The C's should put an offer in for the #1 pick.

[Chris]

I don't think Baron Davis is untradable.

I've seen a bunch of reports stating he is, but I think they're all wrong.

Sorry, I didn't mean they were both untradable, just Randolph.  Davis is tradable...but still not great value.

[Who]

I don't think Baron Davis is untradable.

I've seen a bunch of reports stating he is, but I think they're all wrong.

Sorry, I didn't mean they were both untradable, just Randolph.  Davis is tradable...but still not great value.

Ah okay. I wasn't sure if you meant both or not.

On another note .... A lot of Clippers fans are talking about how Zach Randolph will be a trade asset in 12 months time as an expiring contract. In the scheme of things, considering they're rebuilding and have a rookie franchise player on the way ... I think those Clips fans have a good point, those 12 months between now and then are largely immaterial in the grand scheme of things, and are not worth giving up a significant piece over (in the rebuilding effort -- youth, picks).

[cordobes]

I don't think Baron Davis is untradable.

I've seen a bunch of reports stating he is, but I think they're all wrong.

Sorry, I didn't mean they were both untradable, just Randolph.  Davis is tradable...but still not great value.

Ah okay. I wasn't sure if you meant both or not.

On another note .... A lot of Clippers fans are talking about how Zach Randolph will be a trade asset in 12 months time as an expiring contract. In the scheme of things, considering they're rebuilding and have a rookie franchise player on the way ... I think those Clips fans have a good point, those 12 months between now and then are largely immaterial in the grand scheme of things, and are not worth giving up a significant piece over (in the rebuilding effort -- youth, picks).

Yeps. They should look for ways of unloading Randolph, but it's not a tragedy if they have to keep him this season. No need to downgrade talent because of that.

[kenmaine]

Haven't read every post, but didn't Baron Davis sign with the Clippers as a free agent?  If he did, then that tells me all I need to know about him and how badly he really wants a ring.  If my memory is wrong, and he was traded there, I think he'd be a nice backup to Rondo 
I would never trade Rondo, or PP for that matter. When you get someone that good, especially a point guard, you don't trade him unless he's hurting the team in some way, or wants to leave.

[LarBrd33]

I don't think Baron Davis is untradable.

I've seen a bunch of reports stating he is, but I think they're all wrong.

Sorry, I didn't mean they were both untradable, just Randolph.  Davis is tradable...but still not great value.

Ah okay. I wasn't sure if you meant both or not.

On another note .... A lot of Clippers fans are talking about how Zach Randolph will be a trade asset in 12 months time as an expiring contract. In the scheme of things, considering they're rebuilding and have a rookie franchise player on the way ... I think those Clips fans have a good point, those 12 months between now and then are largely immaterial in the grand scheme of things, and are not worth giving up a significant piece over (in the rebuilding effort -- youth, picks).

If they honestly believe that then they should be desperately searching for someone willing to take Baron Davis and Chris Kaman in a package. They might have to give up Eric Gordon to get it done.

Then they sell a bunch of tickets for the Blake Griffin show this year have enough money to lure two max contract players to LA in the summer of 2010... and once they have their core of Blake/Star Free Agent/Star Free Agent they head into the 2010/11 season with Zach Randolph's expiring contract to float around to teams until the middle of the year.

Sounds like a great three year plan.  Just find someone willing to take Kaman, Davis and Gordon

[Jon]

Terrible idea.  I get why the OP proposed it; however, the future doesn't matter.  I think people need to understand that.  Maybe in 3 years time Blake and Davis have more value than Rondo.  However, it won't matter when Garnett, Allen, and Pierce are washed up. 

[Chris]

I don't think Baron Davis is untradable.

I've seen a bunch of reports stating he is, but I think they're all wrong.

Sorry, I didn't mean they were both untradable, just Randolph.  Davis is tradable...but still not great value.

Ah okay. I wasn't sure if you meant both or not.

On another note .... A lot of Clippers fans are talking about how Zach Randolph will be a trade asset in 12 months time as an expiring contract. In the scheme of things, considering they're rebuilding and have a rookie franchise player on the way ... I think those Clips fans have a good point, those 12 months between now and then are largely immaterial in the grand scheme of things, and are not worth giving up a significant piece over (in the rebuilding effort -- youth, picks).

Yeps. They should look for ways of unloading Randolph, but it's not a tragedy if they have to keep him this season. No need to downgrade talent because of that.

Absolutely.  But if they can get a young PG on the level of Rondo (who may be better than anyone available in this year's draft...even Griffin), and get that money off the books 1 year earlier (in time to make a run at some of the big name FA's), they would jump at it.

If they were able to go into the summer of 2010 with their only big contracts on the books being Kaman and Rondo (assume he resigns for say $10 million per year), along with Al Thornton, and Ben Gordon, a lottery pick from next year (which should be a stronger draft), wouldn't they be a very enticing destination for some of the big names in the summer of 2010.  Wouldn't Chris Bosh need to strongly consider going to play in LA with a talented young PG like Rondo, a good center, and some talented wings entering their primes? 

[Moranis]

If you are the Cavs would you trade Wallace for Randolph.  I realize Randolph isn't a great defender, but at this point in their careers he is a far better rebounder and he has always been a much better scorer than Wallace (for the third time in his career Randolph went for 20/10).  If LAC wants to move salary that seems like one way to do it, and the Cavs need to do something, especially inside.

