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Re: College football 2009
« Reply #150 on: November 07, 2009, 12:49:34 PM »

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Longhorns offense struggling early against UCF.  They definitely have the defense.  The offense has been very inconsistent this year.  Colt McCoy has looked like he's taken a step back this season.  
I believe that team is wildly over rated. They play a weak ass schedule, in a very weak power conference this year, and they look very ordinary at times.

Their current strengh of schedule rank is 31.  3 spots higher than Alabama.  I don't see anyone saying that Alabama is playing a weak ass schedule.

EDIT:  For clarification purposes, I was going off of CBS sportsline's S.O.S. 
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Re: College football 2009
« Reply #151 on: November 07, 2009, 12:54:31 PM »

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I'm heading to Tuscaloosa, so if you're watching CBS this afternoon, just know that RAcker is in his usual seat in the west stands bringing the noise.

I hope Bama's D shows up better today than the C's showed up last night. 

Roll Tide!

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« Reply #152 on: November 07, 2009, 12:56:36 PM »

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I'm heading to Tuscaloosa, so if you're watching CBS this afternoon, just know that RAcker is in his usual seat in the west stands bringing the noise.

I hope Bama's D shows up better today than the C's showed up last night. 

Roll Tide!

Have fun!


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Re: College football 2009
« Reply #153 on: November 07, 2009, 01:07:13 PM »

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Longhorns offense struggling early against UCF.  They definitely have the defense.  The offense has been very inconsistent this year.  Colt McCoy has looked like he's taken a step back this season.  
I believe that team is wildly over rated. They play a weak ass schedule, in a very weak power conference this year, and they look very ordinary at times.

Their current strengh of schedule rank is 31.  3 spots higher than Alabama.  I don't see anyone saying that Alabama is playing a weak ass schedule.

EDIT:  For clarification purposes, I was going off of CBS sportsline's S.O.S. 

Bama, Texas, Florida, etc are all doing the same thing. They play two or maybe 3 big games, a bunch of middle of the road games, and a bunch of weaklings and then claim to have way stronger schedules than a lot of other teams.

Good luck with Vandy this week Florida. Good luck with might UCF this week Texas. Good luck with Northwestern this week Iowa. Good luck with UConn this week Cincy.

See what I mean?

Re: College football 2009
« Reply #154 on: November 07, 2009, 01:17:25 PM »

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Longhorns offense struggling early against UCF.  They definitely have the defense.  The offense has been very inconsistent this year.  Colt McCoy has looked like he's taken a step back this season.  
I believe that team is wildly over rated. They play a weak ass schedule, in a very weak power conference this year, and they look very ordinary at times.

Their current strengh of schedule rank is 31.  3 spots higher than Alabama.  I don't see anyone saying that Alabama is playing a weak ass schedule.

EDIT:  For clarification purposes, I was going off of CBS sportsline's S.O.S. 

Bama, Texas, Florida, etc are all doing the same thing. They play two or maybe 3 big games, a bunch of middle of the road games, and a bunch of weaklings and then claim to have way stronger schedules than a lot of other teams.

Good luck with Vandy this week Florida. Good luck with might UCF this week Texas. Good luck with Northwestern this week Iowa. Good luck with UConn this week Cincy.

See what I mean?

Well, I don't expect teams like Florida, Texas, Alabama and the such to have "Games of the Century" every week.  There are going to be weeks where they face the dregs of their conference or face one of those less than stellar non-conference foes.

However, I look at Boise State's opponents and they're doing the same thing.  Teams like Utah State, New Mexico State, and such.

If I'm voting, I'm still saying that the quality of play and talent in the major conferences is much greater than what Boise State has faced.  A win against Georgia or Tennessee is going to go farther in my book than a win against Utah State or New Mexico State.  A middle of the road team in the SEC is still a heckuva team if you put them in another conference, IMO.  Middle of the road WAC just doesn't mean the same for me. 
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« Reply #155 on: November 07, 2009, 02:12:48 PM »

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Longhorns offense struggling early against UCF.  They definitely have the defense.  The offense has been very inconsistent this year.  Colt McCoy has looked like he's taken a step back this season.  
I believe that team is wildly over rated. They play a weak ass schedule, in a very weak power conference this year, and they look very ordinary at times.

Their current strengh of schedule rank is 31.  3 spots higher than Alabama.  I don't see anyone saying that Alabama is playing a weak ass schedule.

EDIT:  For clarification purposes, I was going off of CBS sportsline's S.O.S. 

Bama, Texas, Florida, etc are all doing the same thing. They play two or maybe 3 big games, a bunch of middle of the road games, and a bunch of weaklings and then claim to have way stronger schedules than a lot of other teams.

Good luck with Vandy this week Florida. Good luck with might UCF this week Texas. Good luck with Northwestern this week Iowa. Good luck with UConn this week Cincy.

See what I mean?

Well, I don't expect teams like Florida, Texas, Alabama and the such to have "Games of the Century" every week.  There are going to be weeks where they face the dregs of their conference or face one of those less than stellar non-conference foes.

