Eddie House Expendable?

[guava_wrench]

Although I used Lester Hudson as an example of a possible Eddie House replacement, I never intended for this to be a House vs Hudson comparison thread. My reasoning for using a  Hudson type was to have a young guy, maybe even a rookie, who has similar shooting skills and plays better defense against PG's.
 

As for outside shooting, there are a few guys out there still who can hit the open jumper. Most of them would sign for the minimum which in itself is an asset. Pavlovic for just one example just hit the market and if healthy, is certainly an upgrade over Eddie as a wing shooter by sheer virtue of his size. We can quibble over recent 3pt numbers, but again I think he makes up for them with the perimeter defensive superiority he has over Eddie.


Having Sheed on the roster adds a 3pt weapon we did not have last season. Does anyone really believe he will not get most of the shots Eddie got last season? Posey did the year before if memory serves. Just by virtue of the fact that a big has to come out on him is a value Eddie doesnt possess.


There have been again this year a growing number of people who say we need to add a veteran PG or wing to the roster. I say if we have the space to keep Eddie as strictly a 3pt specialist, sure we do it. If we dont have an upgrade available, we keep him. Just keeping House as our primary backup PG/SG when we have a chance to upgrade the roster spot for less money is not a good move.

You have to analyze players in the context of what their role in on the team. Eddie's job is shooting. His job is not to be a well-rounded do-everything player. This is why there is a fundamental problem comparing him to guys who play better defense, for example, but don't have his shooting prowess.

[Fan from VT]

As others have touched on, I think Eddie House is replaceable/upgradeable, but not expendable. If we got rid of him we'd need not replace his shooting with shooting, or upgrade to a player with shooting/defense or shooting/ballhandling. I think the "expendable" players are Tony, Scal, Giddens, Walker, and probably Davis as long as the other bigs are healthy. And technically, I'd say every other player on the roster is upgradeable.

[2short]

What we have in eddie is a hustle guy who brings instant energy off the bench and is a lights out 3 pt shooter (setting c's mark)
He has limitations but like a true vet, he knows his job/strengths/weaknesses.
Can he be upgraded, yes.  Is he likely with the team in 3 years, not imo.  Eddie isn't the speciman Ray is, as he ages his 1 dimensional game will be hurt.  Is hudson going to outplay him, no way this year, in awhile who knows?  I always thought Pruitt could be a nice combo guard off the bench but he needed to grow a pair.
If we were able to go after Henrich as mentioned eddie would be part of the trade in my world.  Kirk can play both g posistions very well and is a better defender, ball handler, passer.
Love eddie, want him to shoots the lights out again this year as we go for our next championship

[Jon]

Under what circumstances is Lester Hudson even going to get the opportunity to prove he can replace House?  Even if he gets signed (and that's still a big IF), I can't imagine any circumstance other than a wave of injuries that would ever get him on the active roster. 

And even then, he'd have to prove he can do it over an entire season, which isn't going to happen.  Too many rookies hit rookie walls, and this team can't afford for a rookie wall to happen to it, especially if it comes during playoff time. 

[billysan]

Under what circumstances is Lester Hudson even going to get the opportunity to prove he can replace House?  Even if he gets signed (and that's still a big IF), I can't imagine any circumstance other than a wave of injuries that would ever get him on the active roster. 

And even then, he'd have to prove he can do it over an entire season, which isn't going to happen.  Too many rookies hit rookie walls, and this team can't afford for a rookie wall to happen to it, especially if it comes during playoff time. 

You may have missed the context here where Hudson is concerned....it was a player like Hudson, rookie, hungry, who proves himself in camp to have an impressive skillset, that is cheaper and maybe even more versatile. I used Hudson and the example was illustrated as him having a superior (compared to Eddie) defensive ability to cover NBA PG's as well as a decent but not great (again compared to Eddie) jumpshot. Could be this year, could be next, could be whenever that we see this player, doesnt have to be Hudson.


I do agree that my choice of words could have been better and I could have used upgradable instead of expendable. Again, this was never meant as a 'bash Eddie House' thread, but simply a possible scenario where we would replace him and under what circumstances does everyone think that it might happen.

I have been hoping for the past year that J.R Giddens would take his job or at least steal half his minutes because that would mean that we have a solid young guard talent on our hands. That fact that Eddie House, an NBA journeyman combo guard, isnt losing minutes to any of our bench guards, isnt very encouraging with regard to our depth. That will change now to an extent with the addition of Daniels, but likely not enough to cut Ray Allens minutes significantly.

