Should Red Sox trade for Roy Halladay??

[nickagneta]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4311661

Seems Roy Halladay might be on the trading block and with a no trade clause can dictate where he goes. Boston, in the AL East, where he knows he can have success, would seem a great fit as he could easily put them over the top for the title.

Would a package of Penny, Masterson and Buchholz be too much to offer or would it even be enough? Of course, the Sox could insist first on the right to negotiate a long term contract with him before doing the trade.

What would you give up for Roy Halladay and should the Sox do it. I would!!

[NextCeltic34]

I would do that deal. If you can get Halladay, you get him.

[Redz]

Absolutely

[Prof. Clutch]

We'd have to give up some prospects to get him, but hell yeah they should.  They already have a dominating starting pitching line, couldn't imagine how powerful it would be with him in it too.

I would LOVE to see the sox do that.

Then again, Toronto might be hesitant to trade him to a division rival.

[Roy Hobbs]

Yeah, I'd do that deal, as well.

[Big_Matt34]

That wouldnt be enough for him IMO, Halladay is arguable the best pitcher in baseball and isnt a FA agent after this year so it will take ALOT to get him. I think Lars would have to be included in any deal for Halladay too, i think a package of Masterson/Redick/Lars Anderson or Lars/Bowden/Bard will be enough and id do it in a heartbeat. Halladay is locked up through next year and you get to keep Buchholz, its alot to give up but its a no brainer to me. Because the Sox farm system is so talented and deep i bet they could do a deal like this without giving up Buchholz who i think the Sox look at as an untouchable.


I also think we'd have to take on one of their bigger contracts like Lyle Overbay who would actually be a real good fit here with his OBP and him being a 1B. Whenever Lowell gets back he gives you a good lefty off the bench. I was against giving up alot for Johan but i love Halladay and think he is made for Fenway. He supposedly has a NTC so he'd probably demand an extension if he were to be traded, so that makes it a tougher decision but i think he is the type of pitcher who can dominate into his late 30's so id probably still do it.

[nickagneta]

That wouldnt be enough for him IMO, i think a package of Masterson/Redick/Lars Anderson or Lars/Penny/Bowden/young, high upside type will be enough and id do it in a heartbeat. Halladay is locked up through next year and you get to keep Buchholz, its alot to give up but its a no brainer to me. Because the Sox farm system is so deep i bet they could do a deal like this without giving up Buchholz who i think the Sox look at as an untouchable..

I also think we'd have to take on one of their bigger contracts like Lyle Overbay who would actually be a real good fit here with his OBP and him being a 1B. Whenever Lowell gets back he gives you a good lefty off the bench.

I think in any trade for Halladay to the Sox Buchholz is going to be the guy coveted as being a long term cheap replacement for Halladay in Toronto. It's true they might also require some young positional players but my guess is Toronto wants young, cheap arms. Besides, I'm not sure Boston is willing to give up on the small amount of positional prospects they do have, even if Anderson is having a horrible year.

Buchholz, Masterson or Bard, Penny and maybe even a Bowden might have to go.

[Bankshot]

That wouldnt be enough for him IMO, i think a package of Masterson/Redick/Lars Anderson or Lars/Penny/Bowden/young, high upside type will be enough and id do it in a heartbeat. Halladay is locked up through next year and you get to keep Buchholz, its alot to give up but its a no brainer to me. Because the Sox farm system is so deep i bet they could do a deal like this without giving up Buchholz who i think the Sox look at as an untouchable..

I also think we'd have to take on one of their bigger contracts like Lyle Overbay who would actually be a real good fit here with his OBP and him being a 1B. Whenever Lowell gets back he gives you a good lefty off the bench.

I think in any trade for Halladay to the Sox Buchholz is going to be the guy coveted as being a long term cheap replacement for Halladay in Toronto. It's true they might also require some young positional players but my guess is Toronto wants young, cheap arms. Besides, I'm not sure Boston is willing to give up on the small amount of positional prospects they do have, even if Anderson is having a horrible year.

Buchholz, Masterson or Bard, Penny and maybe even a Bowden might have to go.

I'd try to throw in Delcarmen and try to keep either Masterson or Bard.

[Big_Matt34]

That wouldnt be enough for him IMO, i think a package of Masterson/Redick/Lars Anderson or Lars/Penny/Bowden/young, high upside type will be enough and id do it in a heartbeat. Halladay is locked up through next year and you get to keep Buchholz, its alot to give up but its a no brainer to me. Because the Sox farm system is so deep i bet they could do a deal like this without giving up Buchholz who i think the Sox look at as an untouchable..

I also think we'd have to take on one of their bigger contracts like Lyle Overbay who would actually be a real good fit here with his OBP and him being a 1B. Whenever Lowell gets back he gives you a good lefty off the bench.

I think in any trade for Halladay to the Sox Buchholz is going to be the guy coveted as being a long term cheap replacement for Halladay in Toronto. It's true they might also require some young positional players but my guess is Toronto wants young, cheap arms. Besides, I'm not sure Boston is willing to give up on the small amount of positional prospects they do have, even if Anderson is having a horrible year.

Buchholz, Masterson or Bard, Penny and maybe even a Bowden might have to go.

