, the same website feels he is 7x more likely to get into the hall over Sheed.

Did you read how they calculate that? They just data mined and created a big regression of a lot of different factors. It has nothing to do with the value of the player and everything to do with how people have voted in the past. All star appearances, all defense, MVPs, etc all weight heavily in that formula.

[Fafnir]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

I'm not an Antoine fan, but at least he had the balls to be the main man and a leader.  Sheed was on a title team, but he was the team's 3rd or 4th best player.

He was Detroit's best player than year, or rather it was probably a tie between him and Ben Wallace. They were a beastly defensive 4/5 combo.

[jayk009]

despite the great career he's had, I'm actually quite sad that he hasn't done more. He had the potential to be one of the greatest pf's of all time imo. His athleticism with his mobility and his shooting abilities should have made him one of the most devastating offensive forces in the league. His fadeaway shot is unguardable, his shooting stroke (one of his uniquw talents and also one of his undoings since he got lazy and just roams on the perimeter now)for a pf is the best in the league(except for the new hybrid dirk style pf's). When he was younger he was very very athletic.


Instead he chose to just be a very good role player, who defers to his teammate when he has HOF talent, it's quite sad he didn't have the desire to be great. Just goes to show how much someone's mindset can make a difference.


But yeah, definitly not HOF worthy, but he should have been. If he can be a perennial all star by coasting, imagine if he actually tried to be a great player...

[Finkelskyhook]

Seems like team wreckers who will never smell a championship like Iverson, according to most, are a lock while players like Dennis Johnson, Robert Horry, Rodman, Salley,  and to a fringe degree, Wallace, who always seem to be around championship teams, are left off....Speaks to what a collossal joke the hall of fame is...The NBA hall of fame is like the nobel peace prize of sports.

Isn't this about championships?

[moiso]

Sheed may be the better player compared to Toine, but his career doesn't show it.

If you compare the two players' career production and efficiency, it is pretty even....it could go either way.

If you look at talent and potential as well as fundamentals and change each respective players and place them on different teams....well that's just fantasy stuff and not actually representative of their careers.

I'm not an Antoine fan, but at least he had the balls to be the main man and a leader.  Sheed was on a title team, but he was the team's 3rd or 4th best player.

He was Detroit's best player than year, or rather it was probably a tie between him and Ben Wallace. They were a beastly defensive 4/5 combo.

1. Billups 2. Hamilton 3. Ben Wallace 4. Rasheed.