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Bowen is 38!
« on: August 01, 2009, 06:45:50 PM »

Offline Michael Anthony

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Quick reality check on Bruce Bowen.

Never a great player, not getting better; his 2008-09 season stats were terrible:
MIN - 18.9
PTS - 2.7
AST - 0.5
REB - 1.8
FG% - .422
3P% - .429
FT% - .538

PER - 5.37
On Court Offense - -9.2
On Court Defense - -3.3
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 13.7
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 13.5 (Udoka)
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 14.9 (Finley)

Big small forwards from the west perform better against San Antonio than their average:
Anthony - FG% +1.5
Jackson - FG% +5.4
Howard  - FG% +6.1
Durant - FG% +1.9
Half of the small forwards in the East are to big for Bowen: Lebron, Lewis, Turkoglu, Thadeus Young, Granger, Butler or Wallace

In the first section, we established that he is not good at offense. In the second section, we established that he is not a great defender. In the third section, we established that he cannot ease Pierce's defensive burden.

How does a 6'7", 200 pound, 38 year old scrub help this team?
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 06:52:10 PM »

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You say all this as if they're  better options out there that we can afford.
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2009, 07:00:08 PM »

Offline jv2764

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Stay away from Bowen. 
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2009, 07:00:56 PM »

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Theres no stat for defense, numbers can't show what a great defender does... you have to watch the games.

Plus he wasn't playing in front of the likes of KG/Perk/Sheed.

He's a good defender becuase he's smart, and he's a good defender because he takes pride in his defense.

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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2009, 07:01:59 PM »

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Quote from: Michael Anthony on August 01, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
Quick reality check on Bruce Bowen.

Never a great player, not getting better; his 2008-09 season stats were terrible:
MIN - 18.9
PTS - 2.7
AST - 0.5
REB - 1.8
FG% - .422
3P% - .429
FT% - .538

PER - 5.37
On Court Offense - -9.2
On Court Defense - -3.3
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 13.7
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 13.5 (Udoka)
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 14.9 (Finley)

Big small forwards from the west perform better against San Antonio than their average:
Anthony - FG% +1.5
Jackson - FG% +5.4
Howard  - FG% +6.1
Durant - FG% +1.9
Half of the small forwards in the East are to big for Bowen: Lebron, Lewis, Turkoglu, Thadeus Young, Granger, Butler or Wallace

In the first section, we established that he is not good at offense. In the second section, we established that he is not a great defender. In the third section, we established that he cannot ease Pierce's defensive burden.

How does a 6'7", 200 pound, 38 year old scrub help this team?
Of course he's not getting better.  If he wasn't getting worse by the time he was 38 I'd think he wasn't human.  Still, he's a bigger asset to our team than most agents out there.
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009, 07:18:49 PM »

Offline xmuscularghandix

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Quote from: mgent on August 01, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Michael Anthony on August 01, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
Quick reality check on Bruce Bowen.

Never a great player, not getting better; his 2008-09 season stats were terrible:
MIN - 18.9
PTS - 2.7
AST - 0.5
REB - 1.8
FG% - .422
3P% - .429
FT% - .538

PER - 5.37
On Court Offense - -9.2
On Court Defense - -3.3
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 13.7
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 13.5 (Udoka)
Opponent PER, Small Forward - 14.9 (Finley)

Big small forwards from the west perform better against San Antonio than their average:
Anthony - FG% +1.5
Jackson - FG% +5.4
Howard  - FG% +6.1
Durant - FG% +1.9
Half of the small forwards in the East are to big for Bowen: Lebron, Lewis, Turkoglu, Thadeus Young, Granger, Butler or Wallace

In the first section, we established that he is not good at offense. In the second section, we established that he is not a great defender. In the third section, we established that he cannot ease Pierce's defensive burden.

How does a 6'7", 200 pound, 38 year old scrub help this team?
he's a bigger asset to our team than most agents out there.

Even more so, he's a bigger asset than anybody we currently have on roster... for that role.
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2009, 07:25:44 PM »

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Quote from: xmuscularghandix on August 01, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
Theres no stat for defense, numbers can't show what a great defender does... you have to watch the games.

Plus he wasn't playing in front of the likes of KG/Perk/Sheed.

He's a good defender becuase he's smart, and he's a good defender because he takes pride in his defense.


Uh the front line of Tim Duncan and anyone else is pretty [dang] good.

Bowen is old as dirt and probably done. Still I think he'd be a good asset to have as our 4th wing.
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 07:34:58 PM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on August 01, 2009, 07:25:44 PM
Quote from: xmuscularghandix on August 01, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
Theres no stat for defense, numbers can't show what a great defender does... you have to watch the games.

Plus he wasn't playing in front of the likes of KG/Perk/Sheed.

He's a good defender becuase he's smart, and he's a good defender because he takes pride in his defense.


Uh the front line of Tim Duncan and anyone else is pretty [dang] good.

Bowen is old as dirt and probably done. Still I think he'd be a good asset to have as our 4th wing.

Duncan had no knees last year, plus they had no compliment big man to Duncan.
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 07:38:37 PM »

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Quote from: ToppersBsktball10 on August 01, 2009, 07:34:58 PM
Quote from: Fafnir on August 01, 2009, 07:25:44 PM
Quote from: xmuscularghandix on August 01, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
Theres no stat for defense, numbers can't show what a great defender does... you have to watch the games.

Plus he wasn't playing in front of the likes of KG/Perk/Sheed.

He's a good defender becuase he's smart, and he's a good defender because he takes pride in his defense.


Uh the front line of Tim Duncan and anyone else is pretty [dang] good.

Bowen is old as dirt and probably done. Still I think he'd be a good asset to have as our 4th wing.

Duncan had no knees last year, plus they had no compliment big man to Duncan.
Tim Duncan was healthy for most of the first part of the year. Bowen still sucked.
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 07:43:36 PM »

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Bowen will not play 38 minutes! Bowen is not a stats guy!
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 08:03:26 PM »

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Quote from: P2 on August 01, 2009, 07:43:36 PM
Bowen will not play 38 minutes! Bowen is not a stats guy!

Q.
bowen is a good man for the bench
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 08:15:21 PM »

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bowen is a great option for the bench. I mean, who would you want instead of him that we can reasonably have a shot at getting? He's much, much better than having to bring TA, Giddens, or Walker into the game. Can Giddens and Walker get better? Yeah, sure, and they can also end up like Gerald Green and Pruitt, but we are not rebuilding, we are contending, therefore we need guys who know how to play d and win, and who are not playing for their first big payday, but instead for the glory of another title.
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 08:19:40 PM »

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PJ BROWN WAS late 30's and he was fantastic for boston
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Re: Bowen is 38!
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2009, 08:29:00 PM »

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Quote from: celticinorlando on August 01, 2009, 08:19:40 PM
PJ BROWN WAS late 30's and he was fantastic for boston
PJ had played extremely well for the Chicago Bulls the year before he joined the C's. Bowen on the other hand looked awful for San Antonio. I get your point, but I really think they have different amounts left in the tank.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 08:35:27 PM »

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Bowen was a solid 15 minute a night player for the Spurs last season. He can help a team.
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