Brent Barry a possibility?

[Schupac]

I like brent barry but another point guard who isn't quite a point guard is NOT what we need.

People already expect Eddie House and Marquis Daniels to back up Rondo... I'm not comfortable with that, but the solution isn't another off-guard.  We need either a pure PG, or to bite the bullet and get a backup SF who can give some minutes (even if they aren't that quality).

[Celtic]

If he was here he would be a SF not a PG, and we don't need a backup SF that can't defend.

[Jon]

Plus, does anyone expect the Spurs to have a different take on Tony Allen than the Pacers had?

[TradeProposalDude]

Um, the Barry's hate the Celtics.

Rick hated the Celtics. This is well documented.
Jon Barry didn't suit up for us despite being drafted a Celtic.

What makes you think Brent would want to come here?

[RAcker]

According to Hoopshype and Houston Chronicle, Brent Barry is being shopped. He only makes 2 mil a year, expiring contract, etc. Not sure what Houston is wanting(hoping anything). So send them Tony and a draft pick and call it a day. He can play PG more often, not a great defender, but long enough to play 3 positions and hit the 3 back to back. Get em, Danny.

I'd deal Tony for Brent Barry. Or his dad, for that matter. Or his mother.

Lovely woman, heart of gold. I heard her Turkey Pot Pie is to die for.

What about her Salmon Pot Pie?   

[ssspence]

Brent to the Clips, Mardy Collins to the Cs, TA and a 2nd round pick to the Rockets.

[2short]

Um, the Barry's hate the Celtics.

Rick hated the Celtics. This is well documented.
Jon Barry didn't suit up for us despite being drafted a Celtic.

What makes you think Brent would want to come here?

which is why i wouldn't want him on team
rick was a cry baby and jon (jon?) was too good for the c's?
no thanks
at this point I wouldn't get rid of ta just to get rid of him , of course I would love to package him for a good backup pg but he can still help (a bit     )

[the_Bird]

Brent to the Clips, Mardy Collins to the Cs, TA and a 2nd round pick to the Rockets.

What's the motivation for Houston?  We've seen in the past few weeks exactly how little value TA has in the league, and any second-rounder we offer is almost certainly going to be in the mid- to high-50s (unless we horribly underperform expectations).  If you substituted in "Tony Allen and Lester Hudson for Brent Barry," do you think Houston would bite?

[hpantazo]

Um, the Barry's hate the Celtics.

Rick hated the Celtics. This is well documented.
Jon Barry didn't suit up for us despite being drafted a Celtic.

What makes you think Brent would want to come here?

that's a good point, I remember that. Why is it that they hate the celtics though?

[ssspence]

Brent to the Clips, Mardy Collins to the Cs, TA and a 2nd round pick to the Rockets.

What's the motivation for Houston?  We've seen in the past few weeks exactly how little value TA has in the league, and any second-rounder we offer is almost certainly going to be in the mid- to high-50s (unless we horribly underperform expectations).  If you substituted in "Tony Allen and Lester Hudson for Brent Barry," do you think Houston would bite?

it's three limited bench guys trading places. houston likes defense -- TA can play it. morey's a former Cs guy, maybe he recalls the stronger performances of TA past.

houston bought three 2nd round picks this year, so do i think it's possible they'd take TA and the equivalent of Hudson for Barry? yeah i do. other than salary relief, what are they really going to get for the guy? if that's what they want, they'll trade with memphis or OKC. if not, they're not going to get much value for barry.

[liam]

If you can get Brent Barry for Tony Allen that's a no brainer, like Tony Allen.

[RAcker]

If you can get Brent Barry for Tony Allen that's a no brainer, like Tony Allen.

[guava_wrench]

Brent to the Clips, Mardy Collins to the Cs, TA and a 2nd round pick to the Rockets.

What's the motivation for Houston?  We've seen in the past few weeks exactly how little value TA has in the league, and any second-rounder we offer is almost certainly going to be in the mid- to high-50s (unless we horribly underperform expectations).  If you substituted in "Tony Allen and Lester Hudson for Brent Barry," do you think Houston would bite?

I think Hudson has no value to an NBA team at the moment.

[the_Bird]

Brent to the Clips, Mardy Collins to the Cs, TA and a 2nd round pick to the Rockets.

What's the motivation for Houston?  We've seen in the past few weeks exactly how little value TA has in the league, and any second-rounder we offer is almost certainly going to be in the mid- to high-50s (unless we horribly underperform expectations).  If you substituted in "Tony Allen and Lester Hudson for Brent Barry," do you think Houston would bite?

