TA to Denver idea

[jambr380]

Does anyone else worry that we will have Tony Allen on our team forever? Like, there is a chance he will always be here- and we may have to create threads on how to trade him for eternity...

Poor guy, he went from Mr. Potential to Mr. Least Wanted Player in the NBA...hopefully he can get on to a club next year for the minimum and become a rotation player again- it just won't be here...

[mgent]

As I've said all summer, what I'd like to see Danny do is to sell Tony Allen to a team below the salary cap. Give them TA + $3 million just to get him off the C's payroll.

The other team likely waives TA and makes $500k for a day's paperwork, while Boston gets TA's contract off their luxury tax bill and saves about $2 million while opening up a roster spot for another player should they choose to sign another player.

Two reasons why I wouldn't do that:
1.  Tony already knows the system and I think he has more potential than any FA, he just doesn't have a great chance of reaching that potential.  But it really doesn't matter because we don't really don't have minutes for him on anyone else (unless he for some reason looks good this season).  So if it's not gonna hurt us, I'd rather gamble on him than anyone else who'd be willing to sign with us.
2.  We'd end up getting absolutely nothing for him, whereas if we wait until February at least there's a chance we'll get something.
In conclusion, I don't think it would make sense to get rid of him for 2 million dollars, unless you show me a FA willing to sign that is gonna be ready to contribute as part of the rotation.

[Who]

As I've said all summer, what I'd like to see Danny do is to sell Tony Allen to a team below the salary cap. Give them TA + $3 million just to get him off the C's payroll.

The other team likely waives TA and makes $500k for a day's paperwork, while Boston gets TA's contract off their luxury tax bill and saves about $2 million while opening up a roster spot for another player should they choose to sign another player.

Two reasons why I wouldn't do that:
1.  Tony already knows the system and I think he has more potential than any FA, he just doesn't have a great chance of reaching that potential.  But it really doesn't matter because we don't really don't have minutes for him on anyone else (unless he for some reason looks good this season).  So if it's not gonna hurt us, I'd rather gamble on him than anyone else who'd be willing to sign with us.
2.  We'd end up getting absolutely nothing for him, whereas if we wait until February at least there's a chance we'll get something.
In conclusion, I don't think it would make sense to get rid of him for 2 million dollars, unless you show me a FA willing to sign that is gonna be ready to contribute as part of the rotation.

#1 Ime Udoka
#2 Keith Bogans

They'd be my choices for the roster spot.

[mgent]

As I've said all summer, what I'd like to see Danny do is to sell Tony Allen to a team below the salary cap. Give them TA + $3 million just to get him off the C's payroll.

The other team likely waives TA and makes $500k for a day's paperwork, while Boston gets TA's contract off their luxury tax bill and saves about $2 million while opening up a roster spot for another player should they choose to sign another player.

Two reasons why I wouldn't do that:
1.  Tony already knows the system and I think he has more potential than any FA, he just doesn't have a great chance of reaching that potential.  But it really doesn't matter because we don't really don't have minutes for him on anyone else (unless he for some reason looks good this season).  So if it's not gonna hurt us, I'd rather gamble on him than anyone else who'd be willing to sign with us.
2.  We'd end up getting absolutely nothing for him, whereas if we wait until February at least there's a chance we'll get something.
In conclusion, I don't think it would make sense to get rid of him for 2 million dollars, unless you show me a FA willing to sign that is gonna be ready to contribute as part of the rotation.

#1 Ime Udoka
#2 Keith Bogans

They'd be my choices for the roster spot.

I was a fan of signing Udoka, but I think he, like Daniels, is a little undersized to be Pierce's true backup.
I guess the real question is, why hasn't Danny signed him?

[lon3lytoaster]

As I've said all summer, what I'd like to see Danny do is to sell Tony Allen to a team below the salary cap. Give them TA + $3 million just to get him off the C's payroll.

The other team likely waives TA and makes $500k for a day's paperwork, while Boston gets TA's contract off their luxury tax bill and saves about $2 million while opening up a roster spot for another player should they choose to sign another player.

Two reasons why I wouldn't do that:
1.  Tony already knows the system and I think he has more potential than any FA, he just doesn't have a great chance of reaching that potential.  But it really doesn't matter because we don't really don't have minutes for him on anyone else (unless he for some reason looks good this season).  So if it's not gonna hurt us, I'd rather gamble on him than anyone else who'd be willing to sign with us.
2.  We'd end up getting absolutely nothing for him, whereas if we wait until February at least there's a chance we'll get something.
In conclusion, I don't think it would make sense to get rid of him for 2 million dollars, unless you show me a FA willing to sign that is gonna be ready to contribute as part of the rotation.

#1 Ime Udoka
#2 Keith Bogans

They'd be my choices for the roster spot.

I was a fan of signing Udoka, but I think he, like Daniels, is a little undersized to be Pierce's true backup.
I guess the real question is, why hasn't Danny signed him?

Udoka? I know some people wanted him over Posey (Or just didn't think of Posey) when we were building the team after the KG deal. Truth is, he came on strong with Portland but has fallen off the map with San Antonio. Just hasn't really shown what he did back in Portland.

