Your Move NFL (Favre's Illegal Block)

[GroverTheClover]

nearly as overrated a selling point as it was in baseball. Interesting stuff, but luck stats don't impress me.

again, he's in my top ten, if i had to write it out, he'd probably be 9th or 10th, but he's far to flawed a QB to make the top of my list, that's all.

What the heck are luck stats?  Sounds like someone that's making a case for something they want to be true rather than having any facts to back it up.  Sorry any conversation for the best QB of all time has Favre in it.

I'm not even a big fan of his but, the blatant misinformation that some of you are spewing sort of set me off.

If playing every game in the NFL is overrated well then we should probably end the discussion right here.

Not getting injured in a collision game like football or even a light contact one like baseball is luck, not toughness.

You held up the never missing a game thing like its some intrinsic good of football jesus, and it should wash out some of the flaws that keep him off the top of my list. It's not, its pure luck.

Is brett tough? sure, i bet he's a hell of a warrior, i don't have a question in my mind about his pain tolerance.

Does the fact he was lucky enough to never have his ankle or shoulder landed on the wrong way by a fat ol' linemen like myself impress me?

not in the slightest.

Also, how in the hell do you figure i acted like he wasen't in the best QB of all time discussion, i told you i had him in the low end of my top ten list of all time.

But if your asking me if there's a spot for him ahead of:

1. montana
2. Unitas
3. elway
4. marino
5. brady
6. bradshaw
7. Manning
8. young
9.staubuch
10. brett

Then my answer is no, he's too inconsistent, and costs his team to many games when he gambles. It still means he's in the top 10 of all time with me, which is pretty darn good.

And indeed, i didn't mean to annoy ya man, just pointing out that i did indeed play football, which ya told me i didn't, no offense intended brother, you know i love ya

I think his pain killer abuse might have something to do with his "pain tolerance".

[Redz]

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. will now stand for What The Farve

[budMovin]

Guy just needs to go away.

[angryguy77]

nearly as overrated a selling point as it was in baseball. Interesting stuff, but luck stats don't impress me.

again, he's in my top ten, if i had to write it out, he'd probably be 9th or 10th, but he's far to flawed a QB to make the top of my list, that's all.

What the heck are luck stats?  Sounds like someone that's making a case for something they want to be true rather than having any facts to back it up.  Sorry any conversation for the best QB of all time has Favre in it.

I'm not even a big fan of his but, the blatant misinformation that some of you are spewing sort of set me off.

If playing every game in the NFL is overrated well then we should probably end the discussion right here.

Not getting injured in a collision game like football or even a light contact one like baseball is luck, not toughness.

You held up the never missing a game thing like its some intrinsic good of football jesus, and it should wash out some of the flaws that keep him off the top of my list. It's not, its pure luck.

Is brett tough? sure, i bet he's a hell of a warrior, i don't have a question in my mind about his pain tolerance.

Does the fact he was lucky enough to never have his ankle or shoulder landed on the wrong way by a fat ol' linemen like myself impress me?

not in the slightest.

Also, how in the hell do you figure i acted like he wasen't in the best QB of all time discussion, i told you i had him in the low end of my top ten list of all time.

But if your asking me if there's a spot for him ahead of:

1. montana
2. Unitas
3. elway
4. marino
5. brady
6. bradshaw
7. Manning
8. young
9.staubuch
10. brett

Then my answer is no, he's too inconsistent, and costs his team to many games when he gambles. It still means he's in the top 10 of all time with me, which is pretty darn good.

And indeed, i didn't mean to annoy ya man, just pointing out that i did indeed play football, which ya told me i didn't, no offense intended brother, you know i love ya

ok you have just made the case that you have not watched more than one game he's played. And I will guess that game was in jan of 97 which would explain a lot of the hate on this board.
 You know why he hasn't missed a game??? Because he knows how to get the hell out of the way and avoid season ending hits(cough cough Brady). This converstation is very close to people that say "Jordan was so great because of the team he had around him". Or "Boston won all its rings under red because the league wasn't that good at the time". I may not be the most objective guy when it comes to this subject but I'm not going try and legitamize my argument by brushing cold hard facts to the side either. Hate the guy all you want and call him "overated" all you want. But at the end of the day he has the ring, and the stats that go with it.
You can talk about the chokes and how he cost them games. But at least he never had an undefeated team lose in the SB to a wildcard.

 I watched the guy his entire career and I can tell you that for every int he threw he made up for it 10 fold.  He didnt eclips Marino by being "lucky" and "overrated".

[indeedproceed]

You think he's a better passer than Marino?

[angryguy77]

You think he's a better passer than Marino?

I think they are two very diffent types of qbs. Marino was a more precise and had a better deep ball, but I would give the nod to Favre in almost every other catagory. And thats not taking anything away from marino. Put Marino on the SF teams of the 80's and he does just as well as montana.

