College football 2009

[RebusRankin]

What percentage of players at Texas, Alabama or Florida graduate?

[nickagneta]

BC falls behind big early 21-0 and since then their defense has dominated(though you would never know it listening to the ESPN announcers) and they are now down just 21-13.

[Eja117]

Ok, so let's just double check and get this straight.

Boise St is undefeated and beat the Pac 10 champ (most likely) and they're #6

TCU beat an ACC divisional champ on their home field about 1000 miles from home another ACC team and two ranked teams in their own division.

Both teams win against Div 1 schools this week on the road.

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

Bama beat D2 Chattanooga

Texas is the best of a very weak Big 12, and their one win against a now-ranked team is a team ranked lower than the one Boise St beat

It's pretty clear the top three teams in the country are

1 TCU
2 Boise St
3 Cincy

4 best of a weak SEC
5 Texas

6 Georgia Tech
7 everyone else

[KCattheStripe]

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

A couple of things, if Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game and is undefeated, there is no possible way out can keep the defending champs out of the national title game, I don't care  how much you hate the BCS.

And as far as Ole Miss goes, remember that they were ranked 5 before the preseason and underperformed a little before thrashing Tenn. and just beating LSU. Any tight road loss in the SEC says nothing about a team.

[Atzar]

Ok, so let's just double check and get this straight.

Boise St is undefeated and beat the Pac 10 champ (most likely) and they're #6

TCU beat an ACC divisional champ on their home field about 1000 miles from home another ACC team and two ranked teams in their own division.

Both teams win against Div 1 schools this week on the road.

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

Bama beat D2 Chattanooga

Texas is the best of a very weak Big 12, and their one win against a now-ranked team is a team ranked lower than the one Boise St beat

It's pretty clear the top three teams in the country are

1 TCU
2 Boise St
3 Cincy

4 best of a weak SEC
5 Texas

6 Georgia Tech
7 everyone else

Watch how many SEC players are taken in the draft and then tell me it's 'weak'.  Best of a 'weak SEC' at #4?  Yeah, ok.  Seriously.  Go check out the first three rounds of a few of the mock drafts.  Tell me how many players from Florida, Alabama and LSU are there, and then tell me how many players from your top 3 are there.  I think you'll find that professional scouts like the SEC a lot better than you do.  I'd guess that there's a pretty good reason for that.

You don't rank an undefeated defending champion at anything but #1.  You don't rank an undefeated team with wins against Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU (all were ranked on the day of the game) in the 'everyone else'.  At this point, it's Florida, Bama, and then everybody else. 

The only thing weak about the SEC is its' officiating.

[Eja117]

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

A couple of things, if Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game and is undefeated, there is no possible way out can keep the defending champs out of the national title game, I don't care  how much you hate the BCS.

And as far as Ole Miss goes, remember that they were ranked 5 before the preseason and underperformed a little before thrashing Tenn. and just beating LSU. Any tight road loss in the SEC says nothing about a team.

A road loss to an unranked team in the SEC says nothing about a team?

How about winning? That's what TCU and Boise St have been doing. Against (gasp) ranked teams!

[Eja117]

Ok, so let's just double check and get this straight.

Boise St is undefeated and beat the Pac 10 champ (most likely) and they're #6

TCU beat an ACC divisional champ on their home field about 1000 miles from home another ACC team and two ranked teams in their own division.

Both teams win against Div 1 schools this week on the road.

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

Bama beat D2 Chattanooga

Texas is the best of a very weak Big 12, and their one win against a now-ranked team is a team ranked lower than the one Boise St beat

It's pretty clear the top three teams in the country are

1 TCU
2 Boise St
3 Cincy

4 best of a weak SEC
5 Texas

6 Georgia Tech
7 everyone else

Watch how many SEC players are taken in the draft and then tell me it's 'weak'.  Best of a 'weak SEC' at #4?  Yeah, ok.  Seriously.  Go check out the first three rounds of a few of the mock drafts.  Tell me how many players from Florida, Alabama and LSU are there, and then tell me how many players from your top 3 are there.  I think you'll find that professional scouts like the SEC a lot better than you do.  I'd guess that there's a pretty good reason for that.

