Should Red Sox trade for Roy Halladay??

[nickagneta]

Does anybody else think Bucholz will have a Casey Fossum esqe career?  Well... maybe not that bad. I know Bucholz has a better set of tools at his disposal and has piched a no hitter, but I don't see him getting any better from where he is now.  After the no hitter he has struggled immensely at the major league level and Tek (who apparently is a master game caller) couldn't straigten him out.  He has had some solid outings since he has been called up though.

Not Casey Fossum like but I could see him having a very Jeff Suppan like career.

[MBz]

Does anybody else think Bucholz will have a Casey Fossum esqe career?  Well... maybe not that bad. I know Bucholz has a better set of tools at his disposal and has piched a no hitter, but I don't see him getting any better from where he is now.  After the no hitter he has struggled immensely at the major league level and Tek (who apparently is a master game caller) couldn't straigten him out.  He has had some solid outings since he has been called up though.

His issue is he will not get any better by staying in the minors.  He needs to be brought up if we want to see him develop into an ace.  Personally, I don't want to give him for Halladay.  They would be giving up quite a bit for a 32 year old pitcher who has thrown close to 2000 innings already.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Does anybody else think Bucholz will have a Casey Fossum esqe career?  Well... maybe not that bad. I know Bucholz has a better set of tools at his disposal and has piched a no hitter, but I don't see him getting any better from where he is now.  After the no hitter he has struggled immensely at the major league level and Tek (who apparently is a master game caller) couldn't straigten him out.  He has had some solid outings since he has been called up though.

His issue is he will not get any better by staying in the minors.  He needs to be brought up if we want to see him develop into an ace.  Personally, I don't want to give him for Halladay.  They would be giving up quite a bit for a 32 year old pitcher who has thrown close to 2000 innings already.

32 years old, he has plenty of career left in him.

[MBz]

I am more worried about the innings, 2000 innings pitched at this point in his career is a lot.  Schilling finished his 20 seasons with just over 3000 innings pitched, halladay will have 2000 by the end of his 11th season.  I just do not see the need for going after another pitcher, they havn't been pushed out of first place because of their pitching.  The issue has been the bats, Bay and Drew aren't hitting, their lack of production has been the main issue.  Baldelli should be getting a lot more playing time then he is.  I understand he can't go back to back games, but he is hardly playing at all.  The pitching has been fine, even with the injuries.  There is no reason to trade two guys who can be in the rotation next year.  I understand pitching wins games, but the sox pitching has not been bad.  Lester is back to his normal self with the month of June and July his ERA is below 2.  Let him and Beckett be the aces of this team. 

[Big_Matt34]

From Ed Price on twitter,

@ed_price Source: #BlueJays trying to get #RedSox to take Alex Rios (signed thru 2014) as part of Halladay deal

If we are getting back Rios i wonder if Theo would add Ellsbury to the package with Buchholz as thered be no use for him with Rios in CF. I like Ellsbury but id be tempted as it means we'd have to give up less back by taking on Rios' contract. Buchholz/Ellsbury/medium prospect for Halladay/Rios or something like that.

[Rondo2287]

rios has good but he hasnt performed up to what he is getting paid.  Can he play center? Also he has a no trade clause

[Big_Matt34]

rios has good but he hasnt performed up to what he is getting paid.  Can he play center? Also he has a no trade clause

He plays CF whenever VErnon Wells is out and plays it well, i think he'd waive the NTC to get out of Toronto and onto a contender. He has an ugly deal but i think id do it to get Halladay. I like Jacoby but the Sox have REdick and Kalish in AA and while Ellsbury steals alot of bases and has a good average he still doesnt walk/get on base, Rios doesnt either but Halladay/Rios>>Buchholz/Ellsbury.

I think theyd still have to give up Buchholz as i highly doubt Ellsbury can be a centerpiece of a deal but i think Buchholz/Ellsbury/lower tier prospect can get it done. That way you get Halladay and keep the farm system in tact while getting another CF to replace Ellsbury.

[Redz]

Roy's on Roids 

[Chris]

If they want to send us Rios, I say we offer Bucholtz, Drew (plus cash to pay for say, 1/3 of his remaining deal), Bowden, and one of the second tier positional prospects like Kalish.

