The C's should put an offer in for the #1 pick.

[ToppersBsktball10]

Is Blake Griffen the second coming of Tim Duncan???

I seen enough OU basketball to tell me, no he is not. Taking on the financial burden of Baron Davis' contract ain't worth the risk, especially giving up Rondo.

My answer is still a firm NO!

He's not Tim Duncan. But he's still a rare talent that comes along once in a great while.

Plus he's got amazing work ethic but still no way.

[Rondo_is_better]

Glenn Robinson never really stepped or won anything. Derrick Coleman and Isiah Rider scored a lot of points, too.


Kenyon Martin being the best player in his draft doesn't mean much. He's a role player either way.

[CoachBo]

Is Blake Griffen the second coming of Tim Duncan???

I seen enough OU basketball to tell me, no he is not. Taking on the financial burden of Baron Davis' contract ain't worth the risk, especially giving up Rondo.

My answer is still a firm NO!

He's not Tim Duncan. But he's still a rare talent that comes along once in a great while.

Plus he's got amazing work ethic but still no way.

Griffin's got tremendous upside.

Chuckle.

He has the following holes in his game: He needs a better offensive game outside 10 feet, and I don't like his effort at all on the defensive end.

Which puts him in the same boat, essentially, as Rondo.

[JSD]

The Clippers have "put it out there" that they are shopping the #1 pick and to teams that are willing to absorb Baron Davis and is large contract."

Clippers send:
Baron Davis
#1 pick

Celtics send:
Rajon Rondo
Scal
House
Tony Allen
Semih Erden
Pruitt

This gives the Clippers the best young back-court in the game with Gordon and Rondo and the "out" of Davis's contract. If there was a team crazy enough to make a trade like this it's the Clippers.

The Celtics get their future franchise player and Paul Pierce's buddy Baron.

C - Perk/Blake/Baby
PF - KG/Blake/Baby
SF - PP/ Grant Hill
SG - Ray Allen/Marbury/Walker
PG - Davis/Marbury

N/M

[JSD]

I whole heartily agree with Jeff's sentiments on this one.

Or as they say in my neck of the woods.


HELL NO!!!!!

Agreed! Shame to the OP

Nope, no shame here.

[JSD]

Not in his first season according to doc and paul, to the point where doc tells a stroy (to be fair, to show how far rajon has come) where he had to sit him down his first year and tell him that his teamates could not stand him.

 it's also been floated out there that he's kinda standoffish and comes of as arrogant sometimes to people.

Throw in the two late arrivals to playoff games and some people have concerns about his attitude. I don't really care about anything but the late arrivals to pivotal games, which better be an exception, not the rule.

Can I just add in that it's story's like this coupled with the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot and had questionable defense at best that makes me willing to part with him for a deal like this. Davis could replace Rondo IMO.

[CoachBo]

Rondo's game is on the upswing, no question. When he wants to - and that's key - he can be outstanding on both ends of the floor.

However, his jump shot needs work. His judgment with the basketball - primarily his willingess to push the ball and work it off the dribble - is wildly inconsistent. His defensive effort isn't consistent, and is at times unacceptable. And the season ended with some significant questions about his attitude.

This is a critical off-season for Rondo, IMO. I want to see some proof next fall that he's been willing to address the weaknesses in his game. I want to see a competent jump shooter who can't be disregarded on the offensive end. I NEVER AGAIN want to see him walk through a pick while his man buries a key three. I don't want to see the ole' defense out front that breaks down the bigs in front of the rim. Everyone from Celtics management to the fan base needs to be careful about overrating - and overpaying for - the current status of Rondo's game, IMO.

Equally critical will be to assess what Rondo and his agent think they're worth. If they want a max contract this summer, then that ratchets up my interest in moving him. I'm not willing at this point to pay max money for this skillset.

I still cannot find any proof that the Clippers are willing to move the pick, and would like to tie it to moving Baron's contract. But if they were, Rondo's game is not yet at a level where I would categorically refuse to listen.

[JSD]

Rondo's game is on the upswing, no question. When he wants to - and that's key - he can be outstanding on both ends of the floor.

However, his jump shot needs work. His judgment with the basketball - primarily his willingess to push the ball and work it off the dribble - is wildly inconsistent. His defensive effort isn't consistent, and is at times unacceptable. And the season ended with some significant questions about his attitude.

This is a critical off-season for Rondo, IMO. I want to see some proof next fall that he's been willing to address the weaknesses in his game. I want to see a competent jump shooter who can't be disregarded on the offensive end. I NEVER AGAIN want to see him walk through a pick while his man buries a key three. I don't want to see the ole' defense out front that breaks down the bigs in front of the rim. Everyone from Celtics management to the fan base needs to be careful about overrating - and overpaying for - the current status of Rondo's game, IMO.

I still cannot find any proof that the Clippers are willing to move the pick, and would like to tie it to moving Baron's contract. But if they were, Rondo's game is not yet at a level where I would categorically refuse to listen.

YEs Coachbo, well put and TP.

