Celtics going after Amare Stoudamire ?

[rondohondo]

So I have a strange feeling that Danny is going to try and go after Amare Stoudamire hard on draft day or shortly after.

Why I think this has a chance of happening

1) It appears that the Phoenix Suns are trying to move
          up in the draft to acquire Tyreke Evans .

http://ktar.com/?sid=1179562&nid=624

On the draft front, Phoenix would love to move up to have a shot at Memphis' Tyreke Evans or Davidson's Stephen Curry, but if they stay at 14 there are several players they have their eyes on right now, including Louisville's Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, Wake Forest's James Johnson, Duke's Gerald Henderson or North Carolina's Wayne Ellington.

Thats funny because what we have been hearing is that Danny Ainge love Tyreke Evans for some strange reason . hmmmmmmm

2) According to Marc Spears the Celtics offered the Grizzlies Perk and Walker for #2 .

That means with Perk gone we would have a big hole at Center. Now I know Stoudamire is really a PF, but played the first 5 years of his career as a Center . There are really no Centers in the East besides Dwight Howard, but if Gasol and Bynum can hold him in check I feel pretty confident KG and Stoudamire could control him.


3) Today they are saying that Stoudamire for a high pick and expiring contracts has a good chance of going down

I'm hearing a deal, which would revolve around Phoenix's Amar'e Stoudemire and the Wizards' top pick, has a decent chance of going down.

http://my.journaltimes.com/post/woelfel-world-of-sports/draft_winds_change_for_bucks.html

4) It looks like Phoenix is looking to move Richardson for cap space ...
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=335

Matthew in :
The Birdman is the 6th man every team should need. Espacialy the Suns!Defense and explosivity.I would love to see him playing with Nash and Stat!!Let's send Richardson somewhere to clear cap space, and sign him (plus Dahntay Jones.. ^^)

Thomas Beer:
Yup – most every team in the league would love to have Anderson's energy, shot-blocking, rebounding, and weak-side defensive help coming off their bench.
Which means he'll get plenty of interest and plenty of offers.  And that's bad news for the Suns, who aren't going top outbid anybody.
Suns would like to move J-Rich to save money, but that contract ($27+ million over the next two seasons) is real tough to move.

So connect the Dots

1.- Celtics trying to get a high draft pick and are 
           rumored to like Tyreke Evans
         
         - The Suns would be willing to move Stoudamire for a 
          high draft pick and rumored to like Tyreke Evans or
          someone else up higher in the lottery.

2 - Perk has been offered for the #2 Pick which would
          leave a hole at Center
         
          - Why would the Celtics move Perk unless they   
            thought they could acquire someone who is better
           and a franchise type player. That would be
            Stoudamire.

3 The suns would like Expiring contracts in return and the Celtics have one of the biggest expiring contracts this year with Ray Allen and they get rid of Richardson's contract along with Stoudamire.


If the Celtics were somehow able to acquire a top 5-10 pick for say Perk, Walker and BBD( S+T) , then they could do this trade with Phoenix..

Bos sends: Ray , Scal , Giddens + Top 5-10 Pick

Pho sends: Stoudamire, Richardson


Why for Boston

Boston gets a franchise type big man. in 2007-08 Stoudamire averaged 28 PPG after the all-star break and was the most efficient scorer in the league . They also get a good SG to replace Ray with in the starting lineup who would now be the 5th option behind PP, Stoudamire, KG and Rondo.

PG: Rondo          / Marbury ( Vet Min)
SG: Richardson     / House
SF: Pierce         / Grant Hill ( Vet Min)
PF: KG             / McDyess  ( LLE)
 C: Stoudamire     / Zaza ( MLE

Why for Phoenix

According to a lot of Articles the Suns are looking for a high draft pick and cap space for Stoudamire. This trade would solve both problems. They get a top 5-10 pick so they can draft Tyreke Evans , They get 20+ MIL in expiring contracts and save about 31 MIL over the next 2 years.

This trade would also give Phoenix a TON of cap space for the 2010 Free Agents. They will have over 40 MIL in cap space if they just let Nash Ray and Shaq's contract expire .

[MBz]

I understand the concept, but I just do not see anyone giving us a 5-10 pick for Perk and Bill Walker.

[bobdelt]

I was thinking the same thing this morning. I would also like Barbosa from the suns - although I dont think they'll give him up. Because of Amare's injuries and stupidity regarding them, I think we should get Barbosa too because Amare is a gamble.

Amare refused to get MRI's before his knee injuries - and then after his first eye injury, he stopped wearing goggles after 8 games, and then suffered a much worse injury. I question his commitment, but [dang] he is good when healthy.

[Kwhit10]

Maybe Ainge loves Tyreke Evans for the same reason the Suns do...He's a good player they would like on their teams.

[Evantime34]

I think he (Evans) going to be a bust, I really like Harden a lot more. If we do trade Ray and Rondo for Amare we better not have to add in a high pick.

[rondohondo]

Maybe Ainge loves Tyreke Evans for the same reason the Suns do...He's a good player they would like on their teams.

He offered Perk for #2 . There is no way they are giving up Perkins for a rookie SG or Big man. The Idea is obviously to then swing the pick for a franchise type big man to replace Perk.

[KungPoweChicken]

If this trade went down, I guess the C's really don't care about the luxury tax.

[rondohondo]

If this trade went down, I guess the C's really don't care about the luxury tax.

well if you can team up Stoudamire with KG and PP without giving up Rondo, you have to bite the bullet and pay the money.
We would still be a contending team now and Have a 26 year old franchise PF and a 22 year old top 5 PG. You can't pass that up .

