Nocioni Rumor (merged)

[Drucci]

I don't know much about Nocioni but I don't really like him as a player.

As for the length of his contract, I would rather bring back Posey instead...

So I would say no to Nocioni right now, preferring to let Marquis play a lot of minutes and keep our expiring contracts and maybe use them during the season if necessary.

[lon3lytoaster]

I don't know much about Nocioni but I don't really like him as a player.

As for the length of his contract, I would rather bring back Posey instead...

So I would say no to Nocioni right now, preferring to let Marquis play a lot of minutes and keep our expiring contracts and maybe use them during the season if necessary.

How can you say you don't like him when you haven't seen him? Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen... And I've seen it a lot in this thread. At least watch him play first.

And I'll bet right now that Marquis is going to let a lot of people down this season.

[Drucci]

I don't know much about Nocioni but I don't really like him as a player.

As for the length of his contract, I would rather bring back Posey instead...

So I would say no to Nocioni right now, preferring to let Marquis play a lot of minutes and keep our expiring contracts and maybe use them during the season if necessary.

How can you say you don't like him when you haven't seen him? Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen... And I've seen it a lot in this thread. At least watch him play first.

And I'll bet right now that Marquis is going to let a lot of people down this season.

"I don't know much about him" means I've seen him play a few times only. Didn't impressed me in a positive way, and I don't like him because... well, it's physical but I didn't like his game either. Too much one and ones and dumb plays. Can't stand his face and he didn't seem like a really good player to me. I'm not sure he would fit in well in Boston, especially when you consider that he isn't in the "we, not me" mentality.

[Brickowski]

I've seen Nocioni play lots of times:  with the Argentinian national team (in both the world championships and the Olympics), with the Bulls and the Kings.  That's why I don't want him.

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

But I'll answer my own question: this team doesn't need a player like Nocioni or Harpring.  It needs a backup pg.  When they get a backup pg, they are 100% set. I'd rather give Nocioni's money to Rondo or use it to sign Marquis Daniels long term. 

This team is going to be too good over the next 2-3 years to get much help from the draft.  It's Rondo, Perkins and younger veterans like Daniels who will need to carry the team after the big three ride off into the sunset.  That's where the money should go, not to some 30 year-old bench forward.

[lon3lytoaster]

I don't know much about Nocioni but I don't really like him as a player.

As for the length of his contract, I would rather bring back Posey instead...

So I would say no to Nocioni right now, preferring to let Marquis play a lot of minutes and keep our expiring contracts and maybe use them during the season if necessary.

How can you say you don't like him when you haven't seen him? Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen... And I've seen it a lot in this thread. At least watch him play first.

And I'll bet right now that Marquis is going to let a lot of people down this season.

"I don't know much about him" means I've seen him play a few times only. Didn't impressed me in a positive way, and I don't like him because... well, it's physical but I didn't like his game either. Too much one and ones and dumb plays. Can't stand his face and he didn't seem like a really good player to me. I'm not sure he would fit in well in Boston, especially when you consider that he isn't in the "we, not me" mentality.

You can't stand his face? Like literally? I didn't know the NBA was a beauty pageant.

With all the fanfare for Posey, I don't know why some people are so against adding talent. I mean, Posey really doesn't look like a good player on the surface at all then you see all the little things he does and how physical and aggressive he can be then everyone loves him. Maybe it was the mult-colored green and white mouth guard, I don't know.

I'm not sure where you're getting the bad attitude side of the story, either. I have never heard he was a cancer.. I've heard significantly worse about Rasheed and how he'll implode the team, yet I as well as most others welcome and embrace him on the Celtics.

And I'd just like to add that statistically speaking, Nocioni is probably a better player than Pose. Hard to agree with, I'm sure. Noc's per 36's are better across the board and his defensive rating is only two higher than Posey career wise (Points allowed/hundred possessions, lower number better) He's also been an equal or better shooter from three than Posey, and when James was here that was pretty much his offensive role.

Having a lot of talent isn't a problem at all.. and if it's true that Noc wants to be here and Sacramento is willing to trade him in a salary dump for Tony and Scalabrine there shouldn't be a milisecond of hesitation on Danny's part.

