Eddie House Expendable?

[Roy Hobbs]

Eddie House definitely has an important role on the Celtics. I dont agree he cannot be replaced. From a business standpoint if you have another player who duplicates his role and does it for less money, you replace him.

I agree Eddie is a great guy, but I dont think he is a 'glue guy' that is necessary in the locker room. I know he is a very good 3 pt shooter and can usually be relied upon to score off the bench when you need it. Even having the occaisional 20 pt outburst is good as well.

Eddie is however a problem for the Celtics because of his packaging. He has a PG sized body with a SG quality jump shot.

I think Marquis Daniels will make up for a lot of Eddie's height deficiency.  Eddie will be allowed to play defense against PGs, where he is adequate, and Daniels will cover the 2, while handling the ball and getting the team into its offense. 

As for Hudson, what do we know about him, relative to ball-handling and defense?  He wasn't a "true" point guard, or much of a point guard at all, in college.  He's 6'1" in shoes, so he's not much (if any) taller than House.  He was a pretty good defender in college against vastly inferior competition, but we don't know how that will translate.  He was a poorer shooter in college than Eddie House is in the pros, and is already 25 years old, so he's probably only going to get marginally better from where he is now.

I think, then, that it's important to keep expectations reasonable. 

[cornbreadsmart]

almost every shot i saw hudson take in a youtube video, he'd be benched immediately if he took it on the celtics.

[jdpapa3]

I think it's a myth that House "took less money" to stay in Boston. I highly doubt someone would've paid him over 2.8 million on the open market this summer.

The main things that have kept Eddie in this league are that quick trigger and phenomenal accuracy. We have yet to see if Hudson can be a catch and shoot type of player and that's what we need in this offense. His 3's in college were generally in one on one situations, which makes it impressive that he even shot 35%, and he could be helped or hurt by how he is expected to fit into his role here. Could go either way as I see it. If he can catch and shoot even close to Eddie's level, it will eventually get interesting because he defends a lot better and bigger.

[guava_wrench]

I don't think Eddie is expendable. 

Undersized "shoot first, shoot second" guards are commodities in the NBA.  He's not expendable?

Playoff proven?  I know you are good at citing stats, and maybe they say otherwise, but for House's whole career he's been a notoriously bad clutch/playoff performer.  I remember this distinctly before he even showed up in Boston.


In any case are you saying he's not expendable relative to Hudson?  With that I'd agree.  But "not expendable"?  C'mon now.

He's not expendable with the current options on the market, no.

As for the playoffs, are you forgetting the 2009 postseason?  I don't really need any fancy stats here, just a good memory.  However, as for stats:  he shot 48.6% from three, and 51.9% overall, last year.  He had a couple of huge games for us.  He's not somebody that I'd move readily, although of course he's not untouchable.

That's the best answer. Based on what is available, he isn't expendable.

Sure, if Hudson wins rookie of the year, House is expendable. I would like to see Hudson show he belongs in the NBA before I start talking about who he can replace. There are first round picks that might never contribute. I'm not particularly optimistic about our barely drafted guard, though I wish for the best.

[billysan]

Although I used Lester Hudson as an example of a possible Eddie House replacement, I never intended for this to be a House vs Hudson comparison thread. My reasoning for using a  Hudson type was to have a young guy, maybe even a rookie, who has similar shooting skills and plays better defense against PG's.
 

As for outside shooting, there are a few guys out there still who can hit the open jumper. Most of them would sign for the minimum which in itself is an asset. Pavlovic for just one example just hit the market and if healthy, is certainly an upgrade over Eddie as a wing shooter by sheer virtue of his size. We can quibble over recent 3pt numbers, but again I think he makes up for them with the perimeter defensive superiority he has over Eddie.


Having Sheed on the roster adds a 3pt weapon we did not have last season. Does anyone really believe he will not get most of the shots Eddie got last season? Posey did the year before if memory serves. Just by virtue of the fact that a big has to come out on him is a value Eddie doesnt possess.


There have been again this year a growing number of people who say we need to add a veteran PG or wing to the roster. I say if we have the space to keep Eddie as strictly a 3pt specialist, sure we do it. If we dont have an upgrade available, we keep him. Just keeping House as our primary backup PG/SG when we have a chance to upgrade the roster spot for less money is not a good move.

[makaveli]

Eddie is just great
I can compare him to my old sell phone, I love it, it's cool, usable and I know I can count on it, but I have the new slightly improved sell on the shelf.
And the most important part is that it's old so I can't get a high price on it,well, the price that it's really worth so it's plain logic when I choose to keep it.
Yes I'm a bit drunk and I hope you guys understand What I meant to say 

[Bahku]

Eddie has his faults, and can be hot-and-cold very often, but like Big Baby and Leon, EVERY time he comes on the floor he gives 110%, and that's worth more to me than two other "stars" with attitudes who feel the ball has their name on it. Love Eddie!

[slamtheking]

I don't think he's expendable.  What I consider expendable is someone that is contributing nothing and is taking up a roster spot.   Someone the team should just cut to get rid of them. 