[JSD]

I still cannot find any proof that the Clippers are willing to move the pick, and would like to tie it to moving Baron's contract.

Here's what gave me the idea for this thread:

A number of GMs continue to insist that the Clippers want to move Baron Davis and might be open to moving the pick to Memphis or Oklahoma City if either is willing to take on Davis' contract as part of the deal. Both teams will have the cap room this summer to make it happen.(Chad Ford ESPN.com)

I understand the immediate relief the Clippers would get financially from striking a deal with Memphis or OKC which makes a deal with the Celtics in this fashion even less likely.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad%26page=Draf****ch-090521&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft2009%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dford_chad%26page%3dDraf****ch-090521

[Moranis]

Assuming the Clippers are actually shopping the pick and not requiring a top five pick in return, I could see something like below maybe working for both teams.

Ray Allen
Rajon Rondo

for

Baron Davis
Chris Kaman
#1

I'd certainly consider taking on Randolph instead of Kaman (scals and t. allen would need to be added for salary purposes), but would prefer Kaman as he fits better on the team (and before anyone says anything Randolph's attitude and "problems" are way overblown nationally, by most accounts he has been a great teammate and model citizen for much of his career).


At first glance it appears the C's are taking on a ton more salary, but realistically Rondo is probably getting a contract similar to Davis and if you re-sign Allen he won't be that much less than Kaman, so it really isn't a ton more salary unless you don't re-sign Allen or Rondo (I think the C's will re-sign both if they aren't traded).


Frankly I don't the Clippers are moving the #1 pick even for the #2 pick as the gap between Griffin and everyone else is just massive.

[LarBrd33]

Assuming the Clippers are actually shopping the pick and not requiring a top five pick in return, I could see something like below maybe working for both teams.

Ray Allen
Rajon Rondo

for

Baron Davis
Chris Kaman
#1

I'd certainly consider taking on Randolph instead of Kaman (scals and t. allen would need to be added for salary purposes), but would prefer Kaman as he fits better on the team (and before anyone says anything Randolph's attitude and "problems" are way overblown nationally, by most accounts he has been a great teammate and model citizen for much of his career).


At first glance it appears the C's are taking on a ton more salary, but realistically Rondo is probably getting a contract similar to Davis and if you re-sign Allen he won't be that much less than Kaman, so it really isn't a ton more salary unless you don't re-sign Allen or Rondo (I think the C's will re-sign both if they aren't traded).


Frankly I don't the Clippers are moving the #1 pick even for the #2 pick as the gap between Griffin and everyone else is just massive.

Ray Allen
Eddie House
Tony Allen
Brian Scalabrine
Bill Walker
Gabe Pruitt

for

Baron Davis
Zach Randolph
#1 pick

We do them a favor by taking two HORRIBLE contracts from them... giving them 28 million expiring contracts meaning they'll have a ridiculous amount of money to bring 3 "summer of 2010" superstars to La La land.

We also secretly come to an agreement that they buy out Ray Allen.

[Moranis]

Assuming the Clippers are actually shopping the pick and not requiring a top five pick in return, I could see something like below maybe working for both teams.

Ray Allen
Rajon Rondo

for

Baron Davis
Chris Kaman
#1

I'd certainly consider taking on Randolph instead of Kaman (scals and t. allen would need to be added for salary purposes), but would prefer Kaman as he fits better on the team (and before anyone says anything Randolph's attitude and "problems" are way overblown nationally, by most accounts he has been a great teammate and model citizen for much of his career).


At first glance it appears the C's are taking on a ton more salary, but realistically Rondo is probably getting a contract similar to Davis and if you re-sign Allen he won't be that much less than Kaman, so it really isn't a ton more salary unless you don't re-sign Allen or Rondo (I think the C's will re-sign both if they aren't traded).


Frankly I don't the Clippers are moving the #1 pick even for the #2 pick as the gap between Griffin and everyone else is just massive.

Ray Allen
Eddie House
Tony Allen
Brian Scalabrine
Bill Walker
Gabe Pruitt

for

Baron Davis
Zach Randolph
#1 pick

We do them a favor by taking two HORRIBLE contracts from them... giving them 28 million expiring contracts meaning they'll have a ridiculous amount of money to bring 3 "summer of 2010" superstars to La La land.

We also secretly come to an agreement that they buy out Ray Allen.

never happen.  they won't give up the #1 pick without Rondo, though in reality I'd probably do that trade without the #1 pick if they threw in Jordan (I really liked Jordan and I'd rather have a prospect as a big man than a wing like Walker).

[Roy Hobbs]

. . . they won't give up the #1 pick without Rondo . . .

They won't give up the #1 pick with Rondo, either.

[Chris]

. . . they won't give up the #1 pick without Rondo . . .

They won't give up the #1 pick with Rondo, either.

Really?  You don't think they would give up the #1 pick if they were getting rid of Baron and Randolphs (untradable) contracts, AND getting back Rondo?  I think they absolutely jump at that.

[Who]

I don't think Baron Davis is untradable.

I've seen a bunch of reports stating he is, but I think they're all wrong.