Raja Bell!!!

[xmuscularghandix]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

[Jon]

It'd be nice to get him, but there'd really only be room for him or Marquis Daniels in a playoff rotation.  So I certainly don't think it's paramount we land him. 

But it'd be nice for depth and competition.

Don't think we have what it takes though. 

[kozlodoev]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

Well, if you prefer someone young and useless -- I'd rather have someone old and useful.

It's irrelevant how good Walker will be 5 years from now -- or even 3 years from now -- he is a rotation player at best, and those are a dime a dozen in the NBA, especially at his position.

[PosImpos]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has).

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but to be fair, Bill Walker played in 29 games last year and averaged 7.4 mpg.  Pruitt played in 15 games his rookie season and averaged 6.3 mpg.  It wasn't until last season that he played in 47 games and averaged 7.8 minutes. 

Nevertheless, the fact that Bill Walker played more in his rookie season than Gabe Pruitt doesn't say very much about Billy's abilities.

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

Well, if you prefer someone young and useless -- I'd rather have someone old and useful.

It's irrelevant how good Walker will be 5 years from now -- or even 3 years from now -- he is a rotation player at best, and those are a dime a dozen in the NBA, especially at his position.

Two points: I'd rather not have someone who is old and redundant. Bell is 6-5 205, he's not guarding sf's off the bench. We already have our primary wing off the bench in 'Quis for offense. Walker is 6-6 220, which means he's strong enough to be thrown out there with the bigger 3s for 10 minutes a game.

Secondly, you say rotation players are a dime a dozen in the NBA, then why throw away 3 dimes, TA Scal and Bill Walker, to just get one in return?

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

[DinTN]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

We've done some great additions in the off-season. We have a championship window of 2 years. Let's go all-out for this 2 year run.

I'd like to have Raja Bell. He's a former all-defensive team member that could play in limited minutes (like the role he would have). He could be very valuable in the playoffs, for example, to guard Kobe.

This is a real longshot but would like to have both Bell & Antonio Daniels.  

[ssspence]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

Well, if you prefer someone young and useless -- I'd rather have someone old and useful.

It's irrelevant how good Walker will be 5 years from now -- or even 3 years from now -- he is a rotation player at best, and those are a dime a dozen in the NBA, especially at his position.

one poster said raja bell is better than walker at everything. how about creating his own shot? walker can get to the tin. raja can't dribble a basketball, so he has no choice but to stand around at the 3 point line -- which is fine because he's a pretty effective shooter. he's effective, but limited.

if you think walker won't be good, that's one thing. but to call his future irrelevant in considering a trade for a guy who is a declining defender with no balls skills is not using your melon, particularly when followed with a cliche about 'a dime a dozen at his position' when the guy you want to trade for also plays such a position. raja bell just signed with the spurs for $1M. raja's name is keith bogans.

walker is 10 years younger than bell.  he has the size strength and athleticism to be a very tough match-up in the nba for many years. yes, he needs to stay healthy and work on his jumper. he's still learning the game and that's why sports teams have coaches.

no offense, but i'll maintain my right to consider his potential before i trade the guy. what GM on earth ignores the upside of the players in his trades before making them?

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

Well, if you prefer someone young and useless -- I'd rather have someone old and useful.

It's irrelevant how good Walker will be 5 years from now -- or even 3 years from now -- he is a rotation player at best, and those are a dime a dozen in the NBA, especially at his position.

Two points: I'd rather not have someone who is old and redundant. Bell is 6-5 205, he's not guarding sf's off the bench. We already have our primary wing off the bench in 'Quis for offense. Walker is 6-6 220, which means he's strong enough to be thrown out there with the bigger 3s for 10 minutes a game.

Secondly, you say rotation players are a dime a dozen in the NBA, then why throw away 3 dimes, TA Scal and Bill Walker, to just get one in return?

