Celtics going after Amare Stoudamire ?

[wdleehi]

So I have a strange feeling that Danny is going to try and go after Amare Stoudamire hard on draft day or shortly after.

Why I think this has a chance of happening

1) It appears that the Phoenix Suns are trying to move
          up in the draft to acquire Tyreke Evans.

http://ktar.com/?sid=1179562&nid=624

On the draft front, Phoenix would love to move up to have a shot at Memphis' Tyreke Evans or Davidson's Stephen Curry, but if they stay at 14 there are several players they have their eyes on right now, including Louisville's Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, Wake Forest's James Johnson, Duke's Gerald Henderson or North Carolina's Wayne Ellington.

Thats funny because what we have been hearing is that Danny Ainge love Tyreke Evans for some strange reason . hmmmmmmm

2) According to Marc Spears the Celtics offered the Grizzlies Perk and Walker for #2 . That means with Perk gone we would have a big hole at Center. Now I know Stoudamire is really a PF, but played the first 5 years of his career as a Center . There are really no Centers in the East besides Dwight Howard, but if Gasol and Bynum can hold him in check I feel pretty confident KG and Stoudamire could control him.


3) Today they are saying that Stoudamire for a high pick and expiring contracts has a good chance of going down

I'm hearing a deal, which would revolve around Phoenix's Amar'e Stoudemire and the Wizards' top pick, has a decent chance of going down.

http://my.journaltimes.com/post/woelfel-world-of-sports/draft_winds_change_for_bucks.html


So connect the Dots

1.- Celtics trying to get a high draft pick and are 
           rumored to like Tyreke Evans
         
         - The Suns would be willing to move Stoudamire for a 
          high draft pick and rumored to like Tyreke Evans or
          someone else up higher in the lottery.

2 - Perk has been offered for the #2 Pick which would
          leave a hole at Center
         
          - Why would the Celtics move Perk unless they   
            thought they could acquire someone who is better
           and a franchise type player. That would be
            Stoudamire.

3 The suns would like Expiring contracts in return and the Celtics have one of the biggest expiring contracts this year with Ray Allen.


If the Celtics were somehow able to acquire a top 5-10 pick for say Perk, Walker and BBD( S+T) , then they could do this trade with Phoenix..

Bos sends: Ray , Scal , Giddens + Top 5-10 Pick

Pho sends: Stoudamire, Richardson


Why for Boston

Boston gets a franchise type big man. in 2007-08 Stoudamire averaged 28 PPG after the all-star break and was the most efficient scorer in the league . They also get a good SG to replace Ray with in the starting lineup who would now be the 5th option behind PP, Stoudamire, KG and Rondo.

PG: Rondo          / Marbury ( Vet Min)
SG: Richardson     / House
SF: Pierce         / Grant Hill ( Vet Min)
PF: KG             / McDyess  ( LLE)
 C: Stoudamire     / Zaza ( MLE

Why for Phoenix

According to a lot of Articles the Suns are looking for a high draft pick and cap space for Stoudamire. This trade would solve both problems. They get a top 5-10 pick so they can draft Tyreke Evans , They get 20+ MIL in expiring contracts and save about 31 MIL over the next 2 years.

This trade would also give Phoenix a TON of cap space for the 2010 Free Agents. They will have over 40 MIL in cap space if they just let Nash Ray and Shaq's contract expire .

After re-reading this I have to ask this, how does Phoenix get the top 5 pick because at the moment they only have the 14th? It's all a nice sceario but you fail to mention how Phoenix gets a hold of the top 5 pick.

From Memphis who gave it to the Celtics for Perk.

(at least from what I understood)

[rondohondo]

So I have a strange feeling that Danny is going to try and go after Amare Stoudamire hard on draft day or shortly after.

