Andres Nocioni to Boston will not happen

[jayk009]

just because we have expirings and the kings dont need Nocioni, it doesn't mean that the Celtics will try to trade for him. He would be a good fit on this team, but you know who was a better fit? yeah thats right..James Posey. What makes you guys think that management would be willing to pay Nocioni's contract if they weren't even willing to pay Posey for that long? It's not necessarily the annual figures that Noc is making but the length of his contract. It doesn't fit into the Celtics plan and its just too much of a commitment for a guy that will play 20 mins a game at the most. I know the contract is only 2 more years after this season is done, but considering that Eddie House, Marquis Daniels, Ray Allen and Rondo are due for new deals, they will want to maintain as much flexibility as possible and considering that they will most likely be in the luxury tax next season, every dollar saved will count and having scal and tony allen come off the books will be a welcome relief for them..I'm not saying that they will have more cap space or anything, just the money saved by not having noc(or scal and tony) can be contributed to paying our FA's, plus keep the luxury tax as low as possible(even though it is enevitable we will pay the tax). This is why I don't think the Celtics will acquire Nocioni....

[Roy Hobbs]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

[Rondo_is_better]

It also doesn't need to happen. What exactly does Nocioni bring that Marquis Daniels doesn't that we need?

[ToppersBsktball10]

It also doesn't need to happen. What exactly does Nocioni bring that Marquis Daniels doesn't that we need?

Shooting, I guess. But we obviously don't need that, I'd take Nocioni though. Depending on who we give up.

[ToppersBsktball10]

* I would not trade Daniels for Nocioni straight up.

[pumpfake]

nocioni is younger than posey. those extra years aren't going to be when he's too old to play.

and he does bring shooting and can guard bigger guys than marquis, which is something we need.

but truthfully, we need them both. we're still light at the wings. unless marquis or scal can somehow play the 3, which i don't think they can.

[Rondo_is_better]

nocioni is younger than posey. those extra years aren't going to be when he's too old to play.

and he does bring shooting and can guard bigger guys than marquis, which is something we need.

but truthfully, we need them both. we're still light at the wings. unless marquis or scal can somehow play the 3, which i don't think they can.

Well, we don't really need shooting. Our 3pt shooting was best in the league. We shot 40% as a team behind the line.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=tmcompare&season=2009&seasontype=2

and Marquis is 6'6 200 lbs. That's definitely big enough to guard most 3's.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marquis_daniels/

I think Nocioni would be a useless stunt double for Marquis, seeing as he actually isn't as good a defender, not to mention he's a good shooter but not a great one, shooting 40% from 3 last year, good for 40th in the league.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nba3ptpct&season=2009&seasontype=2

My opinion.

[liam]

I basically agree.  Nocioni's contract is simply too big and too long, and would affect some of the long term goals of the team.

I agree. I think with the Lux. Tax we would be paying him like 14 million a year. For a role player that's way too much.

[jdub1660]

nocioni is younger than posey. those extra years aren't going to be when he's too old to play.

and he does bring shooting and can guard bigger guys than marquis, which is something we need.

but truthfully, we need them both. we're still light at the wings. unless marquis or scal can somehow play the 3, which i don't think they can.

Totally agree there. Not only is he younger than Posey, but he brings more to the table than JUST 3 point shooting. Even Cedric said that during the NBA TV Training Camp that Posey was only a 3 point shooter on offense. Noc is a slasher and has a sick mid range game.
As for the "limited minutes" argument, who plays what position if we don't have Noc. Tony Allen SHOULD NOT be playing. Bill Walker is out, and Giddens has yet to crack the active 12. And Scal can't guard SFs. So if you have House and Daniels playing 1 and 2, then who's left? Sheldon. Keep laughing, b/c it's not happening. We need someone that is a big SF, and we need them now so the chemistry can be built, not in February.

OR Move Daniels to the 3, House at the 2 and bring in a real PG like Bobby Jackson

[xmuscularghandix]

Totally agree, Andres is 30 this year and is locked up until the summer of '12 (with a team option at that point) He's not what we need.

We need to have Giddens show something. He needs to take the steps forward that will tell us whether or not he's capable of steping up in the years after the big three. I'd rather be watching Walker for these signs but his injury has obviously set him back (again).

[greenwise]

Totally agree, Andres is 30 this year and is locked up until the summer of '12 (with a team option at that point) He's not what we need.

We need to have Giddens show something. He needs to take the steps forward that will tell us whether or not he's capable of steping up in the years after the big three. I'd rather be watching Walker for these signs but his injury has obviously set him back (again).

I am not sure we have time for that now. JR is basically a rookie and we will get very limited time on the court this year. He will probably be let go at the end of the season, like we did with Pruitt

And yes, I think Nocioni to Boston may happen

[Tai]

People don't seem to trust Daniels, at least that's what I notice from the people who think this trade will happen.

This trade financial-wise really doesn't make sense, and ultimately I think that will win out.

[jayk009]

people are acting like all 5 backups will come onto the court at the same time, I think this will rarely happen except in the case of blowouts. Daniels will  mainly fill the role of backup 3 and also play point forward role when he is on the court with Eddie House, it all depends who he's playing with. If Doc mixes and matches the right lineups and keeps one ball handler on the floor at all times then Daniels will be able to fill in for both roles depending on who he's playing with.  Marquis Daniels and Eddie House are capable of playing spot minutes at the point guard position effectively, and considering that there will be at most 15 mins a game at backup pg up for grabs, Eddie House and Daniels sharing that role will be just fine. Daniels will average around 20-30 mins a game, and it will be divided between the 1,2 and 3 backup mins. The only problem that I can see is that if Rondo is injured, they will need a true pg to be able to handle large minutes, but it's not like there are any really good pg's on the FA market right now anyways, and I'm sure Danny will find a way to trade for a aging "minute-eater" that wont help or hurt the team much if he really needed to, but this is something he could deal with later. We have 4 bench guys that each should get at least 20 mins a game(rasheed, big baby, marquis, house) and that will be really hard to do. I don't understand the obsession with acquiring another backup 3 when we already have one, and there are barely any minutes to go around as it is...

[footey]

I think Nocioni has declined as a player last couple of seasons.  Don't understand all the intrigue about him.

I would love for us to work out a trade for Posey later in the year, giving up some expiring contracts.  Then get Ray to come back at a home town discount next season so that we can extend Rondo with a long term deal.

[Michael Anthony]

Nocioni is an interesting player, but with the addition of Daniels AND Wallace he is no longer necesary. If we only had one of those guys he would be nice to have.

One remaining gap on our bench is a small forward that can guard Lebron and Lewis when Pierce is on the bench. I know it is a very specific task and for very limitted minutes, but it is hugely important to the team's ultimate goal.

For that reason, I would love to see us trade Tony and Scal to New York for Jared Jeffries and a second rounder.