[BrickJames]

I've seen Nocioni play lots of times:  with the Argentinian national team (in both the world championships and the Olympics), with the Bulls and the Kings.  That's why I don't want him.

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

But I'll answer my own question: this team doesn't need a player like Nocioni or Harpring.  It needs a backup pg.  When they get a backup pg, they are 100% set. I'd rather give Nocioni's money to Rondo or use it to sign Marquis Daniels long term. 

This team is going to be too good over the next 2-3 years to get much help from the draft.  It's Rondo, Perkins and younger veterans like Daniels who will need to carry the team after the big three ride off into the sunset.  That's where the money should go, not to some 30 year-old bench forward.

Brick, I'm with you, but Bobby Jackson and Nocioni for Scal and TA, like on the front page.  You wouldn't do that?

[Brickowski]

I've seen Nocioni play lots of times:  with the Argentinian national team (in both the world championships and the Olympics), with the Bulls and the Kings.  That's why I don't want him.

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

But I'll answer my own question: this team doesn't need a player like Nocioni or Harpring.  It needs a backup pg.  When they get a backup pg, they are 100% set. I'd rather give Nocioni's money to Rondo or use it to sign Marquis Daniels long term. 

This team is going to be too good over the next 2-3 years to get much help from the draft.  It's Rondo, Perkins and younger veterans like Daniels who will need to carry the team after the big three ride off into the sunset.  That's where the money should go, not to some 30 year-old bench forward.

Brick, I'm with you, but Bobby Jackson and Nocioni for Scal and TA, like on the front page.  You wouldn't do that?

No, and neither would you because the salaries don't match.  And even if the salaries matched, I wouldn't do it.  I'm not paying Nocioni 7 million a year for the next 4 years, even if he was offered to me for free.

[lon3lytoaster]

Woah.. Brickjames and Brickowsi.. For some reason I always thought you two were the same person. Is this just a split personality thing?

[Jon]

I've seen Nocioni play lots of times:  with the Argentinian national team (in both the world championships and the Olympics), with the Bulls and the Kings.  That's why I don't want him.

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

But I'll answer my own question: this team doesn't need a player like Nocioni or Harpring.  It needs a backup pg.  When they get a backup pg, they are 100% set. I'd rather give Nocioni's money to Rondo or use it to sign Marquis Daniels long term. 

This team is going to be too good over the next 2-3 years to get much help from the draft.  It's Rondo, Perkins and younger veterans like Daniels who will need to carry the team after the big three ride off into the sunset.  That's where the money should go, not to some 30 year-old bench forward.

Brick, I'm with you, but Bobby Jackson and Nocioni for Scal and TA, like on the front page.  You wouldn't do that?

No, and neither would you because the salaries don't match.  And even if the salaries matched, I wouldn't do it.  I'm not paying Nocioni 7 million a year for the next 4 years, even if he was offered to me for free.

I agree.  Too many people are looking at this situation like we're building an army, where the more "warriors" we get, the more likely we are to win a battle.  However, basketball is not like that.  Once you get beyond the 8th or 9th man, you're really just looking at depth and development. 

If Nocioni came here, I'm not sure he'd get more than 5-10 mpg in the regular season and I'm not sure he'd even get off the bench come playoff time.  Paying a guy 7 million a year for that type of uncertainty isn't worth it.  Especially when it could mean no MLE next year. 

[sully00]

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

Matt Harpring retired and I still think it is a better idea. 

I am trying to think out of the box on this one, saying that we want to be the Blazers back in the day with just a stacked roster and nobody playing more than 30 mpg.  5 starters and 5 backups but [dang] at that price tag I just don't see it as necessary. 

[gpap]

I would love Nocioni in Boston. A backup small/power forward who will bring veteran experience and depth off the bench. Not to mention he used to kill us when he was in Chicago. Get it done Danny!

[jdub1660]

I've seen Nocioni play lots of times:  with the Argentinian national team (in both the world championships and the Olympics), with the Bulls and the Kings.  That's why I don't want him.