Plus, like meantioned he's too small to really be an adequate backup for Pierce.

[Fafnir]

As I've said all summer, what I'd like to see Danny do is to sell Tony Allen to a team below the salary cap. Give them TA + $3 million just to get him off the C's payroll.

The other team likely waives TA and makes $500k for a day's paperwork, while Boston gets TA's contract off their luxury tax bill and saves about $2 million while opening up a roster spot for another player should they choose to sign another player.

The team makes 500k but loses the amount of salary cap space for Tony's deal, 2.5 million.

That space could be more valuable at the deadline to facilitate a deal, I don't think any of the teams currently below the cap would agree to such a deal for that reason.

I disagree -- Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma all have cap space and I think at least one of them would be interested in making that type of deal ... although, it will be harder now than it was two months ago.

* Memphis won't have cap space if they sign Iverson.

Why would they do it for just 500k when they could potential get future first round draft picks with their cap space at the deadline? Or a legit player even?

Kurt Thomas was sold with two first round picks from the Suns, that is the sort of deal that taking Tony Allen's salary could ruin for those teams. So no way do they do that deal right now.

[lon3lytoaster]

The problem with the "Kurt Thomas Scenario" is that you'd almost certainly have to be dealing with Phoenix to get that kind of deal. A solid roleplayer and 2 firsts for a no name second rounder? That deal isn't going to be offered unless you are dealing with Phoenix.

[liam]

The Mavericks are pursuing two-for-one trades, with Nathan Jawai and Shawne Williams? Tony allen anyone?

[Lucky17]

The Mavericks are pursuing two-for-one trades, with Nathan Jawai and Shawne Williams? Tony allen anyone?

Doesn't help us personnel-wise, and Tony's expiring contract is a chip that should net a lot more come February.

[liam]

The Mavericks are pursuing two-for-one trades, with Nathan Jawai and Shawne Williams? Tony allen anyone?

Doesn't help us personnel-wise, and Tony's expiring contract is a chip that should net a lot more come February.

Shawne Williams is a long (6'9") athletic small forward who would be perfect coming off our bench.

[Lucky17]

The Mavericks are pursuing two-for-one trades, with Nathan Jawai and Shawne Williams? Tony allen anyone?

Doesn't help us personnel-wise, and Tony's expiring contract is a chip that should net a lot more come February.

Shawne Williams is a long (6'9") athletic small forward who would be perfect coming off our bench.

Why would he be perfect coming off the bench? He's another of these uber-athletes that lacks basketball IQ.

I'd would much rather have a veteran that can play defense and plays within the game than a high-flier with a questionable entourage.

[liam]

The Mavericks are pursuing two-for-one trades, with Nathan Jawai and Shawne Williams? Tony allen anyone?

Doesn't help us personnel-wise, and Tony's expiring contract is a chip that should net a lot more come February.

Shawne Williams is a long (6'9") athletic small forward who would be perfect coming off our bench.

Why would he be perfect coming off the bench? He's another of these uber-athletes that lacks basketball IQ.

I'd would much rather have a veteran that can play defense and plays within the game than a high-flier with a questionable entourage.

He would help us match up with some of these young uber-athletes that have given us trouble in the past. It might just be that I so want to lose TA.

[nickagneta]

I think if you asked Danny and he decided to be truly honest about it, I think he is more in thinking with Dallas and is out searching for a 2 for 1 deal for the Celtics with the two players being a combination of Tony, Scal, JR, and Walker. Of course, as that article stated, most teams aren't looking to expand their rosters at this point and most might be carrying only 13-14 players due to the uncertain economic times.

I would think it more likely for Danny to trade a player for a non-guaranteed contract and then cut that player to save money and go with only 13 players than I would for him to trade Scal or Tony for two young end of the bench players.

[Fafnir]

The problem with the "Kurt Thomas Scenario" is that you'd almost certainly have to be dealing with Phoenix to get that kind of deal. A solid roleplayer and 2 firsts for a no name second rounder? That deal isn't going to be offered unless you are dealing with Phoenix.

Plenty of other teams have taken on salary and gotten good assets for it. Sometimes that asset is the salary. San Antonio got Richard Jefferson. Other times the asset and the salary are two different things, Kurt Thomas and the two picks.

These sort of deals are rather common, and by taking on Tony's cap they could ruin such a deal.

[slamtheking]

The Mavericks are pursuing two-for-one trades, with Nathan Jawai and Shawne Williams? Tony allen anyone?

Doesn't help us personnel-wise, and Tony's expiring contract is a chip that should net a lot more come February.

Shawne Williams is a long (6'9") athletic small forward who would be perfect coming off our bench.

Why would he be perfect coming off the bench? He's another of these uber-athletes that lacks basketball IQ.

I'd would much rather have a veteran that can play defense and plays within the game than a high-flier with a questionable entourage.

He would help us match up with some of these young uber-athletes that have given us trouble in the past. It might just be that I so want to lose TA.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here---if Williams would be that much of an asset, why isn't Dallas keeping or playing him?