Your Move NFL (Favre's Illegal Block)

[indeedproceed]

The Preseason game shouldnt matter in penalties, but it does matter in public percetion of whether or not a play is a cheap shot.  Again I go back to Pete Rose in the all star game.  His play was legal but it ended the catchers Career.  So everybody sees it as a cheap shot.

This play was not legal and plays like that are specifically banned because of how dangerous they are to players.  I really dont think it should effect his penalty but it does effect whether or not I see it as cheap. 

And Redz dont we all know that games arent the same.  things fly in playoff games or in the NBA the last 30 seconds of the game that wouldnt fly in other situations so I dont think you can completely discount the exhibition aspect.  I think the situation matters. 

Oddly enough I would bet you $1,000 that any NFL player in private would agree that no suspension was necessary.

Motive is everything here. Was it a retaliation? Was it intentionally painful, or was it an honest mistake? By 'honest mistake I don't mean 'i got hammered and stole your care then crashed it', I mean as in "I meant to throw the baseball over the house, but I accidentally broke a window"

In both cases they gotta pay for the damage, but only one of them goes to jail.

Brett Farve payed his debt to society, he cost his team 15 yards in a preseason game.  

Actually I'm not sure motive matters as much as bottom line. Otherwise anybody could always just say "but I didn't mean to"

Farve is like the main character in Albert Camus' L'etranger (The Stranger). I read that even before George W Bush made it popular. Farve and that guy....two Frenchies that should get what they deserve.

I'm assuming that everyone here is into French existentialist novels of course

lol..Im going to pointedly ignore the 'les tranger' (I said it with a 'nettickut Texan accent) just because we flat out don't have the time.

Lookin at the way Farve came in, how he went about the block, I think he knew he screwed up as soon as he made contact, but I don't think he meant it. I'm not a football film patholigist though, but its just my opinion. I have been chop blocked before many times, and I've seeen teammates and opponents try to pull that junk off before, and that factors into my op. I don't really like the play, but if it wasn't intentional, he really shouldn't be suspended just because we all find the media's obsession with him annoying.

[crownsy]

Suspension for an illegal block? I sure hope not.  Might as well be flag football.

why are the rules different for an offensive player?

the league made it crystal clear that if as a defender, you go for the knees, its a suspension (brady rule)

Watch the play again. Farve makes contact from his left shoulder to the defender's left thigh. The injury occurs while farve rolls, instead of extends into his man. I would assume you never played football, (no offense intended) and apaologies if you have, but there is a legal way to block someone the way Farve wanted to. What Farve did was take the lazy way. He rolled into his man which force his load down and into the knees. This will always crumple the defender, and it will sometimes cripple them.

It wasn't a dirty play in my mind though. I twas a lazy play.

As far as it not being "whats good for the goose is good for the other 21 positions on the field", QB is the most valuable postion in football, and it is maybe the most demanding position in all sports. There are probably 25 guys in the world that can throw and read at the level Farve does, and the league is better when the passing game is clicking, so its in their interest to protect QB 1

I have played football, I was an offensive lineman and a chop block to your knees on a player not looking has been, and will always bee a dirty play. That's why he was flagged for a personal foul.

Crack blocks below the waist are knee killing injuries, they are, to the best of my knowledge, a 15 yard foul at all levels of competition.

It doesn't matter if he meant to hit his thigh, that's a dirty play. Your told not to do it as a high school freshman for the very reason that happened in this video, it is way to easy to hurt the man who is running full speed not looking at you.

Sorry indeed, but i question if you've played football, crack backs below the waste will start fist fights at practice and draw flags in games because it's a incredibly dangerous block that often leads to some of the worst knee injuries in the sport. You are simply not allowed to throw a block below the knees outside the tackles like that, both by the rulebook and by common sense.

Hitting a guy that way with both of you going full speed is almost a guaranteed Knee sprain. Thus, why any block below the waste must be made in the box between the tackles and no more than 5 yards down field, before you start to get up to full speed.

[Birdbrain]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

He sure didn't set it for wins. 

Bledsoe threw for a ton of yards too. Doesn't make him HOF. Or even one of the best

You just compared Bledsoe to Farve.  Sorry not in the same galaxy. 

[Birdbrain]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

Ya cause Jordan cost his team in so many big situations When I think Jordan I think the anticlutch

anti clutch I see.... or don't actually.

[crownsy]

Again I think there was intent there.  Listen to Wilson's postgame.  He thought it was a cheap shot. 

Of course he was annoyed, but even in private he wouldn't ask for suspension.

You know why? because he knows, next time someone on his team picks off an interception, and he's gotta take out a 6'2 running back that runs a 4.3 40, that he's not gonna have the option of sticking him in the pads either. He's gonna chop block him, and he doesn't want a probable suspension over his head if he's 3-4 inches lower on the POI.

He's gotta chop because its the only way a lesser, weaker, less agile and slower athlete can legally block someone who jsut outclasses them. If you don't think I'm right, watch half backs when DE's come around a corner. They don't stick them straight up.

If he chop blocked a man below the waste in the open field, he'd also be assessed a 15 yard penalty, as farve was.