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

But I'll answer my own question: this team doesn't need a player like Nocioni or Harpring.  It needs a backup pg.  When they get a backup pg, they are 100% set. I'd rather give Nocioni's money to Rondo or use it to sign Marquis Daniels long term. 

This team is going to be too good over the next 2-3 years to get much help from the draft.  It's Rondo, Perkins and younger veterans like Daniels who will need to carry the team after the big three ride off into the sunset.  That's where the money should go, not to some 30 year-old bench forward.

Brick, I'm with you, but Bobby Jackson and Nocioni for Scal and TA, like on the front page.  You wouldn't do that?

No, and neither would you because the salaries don't match.  And even if the salaries matched, I wouldn't do it.  I'm not paying Nocioni 7 million a year for the next 4 years, even if he was offered to me for free.

ERR!! Wrong, sir. Salaries work out just fine. Sign and trade Bobby Jackson for vet min, plus Noc for Scal, Giddens and Tony works out just fine. Tested it on NBA trade machine. Being within 125% plus 100,000. Replace BJackson w/ Omri Caspi for the example.

And to answer the question, YES, the trade makes great sense. Noc is a great player and would fill our void at SF. Bring in Bobby Jackson works for our backup PG for playoffs. BJ shares minutes with House and we have a fall back option for Daniels in case he doesn't pan out well.

[timepiece33]

I'm not paying Nocioni 7 million a year for the next 4 years, even if he was offered to me for free.

Agree even though I believe free is worth more than Tony Allen and Brian Scalabrine. 

This guy is simply not worth it.

[2short]

I've seen Nocioni play lots of times:  with the Argentinian national team (in both the world championships and the Olympics), with the Bulls and the Kings.  That's why I don't want him.

Streak shooter, slow feet, no athleticism, overpaid.  Instead of Nocioni, why not go after Matt Harpring, who has an expiring contract at about the same money and plays a little defense?

But I'll answer my own question: this team doesn't need a player like Nocioni or Harpring.  It needs a backup pg.  When they get a backup pg, they are 100% set. I'd rather give Nocioni's money to Rondo or use it to sign Marquis Daniels long term. 

This team is going to be too good over the next 2-3 years to get much help from the draft.  It's Rondo, Perkins and younger veterans like Daniels who will need to carry the team after the big three ride off into the sunset.  That's where the money should go, not to some 30 year-old bench forward.

Brick, I'm with you, but Bobby Jackson and Nocioni for Scal and TA, like on the front page.  You wouldn't do that?

No, and neither would you because the salaries don't match.  And even if the salaries matched, I wouldn't do it.  I'm not paying Nocioni 7 million a year for the next 4 years, even if he was offered to me for free.

I agree.  Too many people are looking at this situation like we're building an army, where the more "warriors" we get, the more likely we are to win a battle.  However, basketball is not like that.  Once you get beyond the 8th or 9th man, you're really just looking at depth and development. 

If Nocioni came here, I'm not sure he'd get more than 5-10 mpg in the regular season and I'm not sure he'd even get off the bench come playoff time.  Paying a guy 7 million a year for that type of uncertainty isn't worth it.  Especially when it could mean no MLE next year. 

paying a 10 mpg guy 7 million a year....what does our starting center think of that when he looks at his paycheck
or our future star pg (or his agent) when a sub makes 7 mill what is a future all star worth

[greg_kite]

I want Rodriguez because they need a backup point guard.  They don't need another forward.

I never said Rodriguez is better than Nocioni.  I am saying that he makes 24 million dollars less and fills a need.  Nocioni doesn't.

Nocioni is no Posey.  Posey could defend three positions.  Nocioni can't even defend one.  I'd rather keep Glenn Davis, who can defend two positions and has proven to be a clutch player.  You wouldn't have to give up Davis to get Rodriguez.

Glen Davis won't be in a trade for Nocioni.  He could have been in February but can't now due to his new contract.  Next year it will be much easier to trade him.

As much as I like Nocioni I'm not sure he'd be the best fit for the team.  A backup SF making 7 mil a year doesn't make sense unless he's a perfect fit.  He's not.  Stephen Jackson though would be worth it.  I just don't see GS giving him up for Scal and Tony.