Nuggets-Lakers Is A Great Series

[BASS_THUMPER]

denver game change from tuff to tender in the 2nd half!

i cant call it

the red wings!!!

[PosImpos]

Nuggets never stood a chance in this series.  You fellas who were thinking yesterday that this series was "75% chance the Nuggets win" obviously missed the Rockets/Lakers series.  Kobe likes it when it goes to 7.  It gives him a chance to be a hero.

Rooting against King James just angered the basketball gods enough to hand Phil Jackson his 10th title.  Hope yall are happy with gold and purple taking over the world again.

Honestly, I am, if it puts to rest the [dang] "We are all witnesses," "King James" and "Coronation" crap.  I would much prefer to see the Lakers win then to see LeBron and the "team" he's dragging behind him be hailed as World Champions.

[angryguy77]

wow...that was quite a pivotal call on what looked like gasol tripping while backing someone down.

gonna have to see the replay on that one, didnt get a good look at it in real time.

but wait, there is no bias at all is there?

right, because it couldn't possibly just be a bad call, it MUST be bias and the league must have a hidden agenda.

NBA officiating is awful, welcome to the association. This game has been poorly officiated for both sides all night.

That said, the pivotal point of this game isn't going to be a that foul, its sitting melo for 4 minutes for some moronic reason known only to george karl's pea sized brain.

Did I say there is an agenda? I highly doubt the lakers d is that good to be playing this tight w/o fouling. Its been for the most part one way contact under the basket all night. You need to stop thinking that every person on this blog that questions the officiating in the league is some krazy loon that thinks aliens killed jfk. The league has a problem and it does NOTHING about the quality of reffing. No corrective action on this issue is plain wrong.
Melo shoudnt have sat if there wasnt a reason for it. I highly doubt that Karl did it for nothing

when you declare there is a  bias, it implies that someone is being deliberately unfair and has an agenda, yes. people aren't biasd for no reason.

ergo, you must have a reason, what is it if not the league wanting its key players to meet up in the finals, which is in fact a conspiracy theory?

I've never denied that NBA officiating is god awful, look up some posts of mine on it. Ive advocated the mass firing of the 10-12 worst offenders and the hiring of  more competent officials, be it from international or college ranks.

 if your going to say that the league officiating crews are biased for one side, don't then run off the point when pressed because you can't defend the logic behind the risk to the NBA of a massive league wide conspiracy to put two players in the championship series.

The refs, according to you, are biased in favor of the lakers and cavs from your posts. What is the basis for this deliberate attempt to call the game for the lakers tonight if you are not saying its a conspiracy?

(P.s: I think your confusing "bias" for "**** poor officiating " which the nba has  been guilty of for quite some time, and i agree with you is a huge problem. however, to have bias, you have to be deliberately out to screw one team over for some reason.)

Bias=star treatment. But that doesnt happen right?  Were all nut jobs for believing in that. But I must have misread my dictionary on the meaning of the word huh?

Bias=Home court advantage having more to do with playing in front of your fans. Amazing how the home team in most cases gets the calls with exceptions of course.

Bias=See Lebron James shoot more FT than an entire team in series.

Bias=not doing anything about a problem that most fans agree on. Star treatment favors the popular players and gives them an edge. To say this is just bad officiating is either being blind or trying to look like your above other fans.

The term bias does not imply anything of the sort of conspiracy you like to make this argument about. You cannot admit that although the league is not issuing directives to officials, it is not doing anything to correct the problems. What blows my mind is you think their inaction is not by design, but poor management. If the league didnt want he likes of the teams with superstars on them to get biased treatment, they would make the changes to stop this nonsense. But they dont, so what does that tell you they are really after?

Also the word "bias" can mean more than one thing. It doesnt automaticaly imply conspiracy. You mention my post as if you ahve read them but somehow leave out the fact that i have repeatedly said their isnt a back room conspiracy. But since imo you want to look like you are smarter than the rest of us by taking the high road and not take stern to task over incompetenc, you label any oppossing view as kook. It is not I who is going off topic because I dont have an arguement, for I might resort to lump everyone who doesnt agree with me into a catagory.

