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Re: Marbury "not closing the door on the celtics"
« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2009, 07:41:20 PM »

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For the money, how much better are you going to do then Marbury?  He would not be a bad result for a Vet Min up to LLE level back up PG and would actually have a decent up side considering the one thing he could always do was score.  It seems to me there is a decent chance he will remember how to put the ball in the hole sometimes.

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« Reply #76 on: July 19, 2009, 07:48:11 PM »

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For the money, how much better are you going to do then Marbury?  He would not be a bad result for a Vet Min up to LLE level back up PG and would actually have a decent up side considering the one thing he could always do was score.  It seems to me there is a decent chance he will remember how to put the ball in the hole sometimes.


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Re: Marbury "not closing the door on the celtics"
« Reply #77 on: July 19, 2009, 09:49:20 PM »

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For the money, how much better are you going to do then Marbury?  He would not be a bad result for a Vet Min up to LLE level back up PG and would actually have a decent up side considering the one thing he could always do was score.  It seems to me there is a decent chance he will remember how to put the ball in the hole sometimes.


Carter.

Agreed, Carter would be better.  Much better defender, scrapper and bit player.  But Marbury would probably be my 2nd choice.  Unless he's completely fallen apart, his barftastic %s from last year should improve.

I had very few issues with Marbury other than with his shot.  His decision making was solid, his aggressiveness appropriate and his passing was very beneficial to Eddie House.  If he can mentally and physically adjust to being a 15 minute player, I think he'd be a valuable addition.
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Re: Marbury "not closing the door on the celtics"
« Reply #78 on: July 19, 2009, 10:09:00 PM »

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I think alot of Marbury's problems weren't only about rust, it was because he had to consciously think about  what he was doing on the court instead of just going out and playing. He's used to being the main man, dominating the ball and putting up 20 shots a game and dominating the offence, Once he went on the Celtics, he was expected to just do the little things, the thing is, this is a learning experience for him too. This isn't the first time that a "star" player has struggled when asked to take a complimentary role. He was trying to show the world that he too could be "unselfish" but the thing is, he doesn't know how to be(but give him credit, hes trying). In order for him to be succesful, we have to let him be "starbury" and let him do his thing in limited minutes, instead of trying to make him into a super anthony carter, we have to let him be a mini starbury.

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« Reply #79 on: July 20, 2009, 12:24:16 AM »

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I think alot of Marbury's problems weren't only about rust, it was because he had to consciously think about  what he was doing on the court instead of just going out and playing. He's used to being the main man, dominating the ball and putting up 20 shots a game and dominating the offence, Once he went on the Celtics, he was expected to just do the little things, the thing is, this is a learning experience for him too. This isn't the first time that a "star" player has struggled when asked to take a complimentary role. He was trying to show the world that he too could be "unselfish" but the thing is, he doesn't know how to be(but give him credit, hes trying). In order for him to be succesful, we have to let him be "starbury" and let him do his thing in limited minutes, instead of trying to make him into a super anthony carter, we have to let him be a mini starbury.
I agree, he was trying so hard to be unselfish that it was affecting his game.  Sometimes i looked at him and i thought it was Rondo passing the ball around.  He knew we knew he could score.  He was just trying to show us he could be a team player also.  I think if he would've stuck around for another year he could've found a happy medium.
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« Reply #80 on: July 20, 2009, 12:28:01 AM »

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If you considered last season to be Marbury's worst year of his career, well guess what. If those were Carter's numbers, it would rank in as probably his 5th best season of his career.

Unless there is some Anthony Carter I am unfamiliar with, it is pretty ridiculous to think he would be a better option than Marbury.

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« Reply #81 on: July 20, 2009, 12:53:28 AM »

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If you considered last season to be Marbury's worst year of his career, well guess what. If those were Carter's numbers, it would rank in as probably his 5th best season of his career.

Unless there is some Anthony Carter I am unfamiliar with, it is pretty ridiculous to think he would be a better option than Marbury.