[indeedproceed]

So would you say they were equal, and just systems guys, or was Farve a better player?

[indeedproceed]

So would you say they were equal, and just systems guys, or was Farve a better player?

I don't mean "just systems guys", they're both HOF'ers, but i mean do you think their skill sets were different, but their talents were equal

[crownsy]

nearly as overrated a selling point as it was in baseball. Interesting stuff, but luck stats don't impress me.

again, he's in my top ten, if i had to write it out, he'd probably be 9th or 10th, but he's far to flawed a QB to make the top of my list, that's all.

What the heck are luck stats?  Sounds like someone that's making a case for something they want to be true rather than having any facts to back it up.  Sorry any conversation for the best QB of all time has Favre in it.

I'm not even a big fan of his but, the blatant misinformation that some of you are spewing sort of set me off.

If playing every game in the NFL is overrated well then we should probably end the discussion right here.

Not getting injured in a collision game like football or even a light contact one like baseball is luck, not toughness.

You held up the never missing a game thing like its some intrinsic good of football jesus, and it should wash out some of the flaws that keep him off the top of my list. It's not, its pure luck.

Is brett tough? sure, i bet he's a hell of a warrior, i don't have a question in my mind about his pain tolerance.

Does the fact he was lucky enough to never have his ankle or shoulder landed on the wrong way by a fat ol' linemen like myself impress me?

not in the slightest.

Also, how in the hell do you figure i acted like he wasen't in the best QB of all time discussion, i told you i had him in the low end of my top ten list of all time.

But if your asking me if there's a spot for him ahead of:

1. montana
2. Unitas
3. elway
4. marino
5. brady
6. bradshaw
7. Manning
8. young
9.staubuch
10. brett

Then my answer is no, he's too inconsistent, and costs his team to many games when he gambles. It still means he's in the top 10 of all time with me, which is pretty darn good.

And indeed, i didn't mean to annoy ya man, just pointing out that i did indeed play football, which ya told me i didn't, no offense intended brother, you know i love ya

ok you have just made the case that you have not watched more than one game he's played. And I will guess that game was in jan of 97 which would explain a lot of the hate on this board.
 You know why he hasn't missed a game??? Because he knows how to get the hell out of the way and avoid season ending hits(cough cough Brady). This converstation is very close to people that say "Jordan was so great because of the team he had around him". Or "Boston won all its rings under red because the league wasn't that good at the time". I may not be the most objective guy when it comes to this subject but I'm not going try and legitamize my argument by brushing cold hard facts to the side either. Hate the guy all you want and call him "overated" all you want. But at the end of the day he has the ring, and the stats that go with it.
You can talk about the chokes and how he cost them games. But at least he never had an undefeated team lose in the SB to a wildcard.

 I watched the guy his entire career and I can tell you that for every int he threw he made up for it 10 fold.  He didnt eclips Marino by being "lucky" and "overrated".

right, i have the audacity not to bow down to the herd and laud him as one of the top 3 QB's of all time so i must hate him.

I hate him so much i have him in my top ten list of all QB's ever to play the game. 

[Rondo2287]

what do you think would happen if Brady threw nothing but interceptions for the next 10 years?  Think he'd still be HOF material? Do you think people would still say he was a top 10 QB?

Cause that's Brett minus the 2 other rings and the undefeated regular season, but plus the tremendous(ly insulting) man love from the ESPNs of the world

I think this is a really interesting idea.  Because you kinda had something like this with Big Papi earlier this year.  You have a guy that like Favre and Brady has meant more than anybody else to the Red Sox franchise in recent memory.  Except this year when he was hitting .180 although we were cheering for him to do well but at the same time people were calling in to sports radio and exploring trades to replace him and the Terry ended up benching him and moving him down in the order. 

This makes me think that if Brady came out and underperformed to the extent of Favre or Papi(but for a much longer period time), he would not only not be a HOFer but not receive the good will in Boston that Favre Received not only in Green Bay but all over the country.  Im not sure if its because we are used to winning here now, or just expect greatness out of our great players but I couldnt see Brady getting the Favre free pass.  I know I would always appreciate Brady for what he has done, but I also dont want to live in the past and I want my team to win today. 

Im not sure why Favre has gotten the free pass in Green Bay for all those years, maybe they have no problem living in the past.  Maybe they have battered "Favre" syndrome and think that Favres struggling is their fault and have to support him no matter what.  Maybe they have low self esteem and think that he is just the best that they can get, I dont know.  I do know however that if something like that were to happen in Boston where we care about our sports in the past as well as in the present and future this kind of thing wouldnt happen. 