[Fafnir]

I realize Randolph isn't a great defender

This is the understatement of the century. He's lazy beyond belief. Go watch a couple Clippers games, or Knicks games from when he was there. Zach Randolph won't even rotate out of the paint more often than not in a help situation.

Even his rebounding numbers are deceptive as he doesn't do much work to get them other than camping in the paint and using his size. No championship team could survive giving playoff minutes to Zach Randolph.

[Moranis]

I realize Randolph isn't a great defender

This is the understatement of the century. He's lazy beyond belief. Go watch a couple Clippers games, or Knicks games from when he was there. Zach Randolph won't even rotate out of the paint more often than not in a help situation.

Even his rebounding numbers are deceptive as he doesn't do much work to get them other than camping in the paint and using his size. No championship team could survive giving playoff minutes to Zach Randolph.

He has never been on a good team in his career, I think that is a bit unfair until he plays for a good team that fails.  He was drafted at the tail end of Portland's run and played for the Knicks and Clippers, two just downright awful franchises.  I think he could be a solid interior scorer for a championship level team (and for the record he played well in his one real postseason when Portland lost to Dallas in 7 in his second year).

[CoachBo]

I realize Randolph isn't a great defender

This is the understatement of the century. He's lazy beyond belief. Go watch a couple Clippers games, or Knicks games from when he was there. Zach Randolph won't even rotate out of the paint more often than not in a help situation.

Even his rebounding numbers are deceptive as he doesn't do much work to get them other than camping in the paint and using his size. No championship team could survive giving playoff minutes to Zach Randolph.

As I've said in the past about Paddy, you cannot coach effort. Randolph gives none on the defensive end.

I want no part of Zach Randolph. Ever.

[pengaloo]

Not in his first season according to doc and paul, to the point where doc tells a stroy (to be fair, to show how far rajon has come) where he had to sit him down his first year and tell him that his teamates could not stand him.

 it's also been floated out there that he's kinda standoffish and comes of as arrogant sometimes to people.

Throw in the two late arrivals to playoff games and some people have concerns about his attitude. I don't really care about anything but the late arrivals to pivotal games, which better be an exception, not the rule.

Can I just add in that it's story's like this coupled with the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot and had questionable defense at best that makes me willing to part with him for a deal like this. Davis could replace Rondo IMO.

Are there any indications that his teammates hate playing with him now? Does coming off as standoffish and arrogant to the media have anything to do with how well they play basketball and how he comes across to his teammates? 2 late arrivals (in which we don't even know the reasons behind) and we're ready to tag him with an attitude problem? Rondo's had questionable defense (maybe due to ankle issues), but is Baron Davis going to have better defense than Rondo?

I think trading Rondo is valid given the right reasons, but I just don't see "stories" and his supposed questionable "attitude" as reasons...

[CoachBo]

Not in his first season according to doc and paul, to the point where doc tells a stroy (to be fair, to show how far rajon has come) where he had to sit him down his first year and tell him that his teamates could not stand him.

 it's also been floated out there that he's kinda standoffish and comes of as arrogant sometimes to people.

Throw in the two late arrivals to playoff games and some people have concerns about his attitude. I don't really care about anything but the late arrivals to pivotal games, which better be an exception, not the rule.

Can I just add in that it's story's like this coupled with the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot and had questionable defense at best that makes me willing to part with him for a deal like this. Davis could replace Rondo IMO.

Are there any indications that his teammates hate playing with him now? Does coming off as standoffish and arrogant to the media have anything to do with how well they play basketball and how he comes across to his teammates? 2 late arrivals (in which we don't even know the reasons behind) and we're ready to tag him with an attitude problem? Rondo's had questionable defense (maybe due to ankle issues), but is Baron Davis going to have better defense than Rondo?

I think trading Rondo is valid given the right reasons, but I just don't see "stories" and his supposed questionable "attitude" as reasons...

To a certain extent, I agree. His unwillingness to play hard on every possession is a bigger deal for me than the attitude issues. The former has GOT to change or he's never going to be the elite NBA point that some of you already want to annoint him.

[moiso]

You have to wonder if all Randolph's years on horrible teams have left him with incorrectable laziness problems on defense.  His bad habbits are pretty ingrained at this point.  It's too bad because the guy is a beast on offense and on the boards.  I'm really disgusted at the thought of Griffin starting his career on such a pathetic team.  Who knows how much this will stunt his development.

[Fafnir]

I realize Randolph isn't a great defender

This is the understatement of the century. He's lazy beyond belief. Go watch a couple Clippers games, or Knicks games from when he was there. Zach Randolph won't even rotate out of the paint more often than not in a help situation.

Even his rebounding numbers are deceptive as he doesn't do much work to get them other than camping in the paint and using his size. No championship team could survive giving playoff minutes to Zach Randolph.

He has never been on a good team in his career, I think that is a bit unfair until he plays for a good team that fails.  He was drafted at the tail end of Portland's run and played for the Knicks and Clippers, two just downright awful franchises.  I think he could be a solid interior scorer for a championship level team (and for the record he played well in his one real postseason when Portland lost to Dallas in 7 in his second year).

At the start of his career in Portland he did work very hard. He got his points, rebounds, and playing time by hustle and offensive rebounds.

Then he got his big money deal and became a "star" all of that stopped. He started turning it over at a ridiculous rate. He takes awful shots from near the three point line. He doesn't rotate one bit on defense.

At some point you are what you are in the NBA. And Randolph is a terrible player who puts up decent scoring/rebounding numbers. Yet his teams will never win unless he is a bit role player or has an epiphany.