Bowen is 38!

[Chris]

I posted the reality check for two reasons:

1) A lot of posts were out there claiming, in effect, that if we signed Bowen it was all over.

2) Because there are other options, and we should not put on the blinders.

If we are looking for scoring, he is flat out not our man.

If we are looking for defense, Udoka put up better +/- and oponent PER numbers at the same position for the same team.

If we are looking to give Pierce a break on the defensive end, he is not our man - small forwards in the East will eat him alive.

In other words, if Bowen cannot help in any real way, why do we want him over guys like Udoka, Carney, Wafer, Bogans, Mason, Szczerbiak, Giddens or Walker?

Amen brother.  I dont get the fans love for Bowen at all.  Have they watched this guy the last 3 years?

This IS NOT the same Bruce Bowen from the early 2000s.  Not even close.

You drafted Giddens and Walker for a reason.  Let them play!  I will say it again.  Look how Powe and Gomes developed with minutes.

Well, the reason I am clamoring for Bowen is because I did see Walker and Giddens play, and have zero confidence they can be on the floor without significantly hurting the team.  I also have seen Bowen play recently, and while he isn't what he used to be, he is still a very smart, and tough player who can hit the 3, and I would feel much more comfortable having him as an option in case of injury, rather than just Walker and Giddens, or most any other guy out there (Udoka is the only other one I really like...Wafer, Carney, Bogans, Mason, and Szerbiak do not give us the same insurance).

[Jon]

Stay away from Bowen. 

what 12th man that's currently available do you want over him that we have a realistic shot at getting for the minimum?

Why even spend time on the 12th man?  Cmon really now. We are talking about the 12th man.  Not the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th or 11th but the 12th man.  I mean the 12th man.

Youth my friend, youth.

But you act like we have tons of studs on the bench that are rotting away.  The Celtics had zero depth at the 2/3 spot last year and Giddens and Walker still couldn't find a way to play meaningful minutes.  While I'd like to think they'll amount to something, it's quite possible that both are out of the league in a few years.  I certainly wouldn't look to rely on these guys.

As for Bowen, I agree he's not what he used to be, but he is a guy who can come into the game, hit the open three, and play the type of team defense that Tom T. expects. 

And if it's a minimum deal, who cares?  If Giddens and Walker are as good as you think they are, one of them should beat out Bowen anyway. 

[crownsy]

Stay away from Bowen. 

what 12th man that's currently available do you want over him that we have a realistic shot at getting for the minimum?

Why even spend time on the 12th man?  Cmon really now. We are talking about the 12th man.  Not the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th or 11th but the 12th man.  I mean the 12th man.

Youth my friend, youth.

youth doesn't win. youth makes alot of mistakes in short minutes. 2nd rounder youth, in particular, is an awful idea to rely on for a championship team if injuries occur.


The hype for bill walker and GR giddeons on this blog is beyond ridiculous. for every decent bench player drafted in that round (see BBD and powe) there are 20 guys chosen that don't have squat, and scrub out.

those two apparently don't have enough talent, right now, to crack our bench rotation last year when we had a ton of injuries, so why this unending optimism that doc is keeping a potential 6th man of the year or heck, even just solid contributor down out of some spite for youth?


It reminds me of all the hype for gabe pruitt, when he couldn't even take minutes away from eddie house at back up point. Gabe was a scrub, now he's gone.

We are trying to win a championship right now, not see if danny hit on a long shot in the second round. He may have, he might not have. IF he did, eventually those two will show something in practce/ NBDL/ summerleague that makes doc sit up and take notice. Clearly they aren't if we are pushing this hard to sign vets.

It never ceases to amaze how posters on this blog have a better read on a kid's potential and usefulness in the rotation form seeing him in garbage time and summer league over the coaching staff that sees them on a daily basis ad neasum. 

[jv2764]

I posted the reality check for two reasons:

1) A lot of posts were out there claiming, in effect, that if we signed Bowen it was all over.

2) Because there are other options, and we should not put on the blinders.

If we are looking for scoring, he is flat out not our man.

If we are looking for defense, Udoka put up better +/- and oponent PER numbers at the same position for the same team.

If we are looking to give Pierce a break on the defensive end, he is not our man - small forwards in the East will eat him alive.

In other words, if Bowen cannot help in any real way, why do we want him over guys like Udoka, Carney, Wafer, Bogans, Mason, Szczerbiak, Giddens or Walker?

Amen brother.  I dont get the fans love for Bowen at all.  Have they watched this guy the last 3 years?

This IS NOT the same Bruce Bowen from the early 2000s.  Not even close.

You drafted Giddens and Walker for a reason.  Let them play!  I will say it again.  Look how Powe and Gomes developed with minutes.

