Celtics going after Amare Stoudamire ?

[Chris]

If Boston cant get Stoudemire, I say we trade up in the draft to maybe the 10-14 range & draft B.J. Mullens. That is 7'1 legit size we need, plus he is talented enough that if he stayed in college 1 more season he would be a top 3 pick.

I go back and forth on Mullens.  I think he absolutely has star potential, but he also has bust written all over him. 

I would only pick him if he ends up slipping to a pick where the C's didn't have to give up any real assets...and even then I would be hesitant. 

I don't think the C's have much room on their roster for another project, but from the little I have seen of Mullens he does seem at least better prepared for the NBA than POB.  If they can get him for nothing but some cash, then it wouldn't be the worth thing in the world.

I would send a couple of million to the Hornets for the 21st pick in order to take a shot at Mullens. Of course I would want Danny to then jettison one of the projects already on the roster like trading away Giddens for a future second rounder or just cutting Pruitt. I think three projects on this team is enough.

Well, I personally think Pruitt won't be back next year, but I also wouldn't mind if they got rid of Giddens as well. 

[Vermont Green]

I think a trade with Washington that involves Ray and the #5 pick makes a lot of sense.  The Wiz would have Arenas and Ray in the backcourt plus Butler, Jamison, and Haywood (unless he is in the deal to make the salaries work).  What is wrong with that?  Plus Washington has expiring deals that we would need to send along to Pho.  Anything this complicated is always a longshot but this is not unrealistic imo.

Stoudemire makes about $3.5M less than Ray next year but then can opt out.  It would not shock me at all if Danny is trying to create a big three in the mold of the real big 3 (SF, PF, C).  Forget the future of Rondo and Amare, just think of the next couple of years.

[BballTim]

Not necessarily Memphis , just someone in the top 5 or 6. I think BBD and Perk could get # 6 from Minny .

I think that would give Minny to many big men (Jefferson, Love, Smith, Perk, BBD) and not enought perimeter guys.

  Minny's an interesting partner. Admittedly I didn't see a ton of them last year, but there are some interesting possibilities. Perk and Scal for Miller and the pick, possibly followed by Ray and the pick and TA for Amare and Barbosa. He's on the bench and you start Amare/KG/Pierce/Miller/Rondo. Perk and Walker and get back the pick and Brewer or Carney, same Phoenix trade.

  Funny, but as I type these, I'm hoping we keep our starting five.

[ssspence]

Not necessarily Memphis , just someone in the top 5 or 6. I think BBD and Perk could get # 6 from Minny .

I think that would give Minny to many big men (Jefferson, Love, Smith, Perk, BBD) and not enought perimeter guys.

why on earth would we trade BBD and Perk for the 6th pick this year? why would we trade Perk for the 6th pick this year? i'm not sure I'd trade BBD for the 6th pikc this year, unless Hardin is there which he won't be...

[moiso]

We have the best team in the league right now and it's a scary thought to blow it all up.  I'd love to add a couple bench pieces and keep the core intact for another year.

[Tradetime]

Some of you are crazy. I know, I know, I love our starting 5 too, but you do not miss out on an opportunity to have THE BEST front court in the NBA. Amare has played center for a couple of years, and is athletic enough to bother the opposing center no matter who it is. If he can't stop the opposing center, you better believe he will have them tired from chasing him up and down the court and trying to stop his Offense. He is only 26, is as big as Dwight(but faster) and plays similar to KG(on offense). He can step out and knock down shots, he has handles for a big man and can take it in the lane(and FINISH, and BOY does he finish!). People say he'll demand the ball too much, but I doubt it. He played with Shaq who demands the ball WAYYY more than KG does in the post and still put up 20 and 8. KG is the best passing bigman right now, so all those easy buckets for Perk, would be EASY DUNKS for Amare. But enough of me telling you, let me show you.