Also if Pierce opts out the Celtics can sign him to an extension for less money per year .

[wdleehi]

This could be a idea in the back of the Celtics mind.


But it would be a longshot at best. 

[amenhotep04]

Interesting 'connecting the dots' on your part.  It does make sense.  You make a convincing case, though I keep thinking we could keep Perk and still get Amare. Having Perk, KG, and Amare would mean dividing up 96 minutes for three people.  That's easily doable, even for Doc.  It would seem that BBD would be cut loose.

Can you also tell me where Jimmy Hoffa is?

[wdleehi]

Interesting 'connecting the dots' on your part.  It does make sense.  You make a convincing case, though I keep thinking we could keep Perk and still get Amare. Having Perk, KG, and Amare would mean dividing up 96 minutes for three people.  That's easily doable, even for Doc.  It would seem that BBD would be cut loose.

Can you also tell me where Jimmy Hoffa is?

I think the high pick is the key now for Amare.  Phoenix needs to get back more then cap relief. 

[rondohondo]

Interesting 'connecting the dots' on your part.  It does make sense.  You make a convincing case, though I keep thinking we could keep Perk and still get Amare. Having Perk, KG, and Amare would mean dividing up 96 minutes for three people.  That's easily doable, even for Doc.  It would seem that BBD would be cut loose.

Can you also tell me where Jimmy Hoffa is?

I think the high pick is the key now for Amare.  Phoenix needs to get back more then cap relief. 

yea if it came down to giving up Rondo or Perk for Stoudamire it has to be Perk. Rondo does so many more things than Perk and a PG/PF duo of Rondo and Stoudamire would be deadly for the next 10+ seasons .

[wdleehi]

Interesting 'connecting the dots' on your part.  It does make sense.  You make a convincing case, though I keep thinking we could keep Perk and still get Amare. Having Perk, KG, and Amare would mean dividing up 96 minutes for three people.  That's easily doable, even for Doc.  It would seem that BBD would be cut loose.

Can you also tell me where Jimmy Hoffa is?

I think the high pick is the key now for Amare.  Phoenix needs to get back more then cap relief. 

yea if it came down to giving up Rondo or Perk for Stoudamire it has to be Perk. Rondo does so many more things than Perk and a PG/PF duo of Rondo and Stoudamire would be deadly for the next 10+ seasons .

True.  Amare has to buy into what the Celtics do.  Defense. 


Being shoulder to shoulder with KG could go a long way towards that.

[rondohondo]

Interesting 'connecting the dots' on your part.  It does make sense.  You make a convincing case, though I keep thinking we could keep Perk and still get Amare. Having Perk, KG, and Amare would mean dividing up 96 minutes for three people.  That's easily doable, even for Doc.  It would seem that BBD would be cut loose.

Can you also tell me where Jimmy Hoffa is?

I think the high pick is the key now for Amare.  Phoenix needs to get back more then cap relief. 

yea if it came down to giving up Rondo or Perk for Stoudamire it has to be Perk. Rondo does so many more things than Perk and a PG/PF duo of Rondo and Stoudamire would be deadly for the next 10+ seasons .

True.  Amare has to buy into what the Celtics do.  Defense. 


Being shoulder to shoulder with KG could go a long way towards that.

Yea thats what I'm thinking and I think Amare has it in him to be a good defender. He is a very tough and aggressive player on offense, there is no reason he shouldn't be able to do the same on defense. Especially with KG in his ear every day .

[Chris]

Interesting 'connecting the dots' on your part.  It does make sense.  You make a convincing case, though I keep thinking we could keep Perk and still get Amare. Having Perk, KG, and Amare would mean dividing up 96 minutes for three people.  That's easily doable, even for Doc.  It would seem that BBD would be cut loose.

Can you also tell me where Jimmy Hoffa is?

I think the high pick is the key now for Amare.  Phoenix needs to get back more then cap relief. 

yea if it came down to giving up Rondo or Perk for Stoudamire it has to be Perk. Rondo does so many more things than Perk and a PG/PF duo of Rondo and Stoudamire would be deadly for the next 10+ seasons .

Right, and regardless of individual value, it just makes more sense to trade a big man for Amare, because it does not leave as much of a hole as it would if they traded both backcourt starters.

Honestly, I think this is an interesting trade.  It makes more sense than the one I had proposed yesterday where we got back Barbosa.  Richardson could step right in for Ray, and be a decent replacement, and only has one extra year on his contract, while Barbosa would be a very expensive backup PG.

True.  Amare has to buy into what the Celtics do.  Defense. 


Being shoulder to shoulder with KG could go a long way towards that.

This obviously is the biggest question in any Amare trade (assuming he gets a clean bill of health).  I am really of the opinion that Amare didn't play defense, because he was never asked to, or held accountable when he didnt.  The only time they actually asked him to play defense was at the beginning of last year, but because the whole team was against Porter, his teammates did not hold him accountable.  

Obviously, there is always a concern when a player like Amare has simply never done it.  But I am not ready to write him off as someone who CAN'T or WON'T play defense.  We have seen first hand what the change in culture of a team can do to players.  

Just look at Paul Pierce who completely stopped playing defense for about 3-4 years before KG came in and reminded him that he used to be one of the best young defenders in the league.  

The fact that KG and Pierce would be here to hold him accountable would make a huge difference in his effort level on defense IMO.