Raja Bell!!!

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

[PosImpos]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

At 6-6 200? my question is who is the guy you bring off the bench to guard guys like LeBron or Lamar Odom, bigger SFs. Not saying that Bill Walker is that guy, but I don't see the point in trading him for someone who isn't that guy either.

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

Yes

[jdub1660]

I would love to see Raja here, but at this point, I'd rather see Radmanovic. I feel the need for a taller bigger SF. He's not a "great" defender, but he's longer and younger than Bell. His contract has a player option, so he could cut himself next season or not. Plus backing up Pierce means coming out to either guard the starting SF for a few minutes, but mainly guarding bench SFs. Plus he could play PF and also hit a ton of 3s if needed. I like his shooting touch more than Bell's.

On another note, I'd hate to trade away Scalabrine. He fills the hole for backup PF and C AND can hit the 3. I would only include him in a trade if the other team didn't want him and planned on buying him out.

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

At 6-6 200? my question is who is the guy you bring off the bench to guard guys like LeBron or Lamar Odom, bigger SFs. Not saying that Bill Walker is that guy, but I don't see the point in trading him for someone who isn't that guy either.

No one is going to be able to guard Lebron. No one in the entire NBA. The point of my argument is that Raja Bell is a an upgrade over Bill Walker right now in almost every facet of the game and i think we would be crazy to hold on to Walker when we can replace him with Bell instead. Bell could be a reliable back up as Quis will be giving more rest for Pierce and Ray. Keeping them as fresh as possible is a concern of mine, not searching for a reserve who can guard lebron that probably doesn't even exist.

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

At 6-6 200? my question is who is the guy you bring off the bench to guard guys like LeBron or Lamar Odom, bigger SFs. Not saying that Bill Walker is that guy, but I don't see the point in trading him for someone who isn't that guy either.

No one is going to be able to guard Lebron. No one in the entire NBA. The point of my argument is that Raja Bell is a an upgrade over Bill Walker right now in almost every facet of the game and i think we would be crazy to hold on to Walker when we can replace him with Bell instead. Bell could be a reliable back up as Quis will be giving more rest for Pierce and Ray. Keeping them as fresh as possible is a concern of mine, not searching for a reserve who can guard lebron that probably doesn't even exist.

Right about LeBron, but what about the other strong 3's who neith Quis nor Bell can guard?

[Tai]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

At 6-6 200? my question is who is the guy you bring off the bench to guard guys like LeBron or Lamar Odom, bigger SFs. Not saying that Bill Walker is that guy, but I don't see the point in trading him for someone who isn't that guy either.

No one is going to be able to guard Lebron. No one in the entire NBA. The point of my argument is that Raja Bell is a an upgrade over Bill Walker right now in almost every facet of the game and i think we would be crazy to hold on to Walker when we can replace him with Bell instead. Bell could be a reliable back up as Quis will be giving more rest for Pierce and Ray. Keeping them as fresh as possible is a concern of mine, not searching for a reserve who can guard lebron that probably doesn't even exist.

Right about LeBron, but what about the other strong 3's who neith Quis nor Bell can guard?

Just wanna know, but who are these other strong 3's that Bell nor Quis can't guard? Do you mean Rashard Lewis?

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

At 6-6 200? my question is who is the guy you bring off the bench to guard guys like LeBron or Lamar Odom, bigger SFs. Not saying that Bill Walker is that guy, but I don't see the point in trading him for someone who isn't that guy either.

No one is going to be able to guard Lebron. No one in the entire NBA. The point of my argument is that Raja Bell is a an upgrade over Bill Walker right now in almost every facet of the game and i think we would be crazy to hold on to Walker when we can replace him with Bell instead. Bell could be a reliable back up as Quis will be giving more rest for Pierce and Ray. Keeping them as fresh as possible is a concern of mine, not searching for a reserve who can guard lebron that probably doesn't even exist.

Right about LeBron, but what about the other strong 3's who neith Quis nor Bell can guard?

Just wanna know, but who are these other strong 3's that Bell nor Quis can't guard? Do you mean Rashard Lewis?