I do think Eddie is upgradeable.  Eddie is pretty much one-dimensional in his contributions.  The C's could get someone more versatile.  I have no problems with Danny using House in a trade if it brings back someone who's better than Eddie.  That would require a package deal needless to say.  Nocioni (with a vet PG coming in with him either in the trade or as a FA) or Hinrich would be players I would gladly move HOuse for.

[billysan]

Nocioni (with a vet PG coming in with him either in the trade or as a FA) or Hinrich would be players I would gladly move HOuse for.

Hinrich is one player I hadnt considered in my 'pretend Eddie is part of an upgrade' scenarios. Love to have him because I think he can effectively play alongside Rondo as a SG as well as backup at the point. The negatives are his contract and it would very likely have to be a 3 for 1 deal to make the money right with us probably giving up a pick as well.

I like my Nocioni and Sergio Rodriguez for TA,Scal,House better.

[slamtheking]

Nocioni (with a vet PG coming in with him either in the trade or as a FA) or Hinrich would be players I would gladly move HOuse for.

Hinrich is one player I hadnt considered in my 'pretend Eddie is part of an upgrade' scenarios. Love to have him because I think he can effectively play alongside Rondo as a SG as well as backup at the point. The negatives are his contract and it would very likely have to be a 3 for 1 deal to make the money right with us probably giving up a pick as well.

I like my Nocioni and Sergio Rodriguez for TA,Scal,House better.

I've advocated for either that Nocioni deal or a deal for Hinrich.  Hinrich's contract is a bit steep but he's productive and versatile.  he'd also provide some experience at PG in the 2nd unit in case Walker or Giddens sees the court.  Hinrich and Daniels would be a good pair to have on the court with one of the sophomores so the youth could learn/develop and not be too exposed by the other team's second unit.  Even without Walker/Giddens on the court, a second unit of Hinrich, Daniels, BBD, Sheed and either Ray or PP would be a very solid and productive unit on the floor.

I'd be happy with either deal if Danny can make one work.

[asterix]

I want to put a scenario out there which also onvolves trading House:
I just read that GSW hasn't been able to trade Stephen Jackson. Now assuming GSW is not willing to take a Scal, TA, Giddens combo (and can you blame them?). How about we keep TA (again, because nobody wants him) and insert House into that trade. GSW may bite... We take on a big salary but get back someone who can play (and defend...) multiple positions. granted he is a 34% 3 point shooter but I think his overall game more than makes up for that.

[Fafnir]

I want to put a scenario out there which also onvolves trading House:
I just read that GSW hasn't been able to trade Stephen Jackson. Now assuming GSW is not willing to take a Scal, TA, Giddens combo (and can you blame them?). How about we keep TA (again, because nobody wants him) and insert House into that trade. GSW may bite... We take on a big salary but get back someone who can play (and defend...) multiple positions. granted he is a 34% 3 point shooter but I think his overall game more than makes up for that.

I don't think Golden State management is going to trade Jackson just for expiring contracts. Which is all Eddie House or Tony would be, its not like they'd be pieces that could help GS long term....

[asterix]

I want to put a scenario out there which also onvolves trading House:
I just read that GSW hasn't been able to trade Stephen Jackson. Now assuming GSW is not willing to take a Scal, TA, Giddens combo (and can you blame them?). How about we keep TA (again, because nobody wants him) and insert House into that trade. GSW may bite... We take on a big salary but get back someone who can play (and defend...) multiple positions. granted he is a 34% 3 point shooter but I think his overall game more than makes up for that.

I don't think Golden State management is going to trade Jackson just for expiring contracts. Which is all Eddie House or Tony would be, its not like they'd be pieces that could help GS long term....

Yeah, you're probably right. But if they would, would you?

[yoursweatersux]

Trading for Hinrich is a pipe dream. He's an extremely underrated player and I'd love to have him, but it just wouldn't happen.

As far as Eddie is concerned, I also think that's he's pretty underrated. I know a lot of people trash him as one-dimensional, but there's a lot of value in having somebody that can do one thing really, really well.

Would I upgrade Eddie if possible? Of course. But I think Eddie has a lot more value than you guys are giving him credit for.

e.g., Eddie for Luther Head is not even close to a good trade.

[slamtheking]

Trading for Hinrich is a pipe dream. He's an extremely underrated player and I'd love to have him, but it just wouldn't happen.

As far as Eddie is concerned, I also think that's he's pretty underrated. I know a lot of people trash him as one-dimensional, but there's a lot of value in having somebody that can do one thing really, really well.

Would I upgrade Eddie if possible? Of course. But I think Eddie has a lot more value than you guys are giving him credit for.

e.g., Eddie for Luther Head is not even close to a good trade.

Hinrich may or may not be a pipedream.  He's a very expensive bench player for Chi right now.  He'd be just as expensive for us if he was here but Chi may want to clear some salary at the end of the year to bring in someone behind Rose for a lot less $.

Not sure where you pulled the Luther Head trade from.  Completely missed that in this thread.