Why I think this has a chance of happening

1) It appears that the Phoenix Suns are trying to move
          up in the draft to acquire Tyreke Evans.

http://ktar.com/?sid=1179562&nid=624

On the draft front, Phoenix would love to move up to have a shot at Memphis' Tyreke Evans or Davidson's Stephen Curry, but if they stay at 14 there are several players they have their eyes on right now, including Louisville's Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, Wake Forest's James Johnson, Duke's Gerald Henderson or North Carolina's Wayne Ellington.

Thats funny because what we have been hearing is that Danny Ainge love Tyreke Evans for some strange reason . hmmmmmmm

2) According to Marc Spears the Celtics offered the Grizzlies Perk and Walker for #2 . That means with Perk gone we would have a big hole at Center. Now I know Stoudamire is really a PF, but played the first 5 years of his career as a Center . There are really no Centers in the East besides Dwight Howard, but if Gasol and Bynum can hold him in check I feel pretty confident KG and Stoudamire could control him.


3) Today they are saying that Stoudamire for a high pick and expiring contracts has a good chance of going down

I'm hearing a deal, which would revolve around Phoenix's Amar'e Stoudemire and the Wizards' top pick, has a decent chance of going down.

http://my.journaltimes.com/post/woelfel-world-of-sports/draft_winds_change_for_bucks.html


So connect the Dots

1.- Celtics trying to get a high draft pick and are 
           rumored to like Tyreke Evans
         
         - The Suns would be willing to move Stoudamire for a 
          high draft pick and rumored to like Tyreke Evans or
          someone else up higher in the lottery.

2 - Perk has been offered for the #2 Pick which would
          leave a hole at Center
         
          - Why would the Celtics move Perk unless they   
            thought they could acquire someone who is better
           and a franchise type player. That would be
            Stoudamire.

3 The suns would like Expiring contracts in return and the Celtics have one of the biggest expiring contracts this year with Ray Allen.


If the Celtics were somehow able to acquire a top 5-10 pick for say Perk, Walker and BBD( S+T) , then they could do this trade with Phoenix..

Bos sends: Ray , Scal , Giddens + Top 5-10 Pick

Pho sends: Stoudamire, Richardson


Why for Boston

Boston gets a franchise type big man. in 2007-08 Stoudamire averaged 28 PPG after the all-star break and was the most efficient scorer in the league . They also get a good SG to replace Ray with in the starting lineup who would now be the 5th option behind PP, Stoudamire, KG and Rondo.

PG: Rondo          / Marbury ( Vet Min)
SG: Richardson     / House
SF: Pierce         / Grant Hill ( Vet Min)
PF: KG             / McDyess  ( LLE)
 C: Stoudamire     / Zaza ( MLE

Why for Phoenix

According to a lot of Articles the Suns are looking for a high draft pick and cap space for Stoudamire. This trade would solve both problems. They get a top 5-10 pick so they can draft Tyreke Evans , They get 20+ MIL in expiring contracts and save about 31 MIL over the next 2 years.

This trade would also give Phoenix a TON of cap space for the 2010 Free Agents. They will have over 40 MIL in cap space if they just let Nash Ray and Shaq's contract expire .

After re-reading this I have to ask this, how does Phoenix get the top 5 pick because at the moment they only have the 14th? It's all a nice sceario but you fail to mention how Phoenix gets a hold of the top 5 pick.

No I said if the Celtics could trade Perk, Walker and BBD ( S+T) for a top 5 or 6 pick, they could then swnd it away with Ray For Stoudamire and Richardson . It's in there right before the proposed trade.

[rondohondo]

So I have a strange feeling that Danny is going to try and go after Amare Stoudamire hard on draft day or shortly after.

Why I think this has a chance of happening

1) It appears that the Phoenix Suns are trying to move
          up in the draft to acquire Tyreke Evans.

http://ktar.com/?sid=1179562&nid=624

On the draft front, Phoenix would love to move up to have a shot at Memphis' Tyreke Evans or Davidson's Stephen Curry, but if they stay at 14 there are several players they have their eyes on right now, including Louisville's Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, Wake Forest's James Johnson, Duke's Gerald Henderson or North Carolina's Wayne Ellington.