This is a RECENT mix...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtprtyyntxA


And a mix of his earlier years and recent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKpRcLE0UIM



He dunks on everybody and anything in his way, is as aggressive as KG, has the KG-ish fadeaway, and even blocks some of the leagues best Centers. If he's not doing that, he's dunking on Bynum, Yao, Dwight, Gasol, does not matter. If it takes Ray and Perk plus bench players to get him, DO IT! As long as we get either J Rich, Barbosa, or a very good starting SG somehow. And ofcourse the most important thing, is to sign him to an extension ALA KG before he comes here. Paul Pierce opts out next year, signs for less initially, and we re-sign Rondo. Pierce gets old, gets traded and bought out and finishes up in Boston with KG, Amare, Rondo, plus whoever they get when they trade him.

The fact that Wyc has stated that we could offer a max contract to someone next year strengthens the argument to me that we are more than likely making a deal draft day. We've heard the teams with interest in what we have, and it will be with one of them that we strike the deal with.

As shown in the video, Amare worked just fine in the halfcourt offense that was run in Phoenix this year with Shaq around.  He'd do just fine here as well.

[Kwhit10]

If Boston cant get Stoudemire, I say we trade up in the draft to maybe the 10-14 range & draft B.J. Mullens. That is 7'1 legit size we need, plus he is talented enough that if he stayed in college 1 more season he would be a top 3 pick.

I go back and forth on Mullens.  I think he absolutely has star potential, but he also has bust written all over him. 

I would only pick him if he ends up slipping to a pick where the C's didn't have to give up any real assets...and even then I would be hesitant. 

I don't think the C's have much room on their roster for another project, but from the little I have seen of Mullens he does seem at least better prepared for the NBA than POB.  If they can get him for nothing but some cash, then it wouldn't be the worth thing in the world.

I would send a couple of million to the Hornets for the 21st pick in order to take a shot at Mullens. Of course I would want Danny to then jettison one of the projects already on the roster like trading away Giddens for a future second rounder or just cutting Pruitt. I think three projects on this team is enough.

Chad Ford is saying the Bulls are most likely to grab Mullens which I think they 15 or 16.

[johnnyrondo]

It's funny that the two guys I least want to lose Perkins and Rondo are the names I keep hearing that Danny is floating out there. I mean I know they have the most value, but there's a reason. They're good and they're young. CP3 has a lot of value too, and Durant, and Roy, and Lebron, and Dwight Howard, but you don't see those teams trying to trade them. We have a great young pg and center, two hardest positions to fill. We should not be trying to move them. If Wyc doesn't want to pay them now. Let them play out a yr and see if they earn that contract. Worst case scenario is they play play really well and you have to pay them. Awful    I mean we traded Al Jefferson and draft picks for a 3 yr window. Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back.  I envision as the big three get older they becoming supporting players and us being lead by Rondo's triple doubles, Perk's defense and a young wing we will hopefully be able to pick up in the next yr or two.

We've been searching for a pg like Rondo for YEARS. Do we really want to lose him now? Over a few million? really?  And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? You have to be kidding me.

Don't over think Danny. You got the perfect storm with the tanking and the high pick and Seattle taking Robert Swift and making you settle for Al Jefferson and your friendship with McHale. When you try to out smart people you end up with JR Giddens or POB. Or trading for Wally or Raef. Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair. Or giving away Tony Battie and Eric williams for Ricky Davis. Just keep everyone and improve the bench with reliable players (no flyers) and go for #18.

[guava_wrench]

"Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back."

This is obviously wrong. A reason for why isn't even needed. Pointless generalization.

Comparing Perk and Rondo to the Durant, CP3, Roy, Howard, Lebron, etc is also way off base. They should be compared to lesser players. Compare Rondo to Devin Harris, for example.

"And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? Roll Eyes You have to be kidding me."

I would be horrified if a GM used this kind of logic. Perk is no Jim Rice. Rice is a borderline HOFer. Perk may never even be an all star.

"Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair."

Huh? In love with Telfair? I think you missed the point of that trade. Raef's contract was traded for Ratliff's shorter contract. Do you think Portland really wanted Raef? They agreed to take his contract in order to get Roy.