[zerophase]

I love Eddie House for what he does so well, shoot. That alone gives him a place on this team but couple that with his hustle and passion and he is not expendable.

[sully00]

If we can get Kirk Hinrich they can have Eddie and Lester.

Fair or not Doc has been trying to find someone to take Eddie's mins since the minute we signed him.  Whether it was Pruitt, Cassell, or Marbury.  I would guess if Lester can play at all he will also get that chance.

That said I would prefer Eddie House as a 3rd PG than paying Nocoini 7 mil dollars to be Brian Scalabrine.  Were and when would Nocioni play?  Couldn't Bill Walker, Scal or Sheldon cover that 5 mins every other game?

[Mr October]

I don't think Eddie is expendable.  He's proven that he can perform in the playoffs; regardless of how well Hudson plays, I'm not sure that I'd trust him to handle playoff pressure.

Also, I've seen a lot of people talk about Lester Hudson filling "Eddie's role".  Hudson shot 35.5% from three last year, with a shorter college free throw line against vastly inferior competition.  Eddie House shot 44.4% from three.  Eddie's ability to stretch the floor is very, very important, and I have no confidence that Hudson can duplicate that.

In eddie I trust. I rewatched some old Bulls games, and Eddie is our John Paxon / Steve Kerr - an absolute back breaker from the 3.

[Jon]

Under what circumstances is Lester Hudson even going to get the opportunity to prove he can replace House?  Even if he gets signed (and that's still a big IF), I can't imagine any circumstance other than a wave of injuries that would ever get him on the active roster. 

And even then, he'd have to prove he can do it over an entire season, which isn't going to happen.  Too many rookies hit rookie walls, and this team can't afford for a rookie wall to happen to it, especially if it comes during playoff time. 

You may have missed the context here where Hudson is concerned....it was a player like Hudson, rookie, hungry, who proves himself in camp to have an impressive skillset, that is cheaper and maybe even more versatile. I used Hudson and the example was illustrated as him having a superior (compared to Eddie) defensive ability to cover NBA PG's as well as a decent but not great (again compared to Eddie) jumpshot. Could be this year, could be next, could be whenever that we see this player, doesnt have to be Hudson.


I do agree that my choice of words could have been better and I could have used upgradable instead of expendable. Again, this was never meant as a 'bash Eddie House' thread, but simply a possible scenario where we would replace him and under what circumstances does everyone think that it might happen.

I have been hoping for the past year that J.R Giddens would take his job or at least steal half his minutes because that would mean that we have a solid young guard talent on our hands. That fact that Eddie House, an NBA journeyman combo guard, isnt losing minutes to any of our bench guards, isnt very encouraging with regard to our depth. That will change now to an extent with the addition of Daniels, but likely not enough to cut Ray Allens minutes significantly.

I understand.  I'm fine with the C's signing Hudson.  I just hope they treat him like he's a FA.  They shouldn't just give him a contract because he's their draft pick.  He was very close to not getting drafted at all...and there's a reason for that.  If the C's conclude at the end of training camp that he's the best option for the 15th spot, I'm all for it.  But if they think that some vet is even slightly better than him, I'd take the vet.  As you rightly put it, Eddie isn't exactly irreplaceable, and given that Hudson's upside is probably being Eddie House, we certainly aren't going to look back in 2012 and say, "man, I wish we hadn't let Lester Hudson go" in the same way we've said the same about someone like Joe Johnson. 

As for Eddie, sure he's expendable, but we need someone to replace him.  And I think that's more complicated than some think.  Sure, he isn't Dennis Johnson, but he isn't as abysmal of a defender as some make him out to be.  He works hard and usually stays with opposing 1s.  And while it'd be tempting to trade him in a package for someone like Nocioni, I'd question how that'd play out in terms of the rotation.  While Daniels can bring the ball up the court, is he quick enough to guard opposing 1s? 

[Edgar]

to be honest is not easty to find a 3 point spark that is commited to play deffence withing his range
hes very very valuable as much as i hate to see him during his dry seasons.

[yoursweatersux]

to be honest is not easty to find a 3 point spark that is commited to play deffence withing his range
hes very very valuable as much as i hate to see him during his dry seasons.

Agreed. If he's so replaceable show me who'd replace them (realistically, not dreamland trades) and how they could do what he does (spread the floor with his 3 point shooting and hustle on defense).