You don't rank an undefeated defending champion at anything but #1.  You don't rank an undefeated team with wins against Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU (all were ranked on the day of the game) in the 'everyone else'.  At this point, it's Florida, Bama, and then everybody else. 

The only thing weak about the SEC is its' officiating.

So by that logic they could play a bunch of D2 teams (which is what mighty Bama did today), go undefeated, and they should be ranked #1 and go to the title game?

Why is it asking so much for a defending national champ to beat two or three teams that are ranked at the end of the year?

And yeah I'm sure there will be more guys from Notre Dame and USC that get drafted. Which begs the question....why don't they win?

[KCattheStripe]

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

A couple of things, if Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game and is undefeated, there is no possible way out can keep the defending champs out of the national title game, I don't care  how much you hate the BCS.

And as far as Ole Miss goes, remember that they were ranked 5 before the preseason and underperformed a little before thrashing Tenn. and just beating LSU. Any tight road loss in the SEC says nothing about a team.

A road loss to an unranked team in the SEC says nothing about a team?

How about winning? That's what TCU and Boise St have been doing. Against (gasp) ranked teams!

They're the defending national champions dude, they go undefeated you can't keep'em out.

[Eja117]

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

A couple of things, if Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game and is undefeated, there is no possible way out can keep the defending champs out of the national title game, I don't care  how much you hate the BCS.

And as far as Ole Miss goes, remember that they were ranked 5 before the preseason and underperformed a little before thrashing Tenn. and just beating LSU. Any tight road loss in the SEC says nothing about a team.

A road loss to an unranked team in the SEC says nothing about a team?

How about winning? That's what TCU and Boise St have been doing. Against (gasp) ranked teams!

They're the defending national champions dude, they go undefeated you can't keep'em out.

Sure you can. The BCS routinely keeps the best teams out. They did it last year for example. So true they are the crowned national champs. But Utah was the best team last year by a lot.

[KCattheStripe]

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

A couple of things, if Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game and is undefeated, there is no possible way out can keep the defending champs out of the national title game, I don't care  how much you hate the BCS.

And as far as Ole Miss goes, remember that they were ranked 5 before the preseason and underperformed a little before thrashing Tenn. and just beating LSU. Any tight road loss in the SEC says nothing about a team.

A road loss to an unranked team in the SEC says nothing about a team?

How about winning? That's what TCU and Boise St have been doing. Against (gasp) ranked teams!

They're the defending national champions dude, they go undefeated you can't keep'em out.

Sure you can. The BCS routinely keeps the best teams out. They did it last year for example. So true they are the crowned national champs. But Utah was the best team last year by a lot.

Utah had one fantastic game, doesn't mean they were by far the best team.

[Atzar]

Ok, so let's just double check and get this straight.

Boise St is undefeated and beat the Pac 10 champ (most likely) and they're #6

TCU beat an ACC divisional champ on their home field about 1000 miles from home another ACC team and two ranked teams in their own division.

Both teams win against Div 1 schools this week on the road.

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

Bama beat D2 Chattanooga

Texas is the best of a very weak Big 12, and their one win against a now-ranked team is a team ranked lower than the one Boise St beat

It's pretty clear the top three teams in the country are

1 TCU
2 Boise St
3 Cincy

4 best of a weak SEC
5 Texas

6 Georgia Tech
7 everyone else

Watch how many SEC players are taken in the draft and then tell me it's 'weak'.  Best of a 'weak SEC' at #4?  Yeah, ok.  Seriously.  Go check out the first three rounds of a few of the mock drafts.  Tell me how many players from Florida, Alabama and LSU are there, and then tell me how many players from your top 3 are there.  I think you'll find that professional scouts like the SEC a lot better than you do.  I'd guess that there's a pretty good reason for that.

