Your Move NFL (Favre's Illegal Block)

[Eja117]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going to but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

[indeedproceed]

So is it a dangerous way to play defense that puts not only himself but the other player in physical danger?

No but I wouldn't say its sporting. He literally holds his hand in front of his man's face. He's not playing the ball. That's unsporting, and cheap...

and its freakin brilliant.

What Farve did was he Roger Dorn'd that block. That's it. Whenever Shaq comes down on an opponent's ankle is it a cheap shot? No, because he's a huge freakin guy and its hard to know where his feet are gonna land. Could he try harder? Sure, but we live with it. We don't suspend him for it. Farve whiffed on a block because he didn't extend and opted to roll.

It was a lazy football play, it wasn't even a real chop block. Watch a Broncos game, those things are ruthless. I tore my ACL and MCL and ATT and MCI and CCR once..not while I was playing against the broncos, or anything, but it hurt and it was because of a lazy chop block. If he would've done it right, nobody would've got hurt, and Farve would be getting praised as a "savvy veteran" with an "insatiable love for the game" and a "fan of quotations". Now, by being lazy he looks like a jerk.

BTW..every time during a kickoff return, players collide with the force of a 25 MPH car crash. When tackling a full speed 200 lbs running back from a stationary position, for the defensive player its like a pedestrian getting hit by a car. NFL players have dementia and the laws of physics to worry about, I think Brett Farve gettin lazy on a legit crackback block (as on one that is just clean enough that the announcer goes "wow look at (blocking player's) determination! What a hit!" instead of "Wow, what a scummer!") is pretty far down on things they care about.

[Rondo2287]

OK ,but the fact of the matter is that you got hurt on a lazy chop block.  You are saying that Favre's play was lazy,but it is nonetheless against the rules because of how dangerous the play can be.  We may disagree on whether or not he intended to block like he did but you can't argue the result which is a very dangerous football play.  He put somebody elses career in danger during by breaking a rule that is set in place to keep players safe during an exhibition game.  That is why I believe he should be suspended

[Redz]

OK ,but the fact of the matter is that you got hurt on a lazy chop block.  You are saying that Favre's play was lazy,but it is nonetheless against the rules because of how dangerous the play can be.  We may disagree on whether or not he intended to block like he did but you can't argue the result which is a very dangerous football play.  He put somebody elses career in danger during by breaking a rule that is set in place to keep players safe during an exhibition game.  That is why I believe he should be suspended

This part, officially, has to be moot. If they start handing out stiffer penalties for plays made in exhibition games than they do for regular season games, then then need to stop playing the preseason games altogether.  He received a 15 yard penalty.

There, are certainly some "unwritten rules" about preseason ball, but the penalty - suspension, fine, whatever - has to be the same as it is for any other similar infraction.

[Rondo2287]

The Preseason game shouldnt matter in penalties, but it does matter in public percetion of whether or not a play is a cheap shot.  Again I go back to Pete Rose in the all star game.  His play was legal but it ended the catchers Career.  So everybody sees it as a cheap shot.

This play was not legal and plays like that are specifically banned because of how dangerous they are to players.  I really dont think it should effect his penalty but it does effect whether or not I see it as cheap. 

And Redz dont we all know that games arent the same.  things fly in playoff games or in the NBA the last 30 seconds of the game that wouldnt fly in other situations so I dont think you can completely discount the exhibition aspect.  I think the situation matters. 

[Birdbrain]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

[Rondo2287]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

Ya cause Jordan cost his team in so many big situations When I think Jordan I think the anticlutch

[Redz]

The Preseason game shouldnt matter in penalties, but it does matter in public percetion of whether or not a play is a cheap shot.  Again I go back to Pete Rose in the all star game.  His play was legal but it ended the catchers Career.  So everybody sees it as a cheap shot.

This play was not legal and plays like that are specifically banned because of how dangerous they are to players.  I really dont think it should effect his penalty but it does effect whether or not I see it as cheap. 

And Redz dont we all know that games arent the same.  things fly in playoff games or in the NBA the last 30 seconds of the game that wouldnt fly in other situations so I dont think you can completely discount the exhibition aspect.  I think the situation matters. 

As you said, I think it matters more in the respect of peers and fans category, not so much in the way the NFL offices will react.

[indeedproceed]

The Preseason game shouldnt matter in penalties, but it does matter in public percetion of whether or not a play is a cheap shot.  Again I go back to Pete Rose in the all star game.  His play was legal but it ended the catchers Career.  So everybody sees it as a cheap shot.

This play was not legal and plays like that are specifically banned because of how dangerous they are to players.  I really dont think it should effect his penalty but it does effect whether or not I see it as cheap. 