Bell could be used to back up Ray which would allow 'Quis to back up Pierce and maybe a bit at the point. This way 'Quis would only have to backup 2 of the 3 instead of 3 of the 3 (if he really is going to back up rondo at all). People have been talking a lot about reducing the minutes of Pierce and Ray and what better way than to have a solid back up for both of them?

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

[CelticG1]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

On the other hand, there's no telling whether Walker will ever be even as good as Bell is right now. I will give them Tony Allen + their pick from Giddens/Walker, if that's going to do it.

You can tell that he's not in his 30's.

Well, if you prefer someone young and useless -- I'd rather have someone old and useful.

It's irrelevant how good Walker will be 5 years from now -- or even 3 years from now -- he is a rotation player at best, and those are a dime a dozen in the NBA, especially at his position.

one poster said raja bell is better than walker at everything. how about creating his own shot? walker can get to the tin. raja can't dribble a basketball, so he has no choice but to stand around at the 3 point line -- which is fine because he's a pretty effective shooter. he's effective, but limited.

if you think walker won't be good, that's one thing. but to call his future irrelevant in considering a trade for a guy who is a declining defender with no balls skills is not using your melon, particularly when followed with a cliche about 'a dime a dozen at his position' when the guy you want to trade for also plays such a position. raja bell just signed with the spurs for $1M. raja's name is keith bogans.

walker is 10 years younger than bell.  he has the size strength and athleticism to be a very tough match-up in the nba for many years. yes, he needs to stay healthy and work on his jumper. he's still learning the game and that's why sports teams have coaches.

no offense, but i'll maintain my right to consider his potential before i trade the guy. what GM on earth ignores the upside of the players in his trades before making them?

Just a couple things. Of course no GM on earth ignores the upside of the players in a trade before making it. The thing is it's dangerous to get caught up in "upside" because every rookie that enters the league has upside and very often that upside turns into an exit from the NBA or nothing worth keeping.

Also I have no idea where you are coming from talking about Walker possibly being a very tough match up in the NBA for years to come. If anything I think it might be hard for him to fit into a particular position and could potentially run into some dangerous match ups.

[KCattheStripe]

I'd think the one guy they'd want in return would be Walker. and i'm not giving up Walker for him. if they'd take Giddens, fine. but Raja's not what he once was.

Raja  might not be what he "once was" but he is still better than walker at every aspect of the game. I mean, Walker played in about 5 games last year. Even Pruitt was playing more time his rookie year in the league. Is there any basis for wanting to keep Walker that isn't based on potential and athleticism (I can't think of anything else that he does or has). We've had plenty of these type of guys in the past and they have never panned out (kedrick brown, greene, tony etc) so why not get a pretty good role player (at the very least) in return for someone who basically gives you nothing? I actually like Walker and I think that he could be real good. But I also thought that about a lot of other guys and have been wrong with that. The reality is that if Walker ever turned out to even be as good as Raja is now, we would be pretty lucky.

I have no problem holding on to Bill Walker if it means not getting Raja Bell, because I don't see Raja contributing that much to this team. Why trade a potentially good player who you're not going to play for a veteran who is in the twilight of his career whom you're not going to play. That makes no sense to me.

I think bell would contribute to the team and I think Walker will not.

Alright, who does he guard, his one above average skill, when he's in the game?

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VIA Yahoo Sports

The Bobcats Raja Bell continues to be shopped around the league, GM's say. No doubt he'd love to get back to a contender.


COME ON DANNY!!!

Come on Danny is right! Wouldn't it also be sweet to see Raja clothesline Kobe again, but this time in a Celtics uniform?! Lol.

[liam]

VIA Yahoo Sports

The Bobcats Raja Bell continues to be shopped around the league, GM's say. No doubt he'd love to get back to a contender.


COME ON DANNY!!!

Come on Danny is right! Wouldn't it also be sweet to see Raja clothesline Kobe again, but this time in a Celtics uniform?! Lol.

That would be sweet!