2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Rondo2287]

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.


Wait Edgar this may help for you

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.

[KCattheStripe]

OK  we gotta spring and get KC a DVR too so in the future he can record the games and refresh his memory later on

So I can remember his 18 points a game and lack of production in LA? Nah, I remember those pretty well.

[KCattheStripe]

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.


Wait Edgar this may help for you

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.

YOU GOT PAUL PIERCE?


On a slight tangent, who actually has Pierce in this league?

[Roy Hobbs]

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.


Wait Edgar this may help for you

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.

YOU GOT PAUL PIERCE?


On a slight tangent, who actually has Pierce in this league?

NJ.  Rasheed-Brand-Pierce-Lee-Fisher.

[Fafnir]

and KC I know pierce had some trophey at the end of the finals.  But was it because he was a dominant scorer that didnt lead his team in scoring?

Actually he did lead his team in scoring in the finals (Ray was second). Surprisingly the same was true for Pierce in the ECF. Interestingly, these were the two rounds of the playoffs that KG had never gotten past before. So I think Edgar's question stands, Who scores for KG when the bright lights are on?

3 PPG more isn't a big enough difference in the Finals to suggest Garnett can't handle the big stage. Not when he was our best player thoughout the entire playoffs.

Scoring isn't everything.

[KCattheStripe]

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.


Wait Edgar this may help for you

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.

YOU GOT PAUL PIERCE?


On a slight tangent, who actually has Pierce in this league?

NJ.  Rasheed-Brand-Pierce-Lee-Fisher.

I knew there was a reason I voted them in the playoffs.

[Edgar]

OK  we gotta spring and get KC a DVR too so in the future he can record the games and refresh his memory later on

So I can remember his 15 points a game and lack of production in LA? Nah, I remember those pretty well.

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.


Wait Edgar this may help for you

The same one that was the alpha dog scorer on the celtics when they one the championship two years ago.

YOU GOT PAUL PIERCE?


On a slight tangent, who actually has Pierce in this league?

NJ.  Rasheed-Brand-Pierce-Lee-Fisher.

I knew there was a reason I voted them in the playoffs.

I rest my case

Not enough Fire Power

[Edgar]

and KC I know pierce had some trophey at the end of the finals.  But was it because he was a dominant scorer that didnt lead his team in scoring?

Actually he did lead his team in scoring in the finals (Ray was second). Surprisingly the same was true for Pierce in the ECF. Interestingly, these were the two rounds of the playoffs that KG had never gotten past before. So I think Edgar's question stands, Who scores for KG when the bright lights are on?

3 PPG more isn't a big enough difference in the Finals to suggest Garnett can't handle the big stage. Not when he was our best player thoughout the entire playoffs.

Scoring isn't everything.

yup but at least you need more than something
to win a championship.

[Fafnir]

OK  we gotta spring and get KC a DVR too so in the future he can record the games and refresh his memory later on

So I can remember his 15 points a game and lack of production in LA? Nah, I remember those pretty well.

18 PPG in the Finals, 20 PPG in the playoffs. Not to mention his huge performance in Game 6.

He was also by far our best player in the Cleveland series. He carried the team to Game 7. Even in Game 7 he scored a bunch of points in the fourth after Paul was worn down from the amazing first three quarters.

[Fafnir]

and KC I know pierce had some trophey at the end of the finals.  But was it because he was a dominant scorer that didnt lead his team in scoring?

Actually he did lead his team in scoring in the finals (Ray was second). Surprisingly the same was true for Pierce in the ECF. Interestingly, these were the two rounds of the playoffs that KG had never gotten past before. So I think Edgar's question stands, Who scores for KG when the bright lights are on?

3 PPG more isn't a big enough difference in the Finals to suggest Garnett can't handle the big stage. Not when he was our best player thoughout the entire playoffs.

Scoring isn't everything.

yup but at least you need more than something
to win a championship.

Definitely, I don't think the team around KG is enough this time.

[KCattheStripe]

and KC I know pierce had some trophey at the end of the finals.  But was it because he was a dominant scorer that didnt lead his team in scoring?