Well, the reason I am clamoring for Bowen is because I did see Walker and Giddens play, and have zero confidence they can be on the floor without significantly hurting the team.  I also have seen Bowen play recently, and while he isn't what he used to be, he is still a very smart, and tough player who can hit the 3, and I would feel much more comfortable having him as an option in case of injury, rather than just Walker and Giddens, or most any other guy out there (Udoka is the only other one I really like...Wafer, Carney, Bogans, Mason, and Szerbiak do not give us the same insurance).

Doc didnt play the Giddens or Walker hardly at all last year.  You have not seen them play with consistent miunutes unless you are watching the practices.  I much rather have Walker or Giddens playing ahead of Bowen at this point in Bowen's career.

[jv2764]

Stay away from Bowen. 

what 12th man that's currently available do you want over him that we have a realistic shot at getting for the minimum?

Why even spend time on the 12th man?  Cmon really now. We are talking about the 12th man.  Not the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th or 11th but the 12th man.  I mean the 12th man.

Youth my friend, youth.

youth doesn't win. youth makes alot of mistakes in short minutes. 2nd rounder youth, in particular, is an awful idea to rely on for a championship team if injuries occur.


The hype for bill walker and GR giddeons on this blog is beyond ridiculous. for every decent bench player drafted in that round (see BBD and powe) there are 20 guys chosen that don't have squat, and scrub out.

those two apparently don't have enough talent, right now, to crack our bench rotation last year when we had a ton of injuries, so why this unending optimism that doc is keeping a potential 6th man of the year or heck, even just solid contributor down out of some spite for youth?


It reminds me of all the hype for gabe pruitt, when he couldn't even take minutes away from eddie house at back up point. Gabe was a scrub, now he's gone.

We are trying to win a championship right now, not see if danny hit on a long shot in the second round. He may have, he might not have. IF he did, eventually those two will show something in practce/ NBDL/ summerleague that makes doc sit up and take notice. Clearly they aren't if we are pushing this hard to sign vets.

It never ceases to amaze how posters on this blog have a better read on a kid's potential and usefulness in the rotation form seeing him in garbage time and summer league over the coaching staff that sees them on a daily basis ad neasum. 

If yoo think Bowen as a 12th man helps you win a championship then we have bigger problems then we think.  In the playoffs you play 8 or 9 guys at the most.  If PP or Ray gets hurts then forgot about winning a chmapionship.  Bruce Bowen or not it wont happen.

[Who]

In other words, if Bowen cannot help in any real way, why do we want him over guys like Udoka, Carney, Wafer, Bogans, Mason, Szczerbiak, Giddens or Walker?

I'd rate Udoka and Bogans as fairly comparable, but slightly superior, to Bruce Bowen. I'd prefer either one of them over Bowen, but would be happy with Bruce.

I prefer Bruce Bowen over Wally, Carney, and over the Celtics current trio of backup wings (TA, Giddens, Walker). I'd rather have Bruce's defense over Wally's offense, and feel that Carney is still too inconsistent/unreliable to depend on in the playoffs (bigger upside though).

I don't think Von Wafer will be available for the minimum. He'd easily be my first choice if he were willing to sign for that amount.

[Chris]

I posted the reality check for two reasons:

1) A lot of posts were out there claiming, in effect, that if we signed Bowen it was all over.

2) Because there are other options, and we should not put on the blinders.

If we are looking for scoring, he is flat out not our man.

If we are looking for defense, Udoka put up better +/- and oponent PER numbers at the same position for the same team.

If we are looking to give Pierce a break on the defensive end, he is not our man - small forwards in the East will eat him alive.

In other words, if Bowen cannot help in any real way, why do we want him over guys like Udoka, Carney, Wafer, Bogans, Mason, Szczerbiak, Giddens or Walker?

Amen brother.  I dont get the fans love for Bowen at all.  Have they watched this guy the last 3 years?

This IS NOT the same Bruce Bowen from the early 2000s.  Not even close.

You drafted Giddens and Walker for a reason.  Let them play!  I will say it again.  Look how Powe and Gomes developed with minutes.

Well, the reason I am clamoring for Bowen is because I did see Walker and Giddens play, and have zero confidence they can be on the floor without significantly hurting the team.  I also have seen Bowen play recently, and while he isn't what he used to be, he is still a very smart, and tough player who can hit the 3, and I would feel much more comfortable having him as an option in case of injury, rather than just Walker and Giddens, or most any other guy out there (Udoka is the only other one I really like...Wafer, Carney, Bogans, Mason, and Szerbiak do not give us the same insurance).

Doc didnt play the Giddens or Walker hardly at all last year.  You have not seen them play with consistent miunutes unless you are watching the practices.  I much rather have Walker or Giddens playing ahead of Bowen at this point in Bowen's career.

He played them enough to see that they did not yet have an understanding of an NBA offensive or defensive system.  They both looked completely lost out there.  Giddens was much worse than Walker, and Walker absolutely killed the team with his lack of spacing on offense, and his late rotations on defense.

