2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Edgar]

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Is that U ? or rebus?

[indeedproceed]

I am the one on the bottom.

[Rondo2287]

IP im confused, are you saying that Bibby doesnt support multicultural togetherness?

[indeedproceed]

IP im confused, are you saying that Bibby doesnt support multicultural togetherness?

What? No! Mike Bibby is all for multiculturally bathing in childrens tears and hating unicorns.

[KCattheStripe]

IP im confused, are you saying that Bibby doesnt support multicultural togetherness?

What? No! Mike Bibby is all for multiculturally bathing in childrens tears and hating unicorns.

Its true, he and Mo Williams recently opened a Spa together.

[Edgar]

dont mess with unicorns.. angry

[indeedproceed]

Really? Yet another terrible move by Mike Bibby. Everyone knows that Mo Williams can't run a spa...or did we all forget about the "Infinity Sunset Horizons" debacle in Milwalkee?

[Edgar]

we on portland support Latin power!!!!!

[RebusRankin]

QRich can't believe you insulted Buffalo's bench. Once he realizes he's with team 5 this summer (Buffalo) and that he's playing Buffalo, he's going to have a bone to pick with you. 

[indeedproceed]

Miami has to be his last stop, right?

[nickagneta]

Redd lacks the strength to contain the bigger and quicker Johnson.

I see why Hoyo gets so upset that nobody reads posts on here.  Doesn't actual -- rather than theoretical -- performance count for anything? 

Head to head, Redd has outscored Johnson 11 of the past 12 times.  Isn't that the point of the game?  To score more than your opponent?  In 17 career games, Johnson is averaging 16.0 points per game against Redd.  The last time they met, in late January, Johnson scored 9 points.  Redd has held Johnson to 15 or less in 8 of their past 12 meetings.

But, regardless of the facts, people will continue to underrate Michael Redd.  Obviously, he's much worse than Johnson.  Why?  Conventional wisdom, rather than actual performances in actual games.

Since when does scoring stats tell the whole story? JoJo is a more complete guard than Red who is a pure shooter. Johnson handles the ball more and helps facilitate the offense more than Redd Does. Not to mention Redd is coming off a major injury right now and he was an average defender at best before the injury. I'd be surprised if Redd could guard his way out of a wet paper bag right now.

I took Portland in this matchup in 6 simply because over a 7 game series I just don't think Shaq can be denied. But Portland's backcourt defensively is swiss cheese and Lewis at the 3 spot isn't much better. Houston's penetration and fast break ability will steal at least a couple of games before bowing out.

If Redd is "swiss cheese", though, why is Johnson only averaging 16 points and 5 assists against him? 

Late to the argument, but the answer, Roy, is in the stats. Redd built up a formidable point advantage over Johnson in the first 4 games Johnson played in Atlanta dring the 2005-06 season, when Johnson was the only good player on the whole team and was still trying to get used to being "the man" on a team. Double Johnson or concentrate on stopping him and you won most mights. That team was 26-56 and just god awful.

During that 4 game stretch Johnson got outscored by Redd by 50 points or 12.5 per game. Remove that 4 game stretch from the stats and Johnson's and Redd's stats stand [dang] near identical in most categories and since Johnson is a year younger and not coming off a huge injury, I would now give him the advantage.

[nickagneta]

yeah but that was when we did the regular season voting. This is the playoffs, baby.

You think injuries are more likely in the playoffs than in the 82 game regular season?  I don't see it.

Tell that to Leon Powe.

[nickagneta]

o.k. to IP

and his comments from before

Do u think a lineup of

Delonte
Manu
Gomes
JO
Brad Miller is playoff worthy?

with those players healthy we can make the playoffs
rest the other 5 and
Conquer the world ( wait thats from another draft)

botton line is Portland can do it during season no matter injuries or resting needs
We will come at full strengh during playoffs
I think people seems to not watching or not wanting to watch at
some simple thing as that


p.s. Phoenix stinks.

As starters on a team with players backing them up who are worse than them, no, not even close, they struggle to win 40 games.

[Roy Hobbs]

Redd lacks the strength to contain the bigger and quicker Johnson.

I see why Hoyo gets so upset that nobody reads posts on here.  Doesn't actual -- rather than theoretical -- performance count for anything? 

Head to head, Redd has outscored Johnson 11 of the past 12 times.  Isn't that the point of the game?  To score more than your opponent?  In 17 career games, Johnson is averaging 16.0 points per game against Redd.  The last time they met, in late January, Johnson scored 9 points.  Redd has held Johnson to 15 or less in 8 of their past 12 meetings.

But, regardless of the facts, people will continue to underrate Michael Redd.  Obviously, he's much worse than Johnson.  Why?  Conventional wisdom, rather than actual performances in actual games.

Since when does scoring stats tell the whole story? JoJo is a more complete guard than Red who is a pure shooter. Johnson handles the ball more and helps facilitate the offense more than Redd Does. Not to mention Redd is coming off a major injury right now and he was an average defender at best before the injury. I'd be surprised if Redd could guard his way out of a wet paper bag right now.

I took Portland in this matchup in 6 simply because over a 7 game series I just don't think Shaq can be denied. But Portland's backcourt defensively is swiss cheese and Lewis at the 3 spot isn't much better. Houston's penetration and fast break ability will steal at least a couple of games before bowing out.

If Redd is "swiss cheese", though, why is Johnson only averaging 16 points and 5 assists against him? 

Late to the argument, but the answer, Roy, is in the stats. Redd built up a formidable point advantage over Johnson in the first 4 games Johnson played in Atlanta dring the 2005-06 season, when Johnson was the only good player on the whole team and was still trying to get used to being "the man" on a team. Double Johnson or concentrate on stopping him and you won most mights. That team was 26-56 and just god awful.

During that 4 game stretch Johnson got outscored by Redd by 50 points or 12.5 per game. Remove that 4 game stretch from the stats and Johnson's and Redd's stats stand [dang] near identical in most categories and since Johnson is a year younger and not coming off a huge injury, I would now give him the advantage.

nick, that's not really true.  As mentioned, Redd has outscored Johnson in 11 of the last 12.  It's a little misleading to suggest that Redd's advantage was solely early in their career.

[nickagneta]

Dwight is not soft, he's a force. Shaq is jealous because he's washed up. (Well until this game is over, then they both suck).

Both players are jealous because when they go up against the smaller Perk he makes them look like little girls.