Lamar Odom, Richard Jefferson, Marvin Williams, Danny Granger, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Gay, Ron Artest, Gerald Wallace, Carmello Anthony, Mike Dunleavy Jr. , Al Throton, Hedo, Caron butler.

All 1-4 inches taller than Quis and Bell and all 20 pounds bigger.

[ssspence]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

Well, if you prefer someone young and useless -- I'd rather have someone old and useful.

It's irrelevant how good Walker will be 5 years from now -- or even 3 years from now -- he is a rotation player at best, and those are a dime a dozen in the NBA, especially at his position.

one poster said raja bell is better than walker at everything. how about creating his own shot? walker can get to the tin. raja can't dribble a basketball, so he has no choice but to stand around at the 3 point line -- which is fine because he's a pretty effective shooter. he's effective, but limited.

if you think walker won't be good, that's one thing. but to call his future irrelevant in considering a trade for a guy who is a declining defender with no balls skills is not using your melon, particularly when followed with a cliche about 'a dime a dozen at his position' when the guy you want to trade for also plays such a position. raja bell just signed with the spurs for $1M. raja's name is keith bogans.

walker is 10 years younger than bell.  he has the size strength and athleticism to be a very tough match-up in the nba for many years. yes, he needs to stay healthy and work on his jumper. he's still learning the game and that's why sports teams have coaches.

no offense, but i'll maintain my right to consider his potential before i trade the guy. what GM on earth ignores the upside of the players in his trades before making them?

Just a couple things. Of course no GM on earth ignores the upside of the players in a trade before making it. The thing is it's dangerous to get caught up in "upside" because every rookie that enters the league has upside and very often that upside turns into an exit from the NBA or nothing worth keeping.

Also I have no idea where you are coming from talking about Walker possibly being a very tough match up in the NBA for years to come. If anything I think it might be hard for him to fit into a particular position and could potentially run into some dangerous match ups.

so you think because he doesn't play much on the celtics walker can't play? have you ever seen him play other than for the celtics?

i've seen walker play -- live -- in college. he was absolutely dominent both inside and outside. he has tools that can't be taught, and his difficiencies can be taught.

i believe it would be a mistake to give up on him for an end of the rotation guy, particularly when we have a number of players on the roster who can't play much else than 2 and very few players who play the 3. if you've got kedrick brown nightmares that scare you, i can certainly respect that. but walker is not that guy.

[PosImpos]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

? what do you mean? He would guard the opposing teams shooting guards for the most part

Then who does marquis guard?

Their small forward?

At 6-6 200? my question is who is the guy you bring off the bench to guard guys like LeBron or Lamar Odom, bigger SFs. Not saying that Bill Walker is that guy, but I don't see the point in trading him for someone who isn't that guy either.

When their starting SF is in there we won't have Marquis or Billy out there, at least not for very long.

I'm not worried about Marquis defending backup SFs.

[KCattheStripe]

When their starting SF is in there we won't have Marquis or Billy out there, at least not for very long.

I'm not worried about Marquis defending backup SFs.

Neither am I, which is why I don't think it makes sense to trade Walker, Tony Allen and Scals for Bell, whose shooting isn't as good as House's and whose overall abilities aren't as good as Quis and those are the two guys who play his position. If you want to trade Walker, Scals and TA I'm all for it, just so long as it brings back something the team doesn't already have.

[kozlodoev]

i've seen walker play -- live -- in college. he was absolutely dominent both inside and outside. he has tools that can't be taught, and his difficiencies can be taught.

This means absolutely nothing until he actually learns. There is hardly a shortage of dominant college players who never quite made it with the pros.

[kozlodoev]

if you think walker won't be good, that's one thing. but to call his future irrelevant in considering a trade for a guy who is a declining defender with no balls skills is not using your melon, particularly when followed with a cliche about 'a dime a dozen at his position' when the guy you want to trade for also plays such a position. raja bell just signed with the spurs for $1M. raja's name is keith bogans.

Right, so you're trading a guy who might be a rotation player in 3-4 years for a guy that can be a rotation player now. You do realize why this is good for us, right?