Thats funny because what we have been hearing is that Danny Ainge love Tyreke Evans for some strange reason . hmmmmmmm

2) According to Marc Spears the Celtics offered the Grizzlies Perk and Walker for #2 . That means with Perk gone we would have a big hole at Center. Now I know Stoudamire is really a PF, but played the first 5 years of his career as a Center . There are really no Centers in the East besides Dwight Howard, but if Gasol and Bynum can hold him in check I feel pretty confident KG and Stoudamire could control him.


3) Today they are saying that Stoudamire for a high pick and expiring contracts has a good chance of going down

I'm hearing a deal, which would revolve around Phoenix's Amar'e Stoudemire and the Wizards' top pick, has a decent chance of going down.

http://my.journaltimes.com/post/woelfel-world-of-sports/draft_winds_change_for_bucks.html


So connect the Dots

1.- Celtics trying to get a high draft pick and are 
           rumored to like Tyreke Evans
         
         - The Suns would be willing to move Stoudamire for a 
          high draft pick and rumored to like Tyreke Evans or
          someone else up higher in the lottery.

2 - Perk has been offered for the #2 Pick which would
          leave a hole at Center
         
          - Why would the Celtics move Perk unless they   
            thought they could acquire someone who is better
           and a franchise type player. That would be
            Stoudamire.

3 The suns would like Expiring contracts in return and the Celtics have one of the biggest expiring contracts this year with Ray Allen.


If the Celtics were somehow able to acquire a top 5-10 pick for say Perk, Walker and BBD( S+T) , then they could do this trade with Phoenix..

Bos sends: Ray , Scal , Giddens + Top 5-10 Pick

Pho sends: Stoudamire, Richardson


Why for Boston

Boston gets a franchise type big man. in 2007-08 Stoudamire averaged 28 PPG after the all-star break and was the most efficient scorer in the league . They also get a good SG to replace Ray with in the starting lineup who would now be the 5th option behind PP, Stoudamire, KG and Rondo.

PG: Rondo          / Marbury ( Vet Min)
SG: Richardson     / House
SF: Pierce         / Grant Hill ( Vet Min)
PF: KG             / McDyess  ( LLE)
 C: Stoudamire     / Zaza ( MLE

Why for Phoenix

According to a lot of Articles the Suns are looking for a high draft pick and cap space for Stoudamire. This trade would solve both problems. They get a top 5-10 pick so they can draft Tyreke Evans , They get 20+ MIL in expiring contracts and save about 31 MIL over the next 2 years.

This trade would also give Phoenix a TON of cap space for the 2010 Free Agents. They will have over 40 MIL in cap space if they just let Nash Ray and Shaq's contract expire .

After re-reading this I have to ask this, how does Phoenix get the top 5 pick because at the moment they only have the 14th? It's all a nice sceario but you fail to mention how Phoenix gets a hold of the top 5 pick.

From Memphis who gave it to the Celtics for Perk.

(at least from what I understood)

Not necessarily Memphis , just someone in the top 5 or 6. I think BBD and Perk could get # 6 from Minny .

[wdleehi]

Not necessarily Memphis , just someone in the top 5 or 6. I think BBD and Perk could get # 6 from Minny .

I think that would give Minny to many big men (Jefferson, Love, Smith, Perk, BBD) and not enought perimeter guys.

[bobdelt]

You can't do that. BBD can't sign a contract until July.

[rondohondo]

Not necessarily Memphis , just someone in the top 5 or 6. I think BBD and Perk could get # 6 from Minny .

I think that would give Minny to many big men (Jefferson, Love, Smith, Perk, BBD) and not enought perimeter guys.

yea i know, well apparently they would be willing to move Love for the # 2 pick and pick thabeet. By doing this trade they will get a developed young starting center who has already played with Big AL for 3 years. They would have BBD to back him up and be able to move Love for a PG or wing

[Rondo_is_better]

This is a nice trade for both teams, but I still don't like it too much. This trade makes us very good for a long time...but will we be contenders with Rondo and Amare? Its questionable, and I still firmly believe that this Celtics team as currently constructed with a couple veteran role players can win the championship in 2010.