[angryguy77]

Nuggets never stood a chance in this series.  You fellas who were thinking yesterday that this series was "75% chance the Nuggets win" obviously missed the Rockets/Lakers series.  Kobe likes it when it goes to 7.  It gives him a chance to be a hero.

Rooting against King James just angered the basketball gods enough to hand Phil Jackson his 10th title.  Hope yall are happy with gold and purple taking over the world again.

Honestly, I am, if it puts to rest the [dang] "We are all witnesses," "King James" and "Coronation" crap.  I would much prefer to see the Lakers win then to see LeBron and the "team" he's dragging behind him be hailed as World Champions.

At least Kobe's team contributed. Even though I cant stand that entire team, they at least play a part.

[fairweatherfan]

Anyone else notice the Nuggets decided to trot out the "double-team Kobe with a big every time he touches the ball, even if he backs all the way up to the 3-pt line and passes it off for an easy 4-on-3" strategy?  We tried that crap with Kobe in the Finals, and against Ben Gordon in the first round.  It doesn't work, at least not against a reasonably smart team.  Drives me crazy that coaches still try this nonsense.  Double-teaming a star has its place, but it can't go 10-15 feet beyond the 3 pt line, or a good team will pick you apart.

[Roy Hobbs]

Anyone else notice the Nuggets decided to trot out the "double-team Kobe with a big every time he touches the ball, even if he backs all the way up to the 3-pt line and passes it off for an easy 4-on-3" strategy?  We tried that crap with Kobe in the Finals, and against Ben Gordon in the first round.  It doesn't work, at least not against a reasonably smart team.  Drives me crazy that coaches still try this nonsense.  Double-teaming a star has its place, but it can't go 10-15 feet beyond the 3 pt line, or a good team will pick you apart.

While I hear what you're saying, I don't think Denver's defense was remotely the problem tonight.  Rather, it was the atrocious offense down the stretch.  Shooting around 20% for an entire quarter isn't going to lead to many victories.

[fairweatherfan]

Anyone else notice the Nuggets decided to trot out the "double-team Kobe with a big every time he touches the ball, even if he backs all the way up to the 3-pt line and passes it off for an easy 4-on-3" strategy?  We tried that crap with Kobe in the Finals, and against Ben Gordon in the first round.  It doesn't work, at least not against a reasonably smart team.  Drives me crazy that coaches still try this nonsense.  Double-teaming a star has its place, but it can't go 10-15 feet beyond the 3 pt line, or a good team will pick you apart.

While I hear what you're saying, I don't think Denver's defense was remotely the problem tonight.  Rather, it was the atrocious offense down the stretch.  Shooting around 20% for an entire quarter isn't going to lead to many victories.

Absolutely - don't forget the 4 consecutive turnovers after getting up 7 late in the 3rd.  They completely fell apart during the stretch.

I don't think the extended double was the biggest problem, but it's a pet peeve of mine since I've seen us fail with it twice these last two postseasons.  I usually assume NBA coaches know better than I do, but I really don't understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea. 

[housecall]

The turning point in the game was after Chancey's back to back turnovers late in the 3rd...seems like after that they fell out of sync.

[dlpin]

Nuggets never stood a chance in this series.  You fellas who were thinking yesterday that this series was "75% chance the Nuggets win" obviously missed the Rockets/Lakers series.  Kobe likes it when it goes to 7.  It gives him a chance to be a hero.

Rooting against King James just angered the basketball gods enough to hand Phil Jackson his 10th title.  Hope yall are happy with gold and purple taking over the world again.

Meh, of the 4 left in the playoffs, Orlando is the only to beat the lakers twice anyways, so that was always the best chance of knocking them out.


In the end, I think the magic will win it all, which is not that bad... they are historically meaningless and we will end up being the one's giving them the most trouble.

[DanMan08]

The turning point in the game was after Chancey's back to back turnovers late in the 3rd...seems like after that they fell out of sync.

Not to mention when LA got rolling they couldnt use a timeout cause they already wasted a few.

Terrible, terrible call to foul out Nene.  It's calls like that that lead to charges of bias.

Almost identical to the call on Petruis last night on LBJ late in the game.

Pietrus took a full shoulder in the chest, nene flopped, he was already going down before the contact....so no, not quite the same.

The block on Martin wasn't.  He was hit in both hands as he went up.