I dont really mind giving Bowden up, he is a mid rotation guy at best, he doesnt have the greatest stuff and even though he may be working on things in AAA, he is having a tough time this year. I also like Masterson but id be ok with giving him up, i think he is a ok starter and a good reliever, but not great at either one.

Lars or Redick would be tough to give up but you are getting back a dominant ace who eats innings, also its alot easier to sign good hitters in free agency than it is to get an ace. The Blue Jays are gonna trade Overbay and will need a 1B for the future, i also think Wells get traded and someone like REdick would be a nice get for them to be their future CF'er. Theyd obviously ask for Buchholz but i dont think he will be a dealbreaker, the Sox have so much talented depth in the minors they could give the best package to the Blue Jays without giving up Buchholz.

If the Sox would be willing to give up Clay i think a package of Clay/Redick/Masterson/low level guy would work. Since the Jays would only trade Roy if they decide they are out of it, theyd have no interest in Penny since he is older and a FA after this year. The only teams that would go after him are the ones who are looking for a boost for a playoff run this year, like the Phillies or Mets.

[winsomme]

I'm gonna stick with a potent bat....

I think the starting staff is fine and the bullpen is deep. If I'm gonna trade top prospects I would go after a hitter that other teams don't want to pitch to.

we have a lot of good hitters, but not many that strike fear into opposing pitchers and managers.

that's the need in my book.

and as per some of my other posts, I'd like that to be Hanley.

[nickagneta]

That wouldnt be enough for him IMO, i think a package of Masterson/Redick/Lars Anderson or Lars/Penny/Bowden/young, high upside type will be enough and id do it in a heartbeat. Halladay is locked up through next year and you get to keep Buchholz, its alot to give up but its a no brainer to me. Because the Sox farm system is so deep i bet they could do a deal like this without giving up Buchholz who i think the Sox look at as an untouchable..

I also think we'd have to take on one of their bigger contracts like Lyle Overbay who would actually be a real good fit here with his OBP and him being a 1B. Whenever Lowell gets back he gives you a good lefty off the bench.

I think in any trade for Halladay to the Sox Buchholz is going to be the guy coveted as being a long term cheap replacement for Halladay in Toronto. It's true they might also require some young positional players but my guess is Toronto wants young, cheap arms. Besides, I'm not sure Boston is willing to give up on the small amount of positional prospects they do have, even if Anderson is having a horrible year.

Buchholz, Masterson or Bard, Penny and maybe even a Bowden might have to go.

I'd try to throw in Delcarmen and try to keep either Masterson or Bard.

Problem with throwing in Delcarmen comes in that he is due for arbitration next year and could get costly quickly, especially if he gets thrown into a setup or closers role somewhere else. Toronto will want players that have Delcarmen's arm and yet still have all of their minimum years still available to them like a Bard or Masterson or Buchholz or Bowden.

Also, regarding Penny, he is going to have to go in the package as the Sox won't have anywhere for him. Also, Toronto, if they are getting Buchholz, might want to keep him in the monors this year to extend their control over him and might want a veteran to stick in their and get them outs for the rest of this year. Penny would be ideal in that regards.

[nickagneta]

I'm gonna stick with a potent bat....

I think the starting staff is fine and the bullpen is deep. If I'm gonna trade top prospects I would go after a hitter that other teams don't want to pitch to.

we have a lot of good hitters, but not many that strike fear into opposing pitchers and managers.

that's the need in my book.

and as per some of my other posts, I'd like that to be Hanley.

Come on, the Marlins are in the thick of things in the NL Least and are not going to deal their franchise cornerstone while they are contending and have a pathetically small payroll.

Although a bat would be nice I think Big Matt hit the nail on the head with the Overbay. He's the type of hitter the Sox like and as long as Papi's bat continues to recover, Youk and Pedroia are around and Bay stays hot, they have all the major fearful wood in the middle of that lineup as they need, especially if their top 4 pitchers in the postseason are Halladay, Lester, Beckett and Wakefield.

[hpantazo]

would they trade him in their own division?

[nickagneta]

would they trade him in their own division?

That's a good question. But remember, they sent Roger to the Yankees so its not unprecedented in Blue Jays history to deal stars in division.

[winsomme]

I'm gonna stick with a potent bat....

I think the starting staff is fine and the bullpen is deep. If I'm gonna trade top prospects I would go after a hitter that other teams don't want to pitch to.

we have a lot of good hitters, but not many that strike fear into opposing pitchers and managers.

that's the need in my book.

and as per some of my other posts, I'd like that to be Hanley.

Come on, the Marlins are in the thick of things in the NL Least and are not going to deal their franchise cornerstone while they are contending and have a pathetically small payroll.

Although a bat would be nice I think Big Matt hit the nail on the head with the Overbay. He's the type of hitter the Sox like and as long as Papi's bat continues to recover, Youk and Pedroia are around and Bay stays hot, they have all the major fearful wood in the middle of that lineup as they need, especially if their top 4 pitchers in the postseason are Halladay, Lester, Beckett and Wakefield.

The Marlins love young players. and it's not like we are trading them players years away from the Bigs.

Clay and Masterson would step right into their staff.....

Add in Lowrie and this trade could actually help them this season.