[nickagneta]

I don't see Boston getting a top pick for the package you put together.

#1 - LA - never happening, pencil in Blake Griffin
#2 - Memphis - has already said no to this
#3 - OKC - this been very little out there about them tading. I think they want to draft someone
#4 - Sacramento - is praying Rubio falls and are really looking for a PG. Boston's package would not interest them.
#5 - Wizards - the only guy that the Wiz would want from the C's is Ray Allen. Again the package proposed wouldn't do it.
#6 - Minnesota - isn't giving up the #6 for the package that you suggest because they have big guys Adding Perk and BBD to Big Al, Love, Craig Smith, Gomes makes zero sense.
#7 - Warriors - are looking for a PG
#8 - Knicks - will never trade with the Celtics and want to pencil in Stephen Curry in the worst way.
#9 - Raptors - are looking for wing help and are in love with DeMar DeRozan
#10 - does it even matter anymore? Are the Suns really going to trade up 2-4 spots when Evans will probably already be gone.

[KG_ended_Bias]

If Boston cant get Stoudemire, I say we trade up in the draft to maybe the 10-14 range & draft B.J. Mullens. That is 7'1 legit size we need, plus he is talented enough that if he stayed in college 1 more season he would be a top 3 pick.

[rondohondo]

I don't see Boston getting a top pick for the package you put together.

#1 - LA - never happening, pencil in Blake Griffin
#2 - Memphis - has already said no to this
#3 - OKC - this been very little out there about them tading. I think they want to draft someone
#4 - Sacramento - is praying Rubio falls and are really looking for a PG. Boston's package would not interest them.
#5 - Wizards - the only guy that the Wiz would want from the C's is Ray Allen. Again the package proposed wouldn't do it.
#6 - Minnesota - isn't giving up the #6 for the package that you suggest because they have big guys Adding Perk and BBD to Big Al, Love, Craig Smith, Gomes makes zero sense.
#7 - Warriors - are looking for a PG
#8 - Knicks - will never trade with the Celtics and want to pencil in Stephen Curry in the worst way.
#9 - Raptors - are looking for wing help and are in love with DeMar DeRozan
#10 - does it even matter anymore? Are the Suns really going to trade up 2-4 spots when Evans will probably already be gone.

I think that Minny would be willing to move the pick because their team is soo young already. They could get a championship caliber Center on a good team to put next to Big AL. They get BBD as a solid big off the bench only making about 4-5 MIL a year and it allows them to package Love with other players for a wing.

Another reason I think they would move the pick for this package is because they still have 2 other 1st round picks they could trade to move up and get someone they want in the 1st round.

[wiley]

I don't see Boston getting a top pick for the package you put together.

#1 - LA - never happening, pencil in Blake Griffin
#2 - Memphis - has already said no to this
#3 - OKC - this been very little out there about them tading. I think they want to draft someone
#4 - Sacramento - is praying Rubio falls and are really looking for a PG. Boston's package would not interest them.
#5 - Wizards - the only guy that the Wiz would want from the C's is Ray Allen. Again the package proposed wouldn't do it.
#6 - Minnesota - isn't giving up the #6 for the package that you suggest because they have big guys Adding Perk and BBD to Big Al, Love, Craig Smith, Gomes makes zero sense.
#7 - Warriors - are looking for a PG
#8 - Knicks - will never trade with the Celtics and want to pencil in Stephen Curry in the worst way.
#9 - Raptors - are looking for wing help and are in love with DeMar DeRozan
#10 - does it even matter anymore? Are the Suns really going to trade up 2-4 spots when Evans will probably already be gone.