I think Hudson has no value to an NBA team at the moment.

My point exactly.  Our second round draft picks - whether for 2010 or the guy we just selected - aren't going to do ANYTHING to help facilitate a trade.  Might as well propose a trade of Tony Allen and the rights to Ben Pepper.

If you're going to trade Tony Allen, it's going to have to be for:

1. A player who's an even bigger nutjob than TA
2. A player who's marginally better, but has a bad contract that extends through 2011 or 2012 (not expiring-for-expiring)
3. A player who has physically threatened both the coach AND the general manager

A second-round pick from is is not going to be enough of a sweetener to get ANYTHING of value.  MAYBE if you toss in Giddens or Walker, although I doubt it.  You could probably package TA and a highly protected 1st rounder, but would you really do that?

As to the whole "Morey likes guys who play D, TA can play D" argument....  the prototypical Daryl Morey player has got to be Shane Battier.  Plays great D, but really just an uber-intelligent player who does does pretty much everything right.   

Is there a player in the league who's less Battier-esque than Tony Allen?  Z-Bo, maybe?  Q-Rich?  Who else?  There aren't that many who play dumber; Tony Allen might not be starting for the "Anti-Battier All-Stars," but he's at least the first guy off the bench.

EDIT: Note, too, that two of the three teams mentioned are the Grizz and the Thunder, who could both take Barry aboard and give up essentially zero compensation (a heavily protected 2nd rounder).  If Houston dumps Barry, it'll be because they are just shedding as much unnecessary salary as possible in a Yao-free, rebuiling/retooling (but still taxpaying) year.  They're also expected to sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a (non-guaranteed) contract, which adds up to 17 players for 15 roster spots.  Sum that all up - they aren't taking ANY players back.

[Jon]

Brent to the Clips, Mardy Collins to the Cs, TA and a 2nd round pick to the Rockets.

What's the motivation for Houston?  We've seen in the past few weeks exactly how little value TA has in the league, and any second-rounder we offer is almost certainly going to be in the mid- to high-50s (unless we horribly underperform expectations).  If you substituted in "Tony Allen and Lester Hudson for Brent Barry," do you think Houston would bite?

I think Hudson has no value to an NBA team at the moment.

My point exactly.  Our second round draft picks - whether for 2010 or the guy we just selected - aren't going to do ANYTHING to help facilitate a trade.  Might as well propose a trade of Tony Allen and the rights to Ben Pepper.

If you're going to trade Tony Allen, it's going to have to be for:

1. A player who's an even bigger nutjob than TA
2. A player who's marginally better, but has a bad contract that extends through 2011 or 2012 (not expiring-for-expiring)
3. A player who has physically threatened both the coach AND the general manager

A second-round pick from is is not going to be enough of a sweetener to get ANYTHING of value.  MAYBE if you toss in Giddens or Walker, although I doubt it.  You could probably package TA and a highly protected 1st rounder, but would you really do that?

As to the whole "Morey likes guys who play D, TA can play D" argument....  the prototypical Daryl Morey player has got to be Shane Battier.  Plays great D, but really just an uber-intelligent player who does does pretty much everything right.   

Is there a player in the league who's less Battier-esque than Tony Allen?  Z-Bo, maybe?  Q-Rich?  Who else?  There aren't that many who play dumber; Tony Allen might not be starting for the "Anti-Battier All-Stars," but he's at least the first guy off the bench.

EDIT: Note, too, that two of the three teams mentioned are the Grizz and the Thunder, who could both take Barry aboard and give up essentially zero compensation (a heavily protected 2nd rounder).  If Houston dumps Barry, it'll be because they are just shedding as much unnecessary salary as possible in a Yao-free, rebuiling/retooling (but still taxpaying) year.  They're also expected to sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a (non-guaranteed) contract, which adds up to 17 players for 15 roster spots.  Sum that all up - they aren't taking ANY players back.

How dare you challenge the value of quantity by evoking that silly premise of quality!  Don't you know that the system to evaluate all trades comes down a pickup game of 2 on 1 or 3 on 1?  For instance, in a game of 3 on 1, three 2nd round picks could beat LeBron by himself.  Thus, three future 2nd round picks (and maybe some expiring contracts) is more than fair compensation for the Cavs so that the C's can acquire LeBron.