Yeah, there is a chance Walker or Giddens will be ready to contribute this year.  I am sure that is what Danny is hoping for.  However, signing Bowen does not stop that from happening.  Bowen would be like Scalabrine or Pollard to Powe and Davis 2 years ago.  He is a safety-net in case they are not ready to contribute. 

I am sure if Danny had his druthers, Walker (or Giddens) would win the backup SF spot out of camp, and Bowen would just be a 12th man, who would slide in if there are injuries or growing pains.  But he can't even count on that.  Whether it is Bowen, Stackhouse, or someone else, this team absolutely needs a true, veteran option, who they know can play NBA basketball, in case the kids can't. 

[crownsy]

Stay away from Bowen. 

what 12th man that's currently available do you want over him that we have a realistic shot at getting for the minimum?

Why even spend time on the 12th man?  Cmon really now. We are talking about the 12th man.  Not the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th or 11th but the 12th man.  I mean the 12th man.

Youth my friend, youth.

youth doesn't win. youth makes alot of mistakes in short minutes. 2nd rounder youth, in particular, is an awful idea to rely on for a championship team if injuries occur.


The hype for bill walker and GR giddeons on this blog is beyond ridiculous. for every decent bench player drafted in that round (see BBD and powe) there are 20 guys chosen that don't have squat, and scrub out.

those two apparently don't have enough talent, right now, to crack our bench rotation last year when we had a ton of injuries, so why this unending optimism that doc is keeping a potential 6th man of the year or heck, even just solid contributor down out of some spite for youth?


It reminds me of all the hype for gabe pruitt, when he couldn't even take minutes away from eddie house at back up point. Gabe was a scrub, now he's gone.

We are trying to win a championship right now, not see if danny hit on a long shot in the second round. He may have, he might not have. IF he did, eventually those two will show something in practce/ NBDL/ summerleague that makes doc sit up and take notice. Clearly they aren't if we are pushing this hard to sign vets.

It never ceases to amaze how posters on this blog have a better read on a kid's potential and usefulness in the rotation form seeing him in garbage time and summer league over the coaching staff that sees them on a daily basis ad neasum. 

If yoo think Bowen as a 12th man helps you win a championship then we have bigger problems then we think.  In the playoffs you play 8 or 9 guys at the most.  If PP or Ray gets hurts then forgot about winning a chmapionship.  Bruce Bowen or not it wont happen.

If were both conceding he's the twelfth man, why do you care if its him or as it currently stands an empty seat?

It seems this topic is more about you disliking bruce bowen than his actual worth or help or hindrance to this team as an emergency backup.

[dark_lord]

38 or not, the guy would help to contribute off the bench, even if only for 10-12 min a game.  nothing spectacular, just solid play. if we can sign him for real cheap and for 1 year, get it done!

Spoken like a true basketball sith.  We are not expecting anything more than solid defense and to be at least a threat from the corner to help further spread the floor for the second unit for the 10-12 minutes he would be in there.

Seems better than TA and company last year that couldn't hold or extend a lead to save their lives.

and this earns u a tp!

[jv2764]

Stay away from Bowen. 

what 12th man that's currently available do you want over him that we have a realistic shot at getting for the minimum?

Why even spend time on the 12th man?  Cmon really now. We are talking about the 12th man.  Not the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th or 11th but the 12th man.  I mean the 12th man.

Youth my friend, youth.

youth doesn't win. youth makes alot of mistakes in short minutes. 2nd rounder youth, in particular, is an awful idea to rely on for a championship team if injuries occur.


The hype for bill walker and GR giddeons on this blog is beyond ridiculous. for every decent bench player drafted in that round (see BBD and powe) there are 20 guys chosen that don't have squat, and scrub out.

those two apparently don't have enough talent, right now, to crack our bench rotation last year when we had a ton of injuries, so why this unending optimism that doc is keeping a potential 6th man of the year or heck, even just solid contributor down out of some spite for youth?


It reminds me of all the hype for gabe pruitt, when he couldn't even take minutes away from eddie house at back up point. Gabe was a scrub, now he's gone.

We are trying to win a championship right now, not see if danny hit on a long shot in the second round. He may have, he might not have. IF he did, eventually those two will show something in practce/ NBDL/ summerleague that makes doc sit up and take notice. Clearly they aren't if we are pushing this hard to sign vets.

It never ceases to amaze how posters on this blog have a better read on a kid's potential and usefulness in the rotation form seeing him in garbage time and summer league over the coaching staff that sees them on a daily basis ad neasum. 

If yoo think Bowen as a 12th man helps you win a championship then we have bigger problems then we think.  In the playoffs you play 8 or 9 guys at the most.  If PP or Ray gets hurts then forgot about winning a chmapionship.  Bruce Bowen or not it wont happen.

If were both conceding he's the twelfth man, why do you care if its him or as it currently stands an empty seat?

It seems this topic is more about you disliking bruce bowen than his actual worth or help or hindrance to this team as an emergency backup.

Why him of all people?  Lets bring back David Wesley too to back up Rondo as well.