What you have described above is illegal for him to do, as is what farve was doing. you cannot hit a player below waist like that outside of the tackles without first engaging them (thats why backs can chop block on passing downs, they are in the box.)

if you engage a defender and then try to drop and get his thigh, thats fine. if you just fire yourself like a missile below the waist at full speed, you'll be seeing a yellow hanky.

[Rondo2287]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

Ya cause Jordan cost his team in so many big situations When I think Jordan I think the anticlutch

anti clutch I see.... or don't actually.

Brett Favre has been blowing games in clutch situations for the past decade.  Exactly why he never has made it back to the superbowl.  And why he has thrown over 20 picks in his last ten playoff games.  AKA anticlutch.  Or he does not perform well in the most important situations.

 And I dont know I think Bledsoe and Favre are pretty a pretty fair comparison.  At the end of the day both will have their numbers but when you actually watch the games you see how they cost their teams. 

[crownsy]

I'm not that harsh on him rondo, i think he's top ten all time, but you can not be in my top 5 if you also hold both the regular season and playoff interception records by a mile, i'll give you that.

Also, again, i don't think brett had any intent to injure here, but that was a blatant cheap shot, wheather it was because he was to lazy to actually block or just didn't care and i thought i'd point it out.

 and i just think it's funny that the NFL protection machine has such a double standard when it comes to offensive players and im interested in seeing where they will go with this.

Football jesus strikes again.

[Birdbrain]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

Ya cause Jordan cost his team in so many big situations When I think Jordan I think the anticlutch

anti clutch I see.... or don't actually.

Brett Favre has been blowing games in clutch situations for the past decade.  Exactly why he never has made it back to the superbowl.  And why he has thrown over 20 picks in his last ten playoff games.  AKA anticlutch.  Or he does not perform well in the most important situations.

 And I dont know I think Bledsoe and Favre are pretty a pretty fair comparison.  At the end of the day both will have their numbers but when you actually watch the games you see how they cost their teams. 

Stats or wins no comparison so I'm not sure how you could even come to that conclusion.  Compare him to someone that hasn't missed a game his entire career.

You think he's top 10 all time.. well of course he is.  He's in the argument for the best of all time.

[crownsy]

nearly as overrated a selling point as it was in baseball. Interesting stuff, but luck stats don't impress me.

again, he's in my top ten, if i had to write it out, he'd probably be 9th or 10th, but he's far to flawed a QB to make the top of my list, that's all.

[Birdbrain]

nearly as overrated a selling point as it was in baseball. Interesting stuff, but luck stats don't impress me.

again, he's in my top ten, if i had to write it out, he'd probably be 9th or 10th, but he's far to flawed a QB to make the top of my list, that's all.

What the heck are luck stats?  Sounds like someone that's making a case for something they want to be true rather than having any facts to back it up.  Sorry any conversation for the best QB of all time has Favre in it.

I'm not even a big fan of his but, the blatant misinformation that some of you are spewing sort of set me off.

If playing every game in the NFL is overrated well then we should probably end the discussion right here.

[Rondo2287]

During Both of their primes their stats are definitely comparable.  

And at least Bledsoe had the guts to take a back seat to a QB that gave his team a better chance to win.  But Favre's ego and "Gonna get mine," attitude would never go for that with Clemmons at the end of last season

[Birdbrain]

During Both of their primes their stats are definitely comparable.  

And at least Bledsoe had the guts to take a back seat to a QB that gave his team a better chance to win.  But Favre's ego and "Gonna get mine," attitude would never go for that with Clemmons at the end of last season

You must listen to sports talk radio a lot?

Bledsoe had the guts to be benched... Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.udge?  He sat because he was bledsoe.

[Rondo2287]

Bledsoe took a backseat to both Brady and Romo when their teams had a better chance to win without him starting.  Favre should have been benched as many of his teamates said.  There is a reason why the Jets players didnt want him back...

And if you think Favre would take the demotion as gracefully as Bledsoe your sorely mistaken. 

[indeedproceed]

Chop blocks below the knee are absolutely not illegal. Crackback blocks are almost never called, but most times they're called in context of where the ball is snapped than in the open field. Chops between the waste and knee (but where the knee starts is much discussion, most refs call it even slightly above the knee) are 100% legal, and its not only within the tackles.

Bear rolls, leg whips, and chop blocks below the knee are always illegal, and that's what he did. He hit low, and he rolled, but he looked more lazy than he did malicious to me.

When I played, which wasn't that long ago (relatively speaking...relative to moses), it was aim for the hips, with the understanding that you're gonna hit slightly lower, but almost never illegal.

However the most I watch the play the dirtier it seems, as it looks like Farve intitiates the roll long before he even makes contact. It does look pretty awful actually, it looks like he never really meant it to be an honest hit, as in he never wanted to risk his shoulders, so he starts a roll way earlier.

I swear I definitly remember playing football for like 10 or 11 years, I got t-shirts and letterman jackets and hitch in my walk (from an illegal chop block, or so I tell people) and everything.

[Birdbrain]

Bledsoe took a backseat to both Brady and Romo when their teams had a better chance to win without him starting.  Favre should have been benched as many of his teamates said.  There is a reason why the Jets players didnt want him back...

And if you think Favre would take the demotion as gracefully as Bledsoe your sorely mistaken. 

Of course he wouldn't because he's one of the best of all time not drew bledsoe.