Marbury on the way out!

[timepiece33]

Marbury made a mistake.  He should have taken the offer.  When it comes right down to it, he had the opportunity to be a part of this program and passed.   

[Steve Weinman]

I'd be narcissistic to if I was a better PG than any PG who has ever played for the Celtics.

I'm not sure how that's germane to any conversation about Stephon Marbury.

-sw

[Evantime34]

Marbury made a mistake.  He should have taken the offer.  When it comes right down to it, he had the opportunity to be a part of this program and passed.   

I doubt it was a take it or leave it offer. I bet if he decides to come back to it, the offer will be waiting for him.

[Fafnir]

I'd be narcissistic to if I was a better PG than any PG who has ever played for the Celtics.

Cousy, Tiny, Johnson, and Rondo are all confused by your statement.

[timepiece33]

Marbury made a mistake.  He should have taken the offer.  When it comes right down to it, he had the opportunity to be a part of this program and passed.   

I doubt it was a take it or leave it offer. I bet if he decides to come back to it, the offer will be waiting for him.

Depends.  I would guess that we have some minimum FA's targeted at the PG position.  Once one of them sign, the opportunity is most likely gone.

[Steve Weinman]

I'd be narcissistic to if I was a better PG than any PG who has ever played for the Celtics.

Cousy, Tiny, Johnson, and Rondo are all confused by your statement.

Thanks for more clearly (and perhaps gently?) saying what I was going for.  Fafnir doing Fafnir things...

-sw

[guava_wrench]

Marbury made a mistake.  He should have taken the offer.  When it comes right down to it, he had the opportunity to be a part of this program and passed.   

No, he's testing the market. That is the smart move.

[Steve Weinman]

Much as it pains me to wave goodbye to a player with long-term baggage who also would have ranked 328th out of 329 on the true shooting leaderboard had he played enough minutes to qualify

-sw

Who was the worst?

Sorry, Who, stepped away from the computer for a couple hours - which means I'm sure knowing you that you've got it already  - but the answer is Chuck Hayes.

-sw

Wow ... Chuck Hayes was worse than Marbury. I wouldn't have guessed that, I wouldn't have guessed anyone was worse than Marbury last season. Thanks Steve.

Chuck Hayes TS% for last four seasons -- 59%, 59%, 51% and 37% last season -- what the heck happened to Chuck Hayes last season?

Jump shots -- 33% of total shots were jumpers last season, compared to only 11% in his last very good TS% season. He made only 19% of his jumpers this year compared to 39% three seasons ago.

Interior shots -- Dropped from 60% accuracy to 46%

Chuck Hayes died across the board ... I think he misses all those easy baskets Tracy McGrady used to create for him. That, or you know, everybody bothered scouting him for the first time in his career!

That bolded statement made me laugh at my computer screen - probably because it's sadly true.  Thanks, Who.

Happy to help, although like I said, usually if you ask something like that and I'm away from the computer for more than a few seconds, I figure I won't be much help anymore - because you've got the answer and an analysis of it waiting when I get back (this is of course a good, thing).

Another interesting Hayes thought: His TS dropped precipitously each of the last two seasons (although obviously 2008-09 was more severe) to 51.2 and 37.5 after going 58.9 and 58.7 in his first two seasons.  Interestingly, that paralleled significant drops in his offensive rebound rate, from an average close to 14.5 in his first two seasons to 9.6 last year and 10.5 this year.  Given how awful he is offensively more than a step from the basket just from observation, I'd think fewer garbage buckets around the rim that he creates for himself probably have something to do with it, too.

Another question then - why did the ORR drop so much?  Did teams start boxing him out?  Did he not crash as hard?  Did the Rockets start playing him further from the bucket?  If it's the latter...why?  They have to know that his skillset isn't built to do much away from the bucket...

I wish I could say I'd watched Hayes closely *enough* to make a judgment about his ORR dropping, but I really don't know what explanation hits closest to the truth there.

And don't worry, Who, he wasn't much better than Steph, as you saw.  Just two-tenths of a percentage point.  Ugh.

-sw

[vjcsmoke]

This is a bigger deal than some think.  Marbury, if he finds his game, gives us another elite talent off the bench.  With every other team stacking up, that's very important.

I just don't think he's an elite talent anymore.
But best of luck to him wherever he lands.
At least he didn't burn bridges on the way out.
Classy comments.

Anyways I thought that backup PG was a need even before I heard the news about Marbury not coming back.

Are we hoping that Hudson can be ready for some minutes or will we be making a move at the deadline for another PG?

[Amir]

This move by Marbury is insane.  If I'm understanding this correctly he wanted more than league min. but, probably wouldn't have balked at 3 million a year ( he's not worth it ).  Didn't he just take a massive payout to leave NY last year for nothing.  He's that financially strapped that he would risk being on a winner where he can prove he's much better than he played last year to test the market.  

Unless there is more to this story this guy just doesn't have a clue, IMO.

I don't even see a significant drop off if Boston plays Pruitt in his spot.  At worst he can dribble the ball up the court and spot up for open 3's.  And he can't be any worse on defense. 

Just about says it.

[star18]

Oh stop being a baby Star and sign your contract, win your title(s), play with your hero KG.  Going to Golden State or wherever for a couple extra happy meals isn't worth.  Stay in Boston.  Be the legend you are supposed to be.  We are going to get Sheed and crush teams, be a part of the banners, be a part of the legacy.  LET'S GO STAR!!

[BASS_THUMPER]

i know i love "the ball dont lie"

but was he really ballin in the sweep in the playoffs?...

hot and cold 3pt, look at refs wrong = tech f....im not gettin my hopes up on sumthin they may not help us


get lafrentz back and have him and scal our one two punch off the bench

[vagrantwade]

I'd wait and see exactly why he isn't signing.

All we have is Marc spears saying it is a disappointing offer and Marbury thanking Boston.

[timpiker]

I fully expect him to be back.  We offerred the vet min and he'll go shopping and find out he can't do much better than that...then in about a month, DA will sign him for the vet min or maybe the LLE if its still available.

[timepiece33]

Marbury made a mistake.  He should have taken the offer.  When it comes right down to it, he had the opportunity to be a part of this program and passed.   

No, he's testing the market. That is the smart move.

If he gets the LLE from a contender. Yes.   However, he is really putting his possibilities in Boston in danger AND this is a good situation for him.   With Wallace waiting, I wouldn't be shocked to see us sign a SF to the LLE and bring in a PG at the minimum.