[Big_Matt34]

If they want to send us Rios, I say we offer Bucholtz, Drew (plus cash to pay for say, 1/3 of his remaining deal), Bowden, and one of the second tier positional prospects like Kalish.

They would have zero interest in Drew, they would only trade Rios to dump his contact, theres no way theyd take another big deal back even if the Sox pay some of it. Id be fine giving up Ellsbury along with Buchholz because at most you'd have to average one medium prospect back. Also, Drew even in a big down year has a .811 OPS with good defense in RF.

Buchholz/Ellsbury/Stephen Fife for Halladay/Rios, go the rest of this year with a lineup and rotation of

Drew
Pedroia
Youkilis
Ortiz
Bay
Lowell
Rios
Varitek
Lowrie

Halladay
Beckett
Lester
Wakefield
Smoltz/Penny/Dice-K

That be hard to say no to. You lose Ellsburys steals but you get some power from Rios who has a career .918 OPS at Fenway in 38 games, and he does have 18 steals himself along with a cannon of an arm from the outfield which would be nice.

[Chris]

If they want to send us Rios, I say we offer Bucholtz, Drew (plus cash to pay for say, 1/3 of his remaining deal), Bowden, and one of the second tier positional prospects like Kalish.

They would have zero interest in Drew, they would only trade Rios to dump his contact, theres no way theyd take another big deal back even if the Sox pay some of it. Id be fine giving up Ellsbury along with Buchholz because at most you'd have to average one medium prospect back. Also, Drew even in a big down year has a .811 OPS with good defense in RF.

I understand this, but I am saying that I have no interest in Rios unless he is our everyday right fielder.  He is NOT a center fielder, and neither is Drew.  So unless they take Drew (and the Sox would pay part of his contract, so they are still saving money over the length of Rios' deal), there is no way I think the Sox should take on Rios.

Anyways, Halladay is a luxury for the Sox.  I have no problem with them sending a package headlined by Bucholtz and Bowden (who I think is overrated), plus another lesser prospect or two.  But if they start sending one of their better young everyday players, just so they can get back an overpaid disapointment to play out of positions...no thanks.

[Big_Matt34]

I understand this, but I am saying that I have no interest in Rios unless he is our everyday right fielder.  He is NOT a center fielder, and neither is Drew. 

Rios over the last 2 years in CF has been great defensively, he has obviously played less out there than Ellsbury but he has a higher UZR rating, range rating, and obviously the much better arm. He actually played CF just as much as Ellsbury last year, 522 innings for him and 546 for Jacoby and Rios was much, much better. Id feel completely comfortable with him in CF for us. Now of course a deal is unlikely but i'd love to see it go down. Halladay also would be a luxury in a way but right now the Sox only have 2 dependable starters and who knows what Wakefield will do when he is back, the Sox will not make the postseason with this rotation IMO so if they can get the best pitcher in baseball id do it.

Here are the fielding stats

http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Blue%20Jays&pos=cf&stats=fld&qual=0&type=0&season=2009&month=0


http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Red%20Sox&pos=cf&stats=fld&qual=0&type=0&season=2009&month=0

[Rondo2287]

FYI

Yahoo's Tim Brown sees the Dodgers and Red Sox as the frontrunners for Doc in what is shaping up as a two-team race.  Brown says the only Major Leaguer in the Dodgers' offer is James McDonald, while the Sox will part with Clay Buchholz, one of Justin Masterson, Michael Bowden, and Lars Anderson, and some lesser prospects.  My guess is that the Red Sox find a way to get this done, given the quality they're already offering.

[KG_ended_Bias]

Why do you Boston Sports lovers assume you need every big name that surface on the trade market? Are you guys EVER happy with the team you have. Losing the Division lead with 70 games to play doesn't mean panic time & mortgaging the future!

[BudweiserCeltic]

Why do you Boston Sports lovers assume you need every big name that surface on the trade market? Are you guys EVER happy with the team you have. Losing the Division lead with 70 games to play doesn't mean panic time & mortgaging the future!

The future is overrated.