You don't rank an undefeated defending champion at anything but #1.  You don't rank an undefeated team with wins against Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU (all were ranked on the day of the game) in the 'everyone else'.  At this point, it's Florida, Bama, and then everybody else. 

The only thing weak about the SEC is its' officiating.

So by that logic they could play a bunch of D2 teams (which is what mighty Bama did today), go undefeated, and they should be ranked #1 and go to the title game?

Why is it asking so much for a defending national champ to beat two or three teams that are ranked at the end of the year?

And yeah I'm sure there will be more guys from Notre Dame and USC that get drafted. Which begs the question....why don't they win?

TCU beat Southern Methodist this year.  Clearly they shouldn't be ranked where they are.  Look, you can't penalize a team for winning the games they should win.  It's not fair to do what I just did to TCU, and it's not fair to do what you're trying to do to Florida and Alabama.

I suppose you can prove that Utah was the 'best team by a lot' last year?  They won in a BCS bowl game against a solid Alabama team - I laud them for that.  They still didn't belong in the National Championship game.

[Eja117]

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

A couple of things, if Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game and is undefeated, there is no possible way out can keep the defending champs out of the national title game, I don't care  how much you hate the BCS.

And as far as Ole Miss goes, remember that they were ranked 5 before the preseason and underperformed a little before thrashing Tenn. and just beating LSU. Any tight road loss in the SEC says nothing about a team.

A road loss to an unranked team in the SEC says nothing about a team?

How about winning? That's what TCU and Boise St have been doing. Against (gasp) ranked teams!

They're the defending national champions dude, they go undefeated you can't keep'em out.

Sure you can. The BCS routinely keeps the best teams out. They did it last year for example. So true they are the crowned national champs. But Utah was the best team last year by a lot.

Utah had one fantastic game, doesn't mean they were by far the best team.

Significantly better schedule

[Eja117]

Ok, so let's just double check and get this straight.

Boise St is undefeated and beat the Pac 10 champ (most likely) and they're #6

TCU beat an ACC divisional champ on their home field about 1000 miles from home another ACC team and two ranked teams in their own division.

Both teams win against Div 1 schools this week on the road.

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

Bama beat D2 Chattanooga

Texas is the best of a very weak Big 12, and their one win against a now-ranked team is a team ranked lower than the one Boise St beat

It's pretty clear the top three teams in the country are

1 TCU
2 Boise St
3 Cincy

4 best of a weak SEC
5 Texas

6 Georgia Tech
7 everyone else

Watch how many SEC players are taken in the draft and then tell me it's 'weak'.  Best of a 'weak SEC' at #4?  Yeah, ok.  Seriously.  Go check out the first three rounds of a few of the mock drafts.  Tell me how many players from Florida, Alabama and LSU are there, and then tell me how many players from your top 3 are there.  I think you'll find that professional scouts like the SEC a lot better than you do.  I'd guess that there's a pretty good reason for that.

You don't rank an undefeated defending champion at anything but #1.  You don't rank an undefeated team with wins against Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU (all were ranked on the day of the game) in the 'everyone else'.  At this point, it's Florida, Bama, and then everybody else. 

The only thing weak about the SEC is its' officiating.

So by that logic they could play a bunch of D2 teams (which is what mighty Bama did today), go undefeated, and they should be ranked #1 and go to the title game?

Why is it asking so much for a defending national champ to beat two or three teams that are ranked at the end of the year?

And yeah I'm sure there will be more guys from Notre Dame and USC that get drafted. Which begs the question....why don't they win?

TCU beat Southern Methodist this year.  Clearly they shouldn't be ranked where they are.  Look, you can't penalize a team for winning the games they should win.  It's not fair to do what I just did to TCU, and it's not fair to do what you're trying to do to Florida and Alabama.