Actually he did lead his team in scoring in the finals (Ray was second). Surprisingly the same was true for Pierce in the ECF. Interestingly, these were the two rounds of the playoffs that KG had never gotten past before. So I think Edgar's question stands, Who scores for KG when the bright lights are on?

3 PPG more isn't a big enough difference in the Finals to suggest Garnett can't handle the big stage. Not when he was our best player thoughout the entire playoffs.

Scoring isn't everything.

True, but when you couple it with Pierce's defense and leadership, it becomes the difference maker. I still contend that Pierce was the most important player on that Celtics team. If you take Pierce out of this pas seasons playoffs and put in Garnett, they don't get past Chicago.

[Roy Hobbs]

OK  we gotta spring and get KC a DVR too so in the future he can record the games and refresh his memory later on

So I can remember his 15 points a game and lack of production in LA? Nah, I remember those pretty well.

18 PPG in the Finals, 20 PPG in the playoffs. Not to mention his huge performance in Game 6.

He was also by far our best player in the Cleveland series. He carried the team to Game 7. Even in Game 7 he scored a bunch of points in the fourth after Paul was worn down from the amazing first three quarters.

I love KG, but allow me to play some devil's advocate here.  In our two losses, he averaged 13 points per game and shot 37%, against the defensive beasts Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.  Isn't the idea that KG won't let his team lose a little overdone?

(I know that's not your argument, but some others have made it.)

[Rondo2287]

But doesnt that prove Roy that when KG plays well, the team wins, when he plays poorly they lose?  Doesnt that show that he was really the dependent factor on that team, and should have been the MVP?

Honestly I would much rather have a guy that puts up big numbers in wins and is the reason their team wins.  Than guys that put up strong numbers in losses

[KCattheStripe]

OK  we gotta spring and get KC a DVR too so in the future he can record the games and refresh his memory later on

So I can remember his 15 points a game and lack of production in LA? Nah, I remember those pretty well.

18 PPG in the Finals, 20 PPG in the playoffs. Not to mention his huge performance in Game 6.

He was also by far our best player in the Cleveland series. He carried the team to Game 7. Even in Game 7 he scored a bunch of points in the fourth after Paul was worn down from the amazing first three quarters.

The 15 was a typo, and he was abysmal in LA Where Gasol and Odom outplayed him. Looking back, I don't see where Garnett carried the team to game 7, if for no other reason than they lost game 6, but he and Pierce switched almost every game as the leading scorer while Pierce had to guard James while Garnett had to guard Varajo, Z and Joe Smith.

[indeedproceed]

I think its bad when he ranked 15th 2 yrs ago, and Ginobli ranked 18th same year.

I'm not sure that saying your wings can get to the rim is anything but hoping, you know? I just feel like considering their ages and injury histories, they're gonna want to settle for jump shots rather than make those rickety arthritic surgerically repaired legs do the work.

And I would submit that you're being a teeny, tiny bit disingenuous, to provoke debate.  Seriously, people don't think Manu Ginobili gets to the hoop?  Have you watched the NBA in the past ten years?  I understand if you don't watch Redd -- he plays for a team that has been, at best, decent -- but to not know Manu's game just really surprises me.

If I ever win the lottery, I'll be buying a couple of GMs League Pass. 

i think Manu Ginobli is not the player he once was, because his playing style is incredibly taxing on his body. I think Dwayne Wade goes through a similar transition when he turns 29, 30 or so.

Ginobli is either going to have to change the way he plays, or understand that he won't be playing for long, since he's relatively young at 31 I think he changes...and with Micheal Redd not needing to force his shots, I think he becomes much more of a jumpshooter, but I'd expect his 3pt % to rise to around 42%.

That's not being disingenuous, sir. That is being thorough.

Here's a highlight reel from last season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXuXzYV4qgA

He still gets to the hoop.  Again, his FT rate is just below Pierce's.

Roy, nobody wants to watch 4 mins and 31 seconds of Manu Ginobli's daily hair preparation strategy. And FTR, while Pierce CAN get to the hoop, he doesn't do it nearly at the clip he used to. He's a threat, but not a guy that's going to drive the lane just to probe the defense. Ginobli has no legs.