If you want a scoring PG, of course Marbs is better at that, but you have to consider what the role requires. Carter is a tough defender, well-schooled in hounding 1s and gamely attempting to bother 2s.  He's also a disciplined player, playing mostly to his strengths and leaving the rest of the game to others.  He's a proven facilitator, delivering a lot of assists in short periods of time and keeping his turnovers relatively low. 

With House, Sheed, Daniels and probably one of the big 3 on the floor, the best back-up PG is one who can get the ball to these gifted scorers in scoring positions.  Since he'll be paired with House, this guard should also be able to play tough defense and scrap to make up for the likely size disadvantage.

While Marbury is a gifted player and capable of doing some of these things, Carter's just better at this particular set of skills.  Past production shows that Carter has filled this precise role for successful teams, while Marbury struggled in his one chance at it.

That's not to say the Stephon couldn't step up.  I would definitely take him.  His D wasn't bad, he passed well and his shot should improve, but then again, he's never going to rebound, be a defensive pest or scrap like Carter.  It's just not his game.

Stephon would be better off on a team that has a lot of defenders and finishers, but no shotmakers.  He would just be adequate on our team. 
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Re: Marbury "not closing the door on the celtics"
« Reply #82 on: July 20, 2009, 12:53:36 AM »

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If you considered last season to be Marbury's worst year of his career, well guess what. If those were Carter's numbers, it would rank in as probably his 5th best season of his career.

Unless there is some Anthony Carter I am unfamiliar with, it is pretty ridiculous to think he would be a better option than Marbury.
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« Reply #83 on: July 20, 2009, 01:09:13 AM »

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Anybody who think Anthony Carter is better than Marbury even at this stage is a straight up Marbury HATER! I'll take Marbury thanks!

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« Reply #84 on: July 20, 2009, 01:10:48 AM »

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Anybody who think Anthony Carter is better than Marbury even at this stage is a straight up Marbury HATER! I'll take Marbury thanks!
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« Reply #85 on: July 20, 2009, 06:56:00 AM »

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There's no question that I'm a Marbury detractor and proud of it.  I don't know what games his supporters have been watching or what they have been smoking.

This guy is rusted all the way through.  He can't play any more, at least not at the NBA level. For starters, there is no excuse whatsoever for an NBA guard to shoot under 50% from the free throw line.  That isn't rust, it's rigor mortis.

Would I take Anthony Carter over Marbury?  You betcha.  At least he can finish at the basket.  Carter sucks, but he sucks less than Marbury. Would I take GabePruitt over Marbury?  You betcha, because Gabe is a much better defender and can hit an open trey.  It's the same with Tyron Lue, Kevin Ollie, Jaques Vaughn and about six other guys who are unrestricted free agents with NBA point guard experience.
 
If the Celtics are stupid enough to resign him, they will be looking for a relacement by Christmas. Marbury's career is over. Finished. End of story.

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« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2009, 08:10:56 AM »

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Anybody who think Anthony Carter is better than Marbury even at this stage is a straight up Marbury HATER! I'll take Marbury thanks!
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« Reply #87 on: July 20, 2009, 08:14:28 AM »

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Definitely take Marbury over Carter.  There were extenuating circumstances as to why Carter was better last year.  I doubt he'll ever be better again.
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« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2009, 08:57:12 AM »

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Marbury is holding back and wieghing his options. He probably knows that his days of being a highly paid starting PG in the NBA are over. I thought he was going to Europe. Personally, I'd like to see get another chance with the Boston Celtics as a backup PG. I think he would do a lot better this time around being more familier with his teammates.
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« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2009, 09:08:20 AM »

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Marbury is holding back and wieghing his options. He probably knows that his days of being a highly paid starting PG in the NBA are over. I thought he was going to Europe. Personally, I'd like to see get another chance with the Boston Celtics as a backup PG. I think he would do a lot better this time around being more familier with his teammates.

I don't buy either Starbury or Iverson going to Europe, I just think they made too much and it'd be too big of a culture shock for them.