I suppose you can prove that Utah was the 'best team by a lot' last year?  They won in a BCS bowl game against a solid Alabama team - I laud them for that.  They still didn't belong in the National Championship game.

But if Bama had beaten Florida then they would have?

[Eja117]

Ok, so let's just double check and get this straight.

Boise St is undefeated and beat the Pac 10 champ (most likely) and they're #6

TCU beat an ACC divisional champ on their home field about 1000 miles from home another ACC team and two ranked teams in their own division.

Both teams win against Div 1 schools this week on the road.

Florida wins at home against mighty Florida International. They're big signature win this year is against LSU that just lost to Ole Miss

Bama beat D2 Chattanooga

Texas is the best of a very weak Big 12, and their one win against a now-ranked team is a team ranked lower than the one Boise St beat

It's pretty clear the top three teams in the country are

1 TCU
2 Boise St
3 Cincy

4 best of a weak SEC
5 Texas

6 Georgia Tech
7 everyone else

Watch how many SEC players are taken in the draft and then tell me it's 'weak'.  Best of a 'weak SEC' at #4?  Yeah, ok.  Seriously.  Go check out the first three rounds of a few of the mock drafts.  Tell me how many players from Florida, Alabama and LSU are there, and then tell me how many players from your top 3 are there.  I think you'll find that professional scouts like the SEC a lot better than you do.  I'd guess that there's a pretty good reason for that.

You don't rank an undefeated defending champion at anything but #1.  You don't rank an undefeated team with wins against Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU (all were ranked on the day of the game) in the 'everyone else'.  At this point, it's Florida, Bama, and then everybody else. 

The only thing weak about the SEC is its' officiating.

So by that logic they could play a bunch of D2 teams (which is what mighty Bama did today), go undefeated, and they should be ranked #1 and go to the title game?

Why is it asking so much for a defending national champ to beat two or three teams that are ranked at the end of the year?

And yeah I'm sure there will be more guys from Notre Dame and USC that get drafted. Which begs the question....why don't they win?

TCU beat Southern Methodist this year.  Clearly they shouldn't be ranked where they are.  Look, you can't penalize a team for winning the games they should win.  It's not fair to do what I just did to TCU, and it's not fair to do what you're trying to do to Florida and Alabama.

I suppose you can prove that Utah was the 'best team by a lot' last year?  They won in a BCS bowl game against a solid Alabama team - I laud them for that.  They still didn't belong in the National Championship game.

The logic that the BCS apologists use is that somehow if a big conference team goes undefeated (and that school's name isn't something like Cincinnati of course) then somehow that team must be the best team in the conference.

Like "If an SEC team goes undefeated then they should automatically be in the BCS championship game" as though somehow it's against the laws of physics for any other team to have gone undefeated in that division or that somehow the SEC is full of superman teams and all the other non-BCS leagues have girls for linemen and amputees for receivers.  Then of course they go to BCS games and get beat. Again and again.

Oklahoma
Bama
Oregon
Oregon (current Pac 10 champ)

at what point does the farce end?

I'm just saying you take the best team with the best schedule that plays the best.

It's not rocket science.

[Atzar]

TCU beat Southern Methodist this year.  Clearly they shouldn't be ranked where they are.  Look, you can't penalize a team for winning the games they should win.  It's not fair to do what I just did to TCU, and it's not fair to do what you're trying to do to Florida and Alabama.

I suppose you can prove that Utah was the 'best team by a lot' last year?  They won in a BCS bowl game against a solid Alabama team - I laud them for that.  They still didn't belong in the National Championship game.

But if Bama had beaten Florida then they would have?

Yep.  Alabama beat (rankings from the date of the game):  #9 Clemson, #3 Georgia, and #16 LSU.  If you add #4 Florida to that, this is unquestionably a championship-worthy resume.  

Utah beat #12 TCU and #14 BYU.  Again, I think they were right where they belonged.