Andres Nocioni to Boston will not happen

[screwedupmaniac]

I guess it all depends on whether you want Scal, Tony, and JR Giddens trying to back up the 3, or if you'd rather move their contracts for Nocioni's defense and shooting touch backing up Pierce. Either way, we're paying out money, and I'd much rather watch Nocioni fill a need than watch Scal and Tony try to.

[jambr380]

I guess it all depends on whether you want Scal, Tony, and JR Giddens trying to back up the 3, or if you'd rather move their contracts for Nocioni's defense and shooting touch backing up Pierce. Either way, we're paying out money, and I'd much rather watch Nocioni fill a need than watch Scal and Tony try to.

I think everyone's point here is that you are only paying those guys through this year, while you are paying Nocioni for two additional years. We have several free agents this next summer (Rondo and Ray being the obvious ones). If having Nocioni's fat contract ever got in the middle of signing one of those guys, it would be a real shame. I think one of those three should be able to step up as the third sf (because Marquis will be getting time there)...

[BballTim]

I guess it all depends on whether you want Scal, Tony, and JR Giddens trying to back up the 3, or if you'd rather move their contracts for Nocioni's defense and shooting touch backing up Pierce. Either way, we're paying out money, and I'd much rather watch Nocioni fill a need than watch Scal and Tony try to.

  What if you want Daniels backing up the 3?

[Roy Hobbs]

I guess it all depends on whether you want Scal, Tony, and JR Giddens trying to back up the 3, or if you'd rather move their contracts for Nocioni's defense and shooting touch backing up Pierce. Either way, we're paying out money, and I'd much rather watch Nocioni fill a need than watch Scal and Tony try to.

  What if you want Daniels backing up the 3?

Yeah, that's how I see it.  Eddie House is the backup point guard, while Marquis Daniels is the point forward, handling the ball.

[pumpfake]

i really don't trust daniels, i think boston fans are overrating him right now. i never found him to be a good defender, and his offense is pretty 1 dimensional. he goes right and tries his short range floater type things.

nocioni would be a tommy point machine in limited minutes. he can continue to stretch the floor, and he's a much better rebounder.

hopefully, marquis can prove me wrong.

[gpap]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

[liam]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

Is he worth 14 million a year? That's the question. He's a good player but he makes too much plus it's doubled for 3 years because of the tax. We'd be paying Nocioni with the money we need to pay to Rondo.

[Chris]

I thought this same thing until this summer, however, I think something changed this summer.  When they signed Wallace to a 3 year deal, it showed me that they were going to make a commitment to go all out right now, and it also told me that with the probability of the cap actually going down over the next couple of years, I do not think they are targetting 2011 to have cap space anymore, and are willing to take on the right long-term contracts right now.

And the thing is, Nocioni is younger, and he is a better player than James Posey.  He is a comparable defender, but he is a much more versatile offensive player.  He also does not have a history of weight, and possibly work ethic questions, that may, or may not have weighed in on the C's decision on Posey.

So I still think it is unlikely that they trade for Nocioni, mainly because I don't think they need him enough to take on that contract, now that they have Wallace and Baby.  However, I would no longer be shocked if it did happen...particularly if there was an injury.

[Galiza Ceive]

Are Tony + Scal worth 12 million then?
In my opinion, we would change one very useful player for two useless ones.

[Casperian]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

Is he worth 14 million a year? That's the question. He's a good player but he makes too much plus it's doubled for 3 years because of the tax. We'd be paying Nocioni with the money we need to pay to Rondo.

The real question is: Is a package of TA, Scal and Giddens worth 14 million? (Edit: What GC said).
Because that´s what the Celtics pay them. One could argue that it would be better to have a very good bench player and two minimum players than our three guys.

I think the Celtics already have to be careful with the minute-management, so my guess is they won´t bring anyone new in except in case of injuries.
Additionally, I think it would be smarter to wait until the deadline, if we want to trade our expiring contracts. The "Summer of 2010" is coming, and there´s a good chance that a team completely underperforms and the Celtics could get an even better player than Nocioni.

Nocioni won´t run away, he´ll either stay in Sacramento or he´ll come to the Celtics. The combination of his contract and game makes only sense for a contender, and there is no contender out there who would have the tools to acquire him.

[Chris]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

Is he worth 14 million a year? That's the question. He's a good player but he makes too much plus it's doubled for 3 years because of the tax. We'd be paying Nocioni with the money we need to pay to Rondo.

Rondo has nothing to do with this.  If he proves to be worth the amount of money he is asking for, they will give it to him, and if he doesn't, they won't.  It won't have anything to do with who else is on the payroll.  

[Roy Hobbs]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

Is he worth 14 million a year? That's the question. He's a good player but he makes too much plus it's doubled for 3 years because of the tax. We'd be paying Nocioni with the money we need to pay to Rondo.

Rondo has nothing to do with this.  If he proves to be worth the amount of money he is asking for, they will give it to him, and if he doesn't, they won't.  It won't have anything to do with who else is on the payroll.  

Rondo will be back no matter what, but I'm sure Rondo's future salary is factored into any analysis of what players can be brought on board.  Adding a long term $7 million per season salary isn't in the teams best interests, especially as it has to worry about potential extensions for Rondo, Perk, KG, and Pierce.

[BballTim]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

Is he worth 14 million a year? That's the question. He's a good player but he makes too much plus it's doubled for 3 years because of the tax. We'd be paying Nocioni with the money we need to pay to Rondo.

Rondo has nothing to do with this.  If he proves to be worth the amount of money he is asking for, they will give it to him, and if he doesn't, they won't.  It won't have anything to do with who else is on the payroll.  

  I don't think this is necessarily true. Danny doesn't have an unlimited budget.

[HomeRunBaker]

i really don't trust daniels, i think boston fans are overrating him right now. i never found him to be a good defender, and his offense is pretty 1 dimensional. he goes right and tries his short range floater type things.

nocioni would be a tommy point machine in limited minutes. he can continue to stretch the floor, and he's a much better rebounder.

hopefully, marquis can prove me wrong.

I am very confident he will.  I love his game and he brings a dimension to this Celtics team that we have not seen since our resurgence a couple years ago.  You don't see 6'7 athletic PG's who can take advantage of mismatches on other teams second units.  Daniels has been the missing link in our backcourt the past two years.

[Chris]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I respectfully disagree 100%. As good as our Celtics are, I still think we MAY need one more back-up to bring Cleveland and Orlando down. I think Nocioni to Boston makes all the sense in the world. He's an effective back up small forward who can bring versatility, defense and shooting. Not to mention now that Bill Walker is already injured, what can we really expect from him?

In my mind if we pass on Nocioni, we'll be making the same mistake we made with Posey. That mistake was being cheap and not looking into retaining/acquiring talent to help us win more championships. I say trade for Nocioni now and not worry so much about the long term. Sometimes tunnel vision is never a good idea either. Just my two cents.

Is he worth 14 million a year? That's the question. He's a good player but he makes too much plus it's doubled for 3 years because of the tax. We'd be paying Nocioni with the money we need to pay to Rondo.

Rondo has nothing to do with this.  If he proves to be worth the amount of money he is asking for, they will give it to him, and if he doesn't, they won't.  It won't have anything to do with who else is on the payroll.  

  I don't think this is necessarily true. Danny doesn't have an unlimited budget.

I never said he did.  However, premium guys like Rondo won't be the ones who are affected, it will be the lesser players (or older players) that will not be given new contracts.  So if they felt they need to go after Nocioni, the guys more likely to be feeling it would be Ray Allen, Perk, and anyone hoping to catch on with the MLE next year.