#6 does make the most sense imo, in accord with OP.  Remove Love and you have a great rotation.  Baby as backup center to Perk and Gomes and Craig Smith as other bigs off the bench.  I don't think Minnesota would mind having a real center instead of a million PFs.

[EatSleepBreatheGreen]

Some of you are crazy. I know, I know, I love our starting 5 too, but you do not miss out on an opportunity to have THE BEST front court in the NBA. Amare has played center for a couple of years, and is athletic enough to bother the opposing center no matter who it is. If he can't stop the opposing center, you better believe he will have them tired from chasing him up and down the court and trying to stop his Offense. He is only 26, is as big as Dwight(but faster) and plays similar to KG(on offense). He can step out and knock down shots, he has handles for a big man and can take it in the lane(and FINISH, and BOY does he finish!). People say he'll demand the ball too much, but I doubt it. He played with Shaq who demands the ball WAYYY more than KG does in the post and still put up 20 and 8. KG is the best passing bigman right now, so all those easy buckets for Perk, would be EASY DUNKS for Amare. But enough of me telling you, let me show you.

This is a RECENT mix...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtprtyyntxA


And a mix of his earlier years and recent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKpRcLE0UIM



He dunks on everybody and anything in his way, is as aggressive as KG, has the KG-ish fadeaway, and even blocks some of the leagues best Centers. If he's not doing that, he's dunking on Bynum, Yao, Dwight, Gasol, does not matter. If it takes Ray and Perk plus bench players to get him, DO IT! As long as we get either J Rich, Barbosa, or a very good starting SG somehow. And ofcourse the most important thing, is to sign him to an extension ALA KG before he comes here. Paul Pierce opts out next year, signs for less initially, and we re-sign Rondo. Pierce gets old, gets traded and bought out and finishes up in Boston with KG, Amare, Rondo, plus whoever they get when they trade him.

[JHTruth]

A couple of things that concern me regarding STAT:

1) Obviously his eye is a huge issue
2) Playing without Steve Nash. The dunks are nice but so many of them are set up by perfect Nash passes. Almost anyone could dunk on one guy with a running start down the lane. Can he create a shot in the playoffs? Can you go to him consistently in the post? I'm not sure.
3) Is he a center? He always seemed to hate the C spot. That's why they brought in Shaq.
4) Will he commit to defense?

All these things will need to be considered..

[Chris]

If Boston cant get Stoudemire, I say we trade up in the draft to maybe the 10-14 range & draft B.J. Mullens. That is 7'1 legit size we need, plus he is talented enough that if he stayed in college 1 more season he would be a top 3 pick.

I go back and forth on Mullens.  I think he absolutely has star potential, but he also has bust written all over him. 

I would only pick him if he ends up slipping to a pick where the C's didn't have to give up any real assets...and even then I would be hesitant. 

I don't think the C's have much room on their roster for another project, but from the little I have seen of Mullens he does seem at least better prepared for the NBA than POB.  If they can get him for nothing but some cash, then it wouldn't be the worth thing in the world.

[nickagneta]

If Boston cant get Stoudemire, I say we trade up in the draft to maybe the 10-14 range & draft B.J. Mullens. That is 7'1 legit size we need, plus he is talented enough that if he stayed in college 1 more season he would be a top 3 pick.

I go back and forth on Mullens.  I think he absolutely has star potential, but he also has bust written all over him. 

I would only pick him if he ends up slipping to a pick where the C's didn't have to give up any real assets...and even then I would be hesitant. 

I don't think the C's have much room on their roster for another project, but from the little I have seen of Mullens he does seem at least better prepared for the NBA than POB.  If they can get him for nothing but some cash, then it wouldn't be the worth thing in the world.

I would send a couple of million to the Hornets for the 21st pick in order to take a shot at Mullens. Of course I would want Danny to then jettison one of the projects already on the roster like trading away Giddens for a future second rounder or just cutting Pruitt. I think three projects on this team is enough.