Was that the one which the backboard blocked his shot?


It was nice to see Shannon Brown and Odom introduce themselves to Birdman

[DanMan08]

*crap, 2nd time ive done this, meant to edit my previous post, not double post, sry*

[nickagneta]

I was really disappointed with Denver's offense in the fourth quarter. They stymied the Lakers after the Lakers made that early run and time and again had the oportunity to get the deficit down to a one possession game but had stupid possessions.

Fast Chauncey three point on the inbounds with lots of time left on the shot clock.

Three on one break that resulted in a Smith three point miss.

Nene's ridiculous lay up attempt.(Did he get hit in the head? I thought so but there was no replay)

Two Melo layups that looked to be fouls that weren't called and were rang up as blocks. Heck they even replayed one and it was clearly a foul.

I really thought they played excellent D during that time and was in a position to make a big run and their offense just wasn't there, though I guess some credit should go to the Lakers defense.

[angryguy77]

The turning point in the game was after Chancey's back to back turnovers late in the 3rd...seems like after that they fell out of sync.

Not to mention when LA got rolling they couldnt use a timeout cause they already wasted a few.

Terrible, terrible call to foul out Nene.  It's calls like that that lead to charges of bias.

Almost identical to the call on Petruis last night on LBJ late in the game.

Pietrus took a full shoulder in the chest, nene flopped, he was already going down before the contact....so no, not quite the same.

The block on Martin wasn't.  He was hit in both hands as he went up.

Was that the one which the backboard blocked his shot?


It was nice to see Shannon Brown and Odom introduce themselves to Birdman

You're right, officiating was pure last night. Clearly Denver who was being aggressive did not deserve to go to the line more than it did in the fourth. One team was allowed to play aggressive d and the other was not. Billups also  deserved to sit extended minutes after his"offensive" foul in the first half. It was a joke, not the worst I've seen, but a joke in any case. I agree with the Nugget player whos said that Phils complaining was an expensive way to get a win.

[liam]

I was really disappointed with Denver's offense in the fourth quarter. They stymied the Lakers after the Lakers made that early run and time and again had the oportunity to get the deficit down to a one possession game but had stupid possessions.

Fast Chauncey three point on the inbounds with lots of time left on the shot clock.

Three on one break that resulted in a Smith three point miss.

Nene's ridiculous lay up attempt.(Did he get hit in the head? I thought so but there was no replay)

Two Melo layups that looked to be fouls that weren't called and were rang up as blocks. Heck they even replayed one and it was clearly a foul.

I really thought they played excellent D during that time and was in a position to make a big run and their offense just wasn't there, though I guess some credit should go to the Lakers defense.

Yeah to comment on the " No replay" thing, I've noticed less replays. I see a very questionable call and there's time for a replay and they show Matt Bren or a shot of the crowd. I figure the NBA shows less so the calls won't look as bad. They really need to clean up the REFS.

[DanMan08]

You're right, officiating was pure last night. Clearly Denver who was being aggressive did not deserve to go to the line more than it did in the fourth. One team was allowed to play aggressive d and the other was not. Billups also  deserved to sit extended minutes after his"offensive" foul in the first half. It was a joke, not the worst I've seen, but a joke in any case. I agree with the Nugget player whos said that Phils complaining was an expensive way to get a win.

Maybe someone should remind them that it was George Karl's crying at the end of game 3  that started the officiating blame game. 

One team was allowed to play aggressive and one wasnt, hmm....sounds like the 3rd quarter of game 4 or the end of game 2, didnt hear any nuggets players complaining then, or for that fact, any Lakers players (unless you count the trip, a lot of complaining on that). 

The fact is, there were some no calls that were clearly fouls, however, it wasn't as once sided as they claim (i watched kobe get hacked, then watched carmelo clearly get raked across the arms, i could hear that one). 

Denver thinks they should shoot 70 free throws a game, but thats not playoff basketball, they also claim to be the aggressive team and "attack the basket", but most of there FT attempts come from getting a slight bump to the body or a hand check 5-15FT from the basket.  Denver is running a lot more ISO's and playing a lot more 1 on 1 basketball in this series then LA.

The same people complaining denver is not getting calls are the ones saying Lebron (who attacks the basket all game long every game) is getting too many.