[footey]

"Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back."

This is obviously wrong. A reason for why isn't even needed. Pointless generalization.

Comparing Perk and Rondo to the Durant, CP3, Roy, Howard, Lebron, etc is also way off base. They should be compared to lesser players. Compare Rondo to Devin Harris, for example.

"And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? Roll Eyes You have to be kidding me."

I would be horrified if a GM used this kind of logic. Perk is no Jim Rice. Rice is a borderline HOFer. Perk may never even be an all star.

"Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair."

Huh? In love with Telfair? I think you missed the point of that trade. Raef's contract was traded for Ratliff's shorter contract. Do you think Portland really wanted Raef? They agreed to take his contract in order to get Roy.

I am tired of the defense of the Telfair for Roy trade. Yes, it unloaded Raef's two years for Theo's one, but let's be honest: Danny miscalculated Roy's value by a very wide margin. During the rookie season, when Roy was already making a name for himself, Ainge referred to him as a "nice player", but made it clear he did not think he would become an all star. Boy, way off. He also vastly over-rated Bassy. To say he could not have made the KG trade without the salary swap may be true, but more out of luck. No way Ainge knew he would be able to get KG following that trade. 

[Chris]

If Boston cant get Stoudemire, I say we trade up in the draft to maybe the 10-14 range & draft B.J. Mullens. That is 7'1 legit size we need, plus he is talented enough that if he stayed in college 1 more season he would be a top 3 pick.

Chad Ford also said that Maciej Lampe was going to be a top 5 pick. 

I am a big fan of Ford's, but I don't think his strength is in his mock drafts.

I go back and forth on Mullens.  I think he absolutely has star potential, but he also has bust written all over him. 

I would only pick him if he ends up slipping to a pick where the C's didn't have to give up any real assets...and even then I would be hesitant. 

I don't think the C's have much room on their roster for another project, but from the little I have seen of Mullens he does seem at least better prepared for the NBA than POB.  If they can get him for nothing but some cash, then it wouldn't be the worth thing in the world.

I would send a couple of million to the Hornets for the 21st pick in order to take a shot at Mullens. Of course I would want Danny to then jettison one of the projects already on the roster like trading away Giddens for a future second rounder or just cutting Pruitt. I think three projects on this team is enough.

Chad Ford is saying the Bulls are most likely to grab Mullens which I think they 15 or 16.

[BballTim]

"Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back."

This is obviously wrong. A reason for why isn't even needed. Pointless generalization.

Comparing Perk and Rondo to the Durant, CP3, Roy, Howard, Lebron, etc is also way off base. They should be compared to lesser players. Compare Rondo to Devin Harris, for example.

"And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? Roll Eyes You have to be kidding me."

I would be horrified if a GM used this kind of logic. Perk is no Jim Rice. Rice is a borderline HOFer. Perk may never even be an all star.

"Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair."

Huh? In love with Telfair? I think you missed the point of that trade. Raef's contract was traded for Ratliff's shorter contract. Do you think Portland really wanted Raef? They agreed to take his contract in order to get Roy.

I am tired of the defense of the Telfair for Roy trade. Yes, it unloaded Raef's two years for Theo's one, but let's be honest: Danny miscalculated Roy's value by a very wide margin. During the rookie season, when Roy was already making a name for himself, Ainge referred to him as a "nice player", but made it clear he did not think he would become an all star. Boy, way off. He also vastly over-rated Bassy. To say he could not have made the KG trade without the salary swap may be true, but more out of luck. No way Ainge knew he would be able to get KG following that trade. 

  Since Roy was the 6th (really the 7th) pick in the draft Ainge wasn't alone if he undervalued Roy. The four players picked ahead of him were Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams and Randy Foye. And keep in mind that Danny didn't know who was going to get drafted in what order. What if the Hawks had taken Roy? Would you be happy if we'd lost a chance to get Theo's contract in order to draft Shelden Williams?