And Redz dont we all know that games arent the same.  things fly in playoff games or in the NBA the last 30 seconds of the game that wouldnt fly in other situations so I dont think you can completely discount the exhibition aspect.  I think the situation matters. 

Oddly enough I would bet you $1,000 that any NFL player in private would agree that no suspension was necessary.

Motive is everything here. Was it a retaliation? Was it intentionally painful, or was it an honest mistake? By 'honest mistake I don't mean 'i got hammered and stole your care then crashed it', I mean as in "I meant to throw the baseball over the house, but I accidentally broke a window"

In both cases they gotta pay for the damage, but only one of them goes to jail.

Brett Farve payed his debt to society, he cost his team 15 yards in a preseason game.  

[Rondo2287]

Again I think there was intent there.  Listen to Wilson's postgame.  He thought it was a cheap shot. 

[Redz]

The Preseason game shouldnt matter in penalties, but it does matter in public percetion of whether or not a play is a cheap shot.  Again I go back to Pete Rose in the all star game.  His play was legal but it ended the catchers Career.  So everybody sees it as a cheap shot.

This play was not legal and plays like that are specifically banned because of how dangerous they are to players.  I really dont think it should effect his penalty but it does effect whether or not I see it as cheap. 

And Redz dont we all know that games arent the same.  things fly in playoff games or in the NBA the last 30 seconds of the game that wouldnt fly in other situations so I dont think you can completely discount the exhibition aspect.  I think the situation matters. 

Oddly enough I would bet you $1,000 that any NFL player in private would agree that no suspension was necessary.

Motive is everything here. Was it a retaliation? Was it intentionally painful, or was it an honest mistake? By 'honest mistake I don't mean 'i got hammered and stole your care then crashed it', I mean as in "I meant to throw the baseball over the house, but I accidentally broke a window"

In both cases they gotta pay for the damage, but only one of them goes to jail.

Brett Farve payed his debt to society, he cost his team 15 yards in a preseason game.  

yuppers

[Rondo2287]

As I said, Wilson didnt seem to pleased. 

[Eja117]

I heard Brett Farve allegedly cancelled Christmas too.

He was going too but a defensive back intercepted his speech. So he rewrote it, but that was intercepted too.

Was that after he set the record for TDs, Yards, consecutive games started.. etc etc etc.?

I read some of these comments about Favre and they remind of Kobe kids putting down Jordan...

He sure didn't set it for wins. 

Bledsoe threw for a ton of yards too. Doesn't make him HOF. Or even one of the best

[Eja117]

The Preseason game shouldnt matter in penalties, but it does matter in public percetion of whether or not a play is a cheap shot.  Again I go back to Pete Rose in the all star game.  His play was legal but it ended the catchers Career.  So everybody sees it as a cheap shot.

This play was not legal and plays like that are specifically banned because of how dangerous they are to players.  I really dont think it should effect his penalty but it does effect whether or not I see it as cheap. 

And Redz dont we all know that games arent the same.  things fly in playoff games or in the NBA the last 30 seconds of the game that wouldnt fly in other situations so I dont think you can completely discount the exhibition aspect.  I think the situation matters. 

Oddly enough I would bet you $1,000 that any NFL player in private would agree that no suspension was necessary.

Motive is everything here. Was it a retaliation? Was it intentionally painful, or was it an honest mistake? By 'honest mistake I don't mean 'i got hammered and stole your care then crashed it', I mean as in "I meant to throw the baseball over the house, but I accidentally broke a window"

In both cases they gotta pay for the damage, but only one of them goes to jail.

Brett Farve payed his debt to society, he cost his team 15 yards in a preseason game.  

Actually I'm not sure motive matters as much as bottom line. Otherwise anybody could always just say "but I didn't mean to"

Farve is like the main character in Albert Camus' L'etranger (The Stranger). I read that even before George W Bush made it popular. Farve and that guy....two Frenchies that should get what they deserve.

I'm assuming that everyone here is into French existentialist novels of course

[indeedproceed]

Again I think there was intent there.  Listen to Wilson's postgame.  He thought it was a cheap shot. 

Of course he was annoyed, but even in private he wouldn't ask for suspension.

You know why? because he knows, next time someone on his team picks off an interception, and he's gotta take out a 6'2 running back that runs a 4.3 40, that he's not gonna have the option of sticking him in the pads either. He's gonna chop block him, and he doesn't want a probable suspension over his head if he's 3-4 inches lower on the POI.

He's gotta chop because its the only way a lesser, weaker, less agile and slower athlete can legally block someone who jsut outclasses them. If you don't think I'm right, watch half backs when DE's come around a corner. They don't stick them straight up.