The Four Stages of Battered "Favre" Syndrome

Denial: The Fan refuses to admit--even to him/herself--that he/she has been subjected to inferrior football playing/ability/decisions or that there is a "problem" with his/her Quarterback. He/she may call each incident an act of "Gunslinging". He/she offers excuses for his/her Quarterbacks Interceptions and each time firmly believes it will never happen again.

Guilt: He/she now acknowledges there is a problem, but considers him/herself responsible for it. He/she "deserves" to be subjected to inferrior football playing/ability/decisions, he/she feels, because he/she has defects in his/her fandom and is not living up to his/her quarterback's expectations of blind faith of his/her quarterbacks ability. 

Enlightenment: The fan no longer assumes responsibility for his/her quarterbacks Inferrior football playing/ability/decisions, recognizing that no one "deserves" to be subjected to watching Favre on a weekly basis. He/she is still committed to her team, though, and stays with her Quarterback, hoping they can work things out.

Responsibility: Accepting the fact that his/her husband will not, or can not, stop his Inferrior football playing/ability/decisions, the "Favre'd" fan decides he/she will no longer submit to it and starts a new life with a new team.


This is probably the best things I have ever written here or anywhere else. 

[Fafnir]

1. montana
2. Unitas
3. elway
4. marino
5. brady
6. bradshaw
7. Manning
8. young
9.staubuch
10. brett

I like the list overall, but you really put him ahead of Bart Starr? Farve is only the second best QB in Packers history.

[crownsy]

1. montana
2. Unitas
3. elway
4. marino
5. brady
6. bradshaw
7. Manning
8. young
9.staubuch
10. brett

I like the list overall, but you really put him ahead of Bart Starr? Farve is only the second best QB in Packers history.

ya...i could probably move staubuch off and replace him with starr or move brett up one and put starr tenth...heck maybe even play around with where young is.

Only my top 7 are really set in stone i suppose.

[Birdbrain]

what do you think would happen if Brady threw nothing but interceptions for the next 10 years?  Think he'd still be HOF material? Do you think people would still say he was a top 10 QB?

Cause that's Brett minus the 2 other rings and the undefeated regular season, but plus the tremendous(ly insulting) man love from the ESPNs of the world

I think this is a really interesting idea.  Because you kinda had something like this with Big Papi earlier this year.  You have a guy that like Favre and Brady has meant more than anybody else to the Red Sox franchise in recent memory.  Except this year when he was hitting .180 although we were cheering for him to do well but at the same time people were calling in to sports radio and exploring trades to replace him and the Terry ended up benching him and moving him down in the order. 

This makes me think that if Brady came out and underperformed to the extent of Favre or Papi(but for a much longer period time), he would not only not be a HOFer but not receive the good will in Boston that Favre Received not only in Green Bay but all over the country.  Im not sure if its because we are used to winning here now, or just expect greatness out of our great players but I couldnt see Brady getting the Favre free pass.  I know I would always appreciate Brady for what he has done, but I also dont want to live in the past and I want my team to win today. 

Im not sure why Favre has gotten the free pass in Green Bay for all those years, maybe they have no problem living in the past.  Maybe they have battered "Favre" syndrome and think that Favres struggling is their fault and have to support him no matter what.  Maybe they have low self esteem and think that he is just the best that they can get, I dont know.  I do know however that if something like that were to happen in Boston where we care about our sports in the past as well as in the present and future this kind of thing wouldnt happen. 



The Four Stages of Battered "Favre" Syndrome

Denial: The Fan refuses to admit--even to him/herself--that he/she has been subjected to inferrior football playing/ability/decisions or that there is a "problem" with his/her Quarterback. He/she may call each incident an act of "Gunslinging". He/she offers excuses for his/her Quarterbacks Interceptions and each time firmly believes it will never happen again.

Guilt: He/she now acknowledges there is a problem, but considers him/herself responsible for it. He/she "deserves" to be subjected to inferrior football playing/ability/decisions, he/she feels, because he/she has defects in his/her fandom and is not living up to his/her quarterback's expectations of blind faith of his/her quarterbacks ability. 

Enlightenment: The fan no longer assumes responsibility for his/her quarterbacks Inferrior football playing/ability/decisions, recognizing that no one "deserves" to be subjected to watching Favre on a weekly basis. He/she is still committed to her team, though, and stays with her Quarterback, hoping they can work things out.

Responsibility: Accepting the fact that his/her husband will not, or can not, stop his Inferrior football playing/ability/decisions, the "Favre'd" fan decides he/she will no longer submit to it and starts a new life with a new team.


This is probably the best things I have ever written here or anywhere else. 

Really?  You earlier compared Favre to Bledsoe so you have a bookend to this post.

[Rondo2287]

Hey man you cant deny anything in there.

[Birdbrain]

I'm not sure how someone can have Marino so high and Favre so low.  They had about the same amount of talent around them (some might argue marino had more ) and stats but, Marino's team got smoked in the SB.


It seems counterintuitive to me.