However, I look at Boise State's opponents and they're doing the same thing.  Teams like Utah State, New Mexico State, and such.

If I'm voting, I'm still saying that the quality of play and talent in the major conferences is much greater than what Boise State has faced.  A win against Georgia or Tennessee is going to go farther in my book than a win against Utah State or New Mexico State.  A middle of the road team in the SEC is still a heckuva team if you put them in another conference, IMO.  Middle of the road WAC just doesn't mean the same for me. 
generally speaking I totally agree.

What I don't agree with is this notion that if BSU flies 2000 miles and beats some WAC team by 23 points it's less impressive than if Miss St or Kentucky come to Bama or Florida's front door and barely loses in the last 3 minutes.

Re: College football 2009
« Reply #156 on: November 07, 2009, 02:39:22 PM »

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Wow, Jordan Shipley has 273 yards receiving with 13 minutes to go in the 4th quarter

Also, more importantly, Iowa is losing to Northwestern in the 4th quarter right now.


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Re: College football 2009
« Reply #157 on: November 07, 2009, 02:51:54 PM »

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As an Iowa fan, it is safe to say this season is down the drain. Up 10 early today, then Stanzi hit in the endzone and fumbled, but more importantly, gets hurt and is more than likely done until a bowl game. The backup has shown nothing and its not looking good for the hawks.
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« Reply #158 on: November 07, 2009, 03:02:09 PM »

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And Iowa falls from the rank of the unbeatens.

Can't say I'm too surprised.  That team has been playing with house money for quite some time with these close games.  They seemed bound to lose one of them.


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« Reply #159 on: November 07, 2009, 03:11:40 PM »

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And Iowa falls from the rank of the unbeatens.

Can't say I'm too surprised.  That team has been playing with house money for quite some time with these close games.  They seemed bound to lose one of them.
And for once they started a game out strong. They were set to stomp the WIldcats, up 10 early, then fumbled (along with the injury to STanzi) in the endzone, then the wheels fell off from there.
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« Reply #160 on: November 07, 2009, 03:15:02 PM »

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And Iowa falls from the rank of the unbeatens.

Can't say I'm too surprised.  That team has been playing with house money for quite some time with these close games.  They seemed bound to lose one of them.
And for once they started a game out strong. They were set to stomp the WIldcats, up 10 early, then fumbled (along with the injury to STanzi) in the endzone, then the wheels fell off from there.

The loss of Stanzi seemed deflating.  The tone of the game defintitely changed after that.  Losses like that are tough to take. 


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« Reply #161 on: November 07, 2009, 03:39:23 PM »

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And Iowa falls from the rank of the unbeatens.

Can't say I'm too surprised.  That team has been playing with house money for quite some time with these close games.  They seemed bound to lose one of them.
And for once they started a game out strong. They were set to stomp the WIldcats, up 10 early, then fumbled (along with the injury to STanzi) in the endzone, then the wheels fell off from there.


The loss of Stanzi seemed deflating.  The tone of the game defintitely changed after that.  Losses like that are tough to take. 

Yep, and now the nation can breathe a sigh of relief. While I would have liked to see Iowa compete for a title, I will be realistic and agree that it could have gotten ugly. Hopefully Stanzi is able to come back ASAP, and lead Iowa to a huge, huge upset over OSU.
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« Reply #162 on: November 07, 2009, 03:58:46 PM »

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This article speaks to something a poster was saying last week and to what Roy has been saying for 3 weeks.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

It basically says Boise St has called every good team in the country offering to show up and play any time anywhere, without asking for a return trip to Idaho, but every school in the country is afraid to play them. He's specifically asking for 2011.

So if they won't play them, in 2011 they should automatically be ranked #1 in the preseason, right? I mean if you're afraid of Boise St, it's because you think they're better, right?

And I guess Oregon should be ranked #2 since they're the only ones that will put themselves on the line. Don't expect USC to line up to play Boise St.

No, they shouldn't automatically be ranked #1. Boise State faces a Catch-22.  They play in a below average non-BCS conference and they also play in a system where teams are becoming more reluctant to schedule tough non-conference opponents because of the BCS implications.  For example, playing in the SEC alone amounts to playing two or three "make or break" games a year.  Why make life harder by also scheduling a tough non-BCS team?  Its about bowl payouts, not fearing opponents.  Playing a tough non-conference schedule on top of your conference schedule could mean quite the decrease in bowl revenue coming your way.

Once again, this has nothing about what's going on, on the field. It has everything to do with economics.
Actually Dons, that's not true about the revenue. Conferences share their revenue. Check out my post from earlier:

I have two best friends since childhood. One is a Sports Information Director at an ACC school. The other is an Assistant Athletic Director at a Big 12 school. We were inseparable as kids and when they can get time after the bowls and in the early summer, they come home and we talk shop, shop for them, incessantly over beers at the local tavern or on the links. This BCS conversation is one we talk about ALL THE TIME. The simple fact is this, there isn't a person associated in athletics at a Divsion 1 playing football university in America that doesn't want a playoff system.