  And Danny couldn't have been surprised when KG came available, it had been rumored. Claiming that acquiring the biggest expiring contract in the league in a year when players like Ray Allen, KG and Pau Gasol (and AI?) became available luck is quite a stretch. Also, don't underestimate the money involved. Teams give away 1st round picks to teams for taking less salary off of their hands.

[VPofCommonSense]

Bringing this back to the possbile deal for Amare... does anyone else find an Amare/KG frontcourt to to be a little perplexing?

I mean, neither of them prefers to work out of the low post, both of them have injury issues currently, both of them need a lot of shots... I mean I'm not saying, by any stretch that we shouldnt trade for a future great like Amare, but it's kind of an akward front court.  They both do similar things.

[Birdbrain]

It's funny that the two guys I least want to lose Perkins and Rondo are the names I keep hearing that Danny is floating out there. I mean I know they have the most value, but there's a reason. They're good and they're young. CP3 has a lot of value too, and Durant, and Roy, and Lebron, and Dwight Howard, but you don't see those teams trying to trade them. We have a great young pg and center, two hardest positions to fill. We should not be trying to move them. If Wyc doesn't want to pay them now. Let them play out a yr and see if they earn that contract. Worst case scenario is they play play really well and you have to pay them. Awful    I mean we traded Al Jefferson and draft picks for a 3 yr window. Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back.  I envision as the big three get older they becoming supporting players and us being lead by Rondo's triple doubles, Perk's defense and a young wing we will hopefully be able to pick up in the next yr or two.

We've been searching for a pg like Rondo for YEARS. Do we really want to lose him now? Over a few million? really?  And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? You have to be kidding me.

Don't over think Danny. You got the perfect storm with the tanking and the high pick and Seattle taking Robert Swift and making you settle for Al Jefferson and your friendship with McHale. When you try to out smart people you end up with JR Giddens or POB. Or trading for Wally or Raef. Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair. Or giving away Tony Battie and Eric williams for Ricky Davis. Just keep everyone and improve the bench with reliable players (no flyers) and go for #18.

You people still exist?  Everything that works out is luck but, when they don't it's bad moves.  Sounds logical.  Red Sox nation?

[Rondo_is_better]

It's funny that the two guys I least want to lose Perkins and Rondo are the names I keep hearing that Danny is floating out there. I mean I know they have the most value, but there's a reason. They're good and they're young. CP3 has a lot of value too, and Durant, and Roy, and Lebron, and Dwight Howard, but you don't see those teams trying to trade them. We have a great young pg and center, two hardest positions to fill. We should not be trying to move them. If Wyc doesn't want to pay them now. Let them play out a yr and see if they earn that contract. Worst case scenario is they play play really well and you have to pay them. Awful    I mean we traded Al Jefferson and draft picks for a 3 yr window. Any trade of Rondo or Perk is a step back.  I envision as the big three get older they becoming supporting players and us being lead by Rondo's triple doubles, Perk's defense and a young wing we will hopefully be able to pick up in the next yr or two.

We've been searching for a pg like Rondo for YEARS. Do we really want to lose him now? Over a few million? really?  And Perk should be like Robert Parish and remain a Celtic for many years. Perk's like the Jim Rice to Parish's Yaz. Thabeet? You have to be kidding me.

Don't over think Danny. You got the perfect storm with the tanking and the high pick and Seattle taking Robert Swift and making you settle for Al Jefferson and your friendship with McHale. When you try to out smart people you end up with JR Giddens or POB. Or trading for Wally or Raef. Or trading Brandon Roy b/c you're still in love with Telfair. Or giving away Tony Battie and Eric williams for Ricky Davis. Just keep everyone and improve the bench with reliable players (no flyers) and go for #18.

You people still exist?  Everything that works out is luck but, when they don't it's bad moves.  Sounds logical.  Red Sox nation?

How about everything that work out is skill, but everything that doesn't is bad luck. Sounds illogical too.