Oh, in public they say what they have to say or what they feel will get them in the least amount of trouble, but behind the scenes, there isn't a coach, athletic direct, sports information director or player at a top 40 school that doesn't want a playoff system.

But what the athletes and athletic personnel want and what the deans, presidents, and higher ups that are the power brokers at the university, what the people who run the bowls and parades and festivities associated with the bowls and what the networks want are completely different things. Too many extremely high paying yearly jobs, too much university revenue, too much money is invested in the current structure that getting the people who have the power to elicit change will never happen because there's no guarantee for those people that the monet stream will continue if everything is changed.

Don't forget how the conference money structure works for bowls. If a team from a conference makes a bowl the payout for that bowl does not go directly to the team. It goes into a fund that then is divided among all the teams in the conference.

Take the SEC for instance. They are guaranteed the Sugar bowl for the champ if the champ isn't in the National championship game. They will most likely also get an at large BCS team as well this year. They also have guaranteed births to the Music City Bowl, the Independence Bowl, the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, the Outback Bowl, the Capital One bowl, the PapaJohns.com Bowl, the Cotton Bowl and the Liberty Bowl. But even if they don't get an at large BCS berth they still have 8 guaranteed slots every year. Look at the money they get:

Sugar Bowl   $17,000,000
Music City Bowl   $1,6000,000
Independence Bowl   $1,100,000
Chick-Fil-A Bowl   $2,400,000
Outback Bowl    $3,000,000
Capital One Bowl   $4,250,000
PapaJohns.com Bowl   $300,000
Cotton Bowl   $3,000,000
Liberty Bowl   $1,500,000

So without getting and at large BCS berth the SEC conference with 12 teams is guaranteed to split up, at a minimum, $34.15 million every year. Now take into consideration that in the 11 year BCS history the SEC has gotten an at large bid 6 time and probably will again this year. So 60% of the time the SEC is making around about $15,000,000 more or a total, due to bowls of about $50 million or more than $4 million per school. whether they go to a bowl or not.

No way the SEC university presidents decide to shut off that money stream just to properly crown a champion. And it's the same in the ACC, Big 10, Big East, Big 12 and Pac 10.

You see, the teams in power conferences not wanting to schedule a Boise State has nothing to do with bowl money revenue. All that money is shared in larger power conferences. But it does have everything to do with a couple of other things:

1.) Reciprocation of having to travel to Boise to play a game where the travel costs can get excessive.

2.) The wear and tear of the players themselves who would suffer trying to win a national title if a team scheduled three out of conference foes like Houston, Boise State and another power conference team. The competition in the power conferences is usually so tough that teams need to schedule weaker foes for easy victories.

3.) The perception of BSU being a weak team and having a loss to them look like a bad loss. The advantages of beating a BSU as an out of conference foe just does not outweigh the disadvantages of losing to a BSU in the fickle minds of some of the obviously power conference biased voters. The BCS is great and all but the main part of it still mainly depends upon getting votes in most of the different polls and averaging it all out. Many voters look at a win over a BSU as a supposed foregone conclusion that should have happened to a power conference team and a loss as a really bad upset. In this important manner, it just doesn't pay to schedule them.

Re: College football 2009
« Reply #163 on: November 07, 2009, 04:11:48 PM »

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Actually Dons, that's not true about the revenue. Conferences share their revenue. Check out my post from earlier . . .
You see, the teams in power conferences not wanting to schedule a Boise State has nothing to do with bowl money revenue. All that money is shared in larger power conferences. But it does have everything to do with a couple of other things:

Actually, nick, the SEC (for instance) doesn't distribute its revenue evenly.  Florida was given an extra $2.4 million for playing in the national championship, for instance.  Also, teams make a ton of money off of BCS licensing (Florida made more than $4 million, for instance.)

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Re: College football 2009
« Reply #164 on: November 07, 2009, 04:24:54 PM »

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Actually Dons, that's not true about the revenue. Conferences share their revenue. Check out my post from earlier . . .
You see, the teams in power conferences not wanting to schedule a Boise State has nothing to do with bowl money revenue. All that money is shared in larger power conferences. But it does have everything to do with a couple of other things:

Actually, nick, the SEC (for instance) doesn't distribute its revenue evenly.  Florida was given an extra $2.4 million for playing in the national championship, for instance.  Also, teams make a ton of money off of BCS licensing (Florida made more than $4 million, for instance.)
But it is the rule of thumb in most conferences Roy. So Florida instead of getting $4 million on an evenly distributed conference payout got an extra $2.4 million for winning the championship. But they did not get $17 million did they?

What I am trying to say is that scheduling based on thinking, which is the way that Dons post seemed, that if they go to the BCS they get $17 million and if they go to the papjohns.com bowl they get $330K is wrong. It doesn't work that way. Sure, there are definitely financial concerns that go into scheduling based on total incoming possibilities, but they aren't nearly as huge a consideration for the larger teams in the power conferences as is the goal of scheduling a schedule that would lead towards an easier road to a championship.