The Celtics need to spend over $80 million in payroll for next season.

[QuinielaBox]

Grant Hill Grant Hill Grant Hill. The guy's a great fit and has proven he's willing to play for reasonable money.

Eh he's getting very very old. I think he'd have value but I'd rather have someone with a bit more left in the tank.

Still he'd fill our huge gaping hole at backup SF admirably.

2010 is glory's last shot. Sign up Grant Hill.

[KungPoweChicken]

If I'm Wyc, who is extremely rich, I don't see the harm in spending ten to fifteen million more for next season. It is in all likelihood the Celtics last chance at the title. I can understand the stinginess that came with the last off-season; many people, including myself, thought we were still the best team, and we would have been champs if we were not decimated by injuries. But we now need a complete over-haul. The time for Wyc to open up the bank is now. He needs to give Danny the green light: We need to trade Scal and Ta, we need to sign Baby, we need to try and buy a first rounder, and we need to use the MLE on an impact player. The ball is in Wyc's court. What is he going to do?

I love when people act like Wyc is john henry, and prints money in a back room somewhere because its a boston sports team, and can just toss 15-20 million around like its nothing. also, because of the tax, spending "10-15 million" is really "20-30 million"

Again, This is not the boston redsox with thier amazing finacial success and fan base. We have a dedicated fan base, but i severaly doubt the celtics can just laugh off a 110-120 million dollar payroll expense as some are suggesting.

And "now is the time to open up the pocket book?" we have the third highest payroll in the league. We will undoubtaly have a top 3, if not the first, again next year.

People are so spolied by the red sox ownership group. For most "extremly rich" people, 15-20 million dollars is still alot to ask to put into something that doesn't really make them that much of a return compared to thier actual buisness ventures.

BUT, as me and WDL have said, It's not the payroll thats important, its who we spend the money on. 75 Mill should be more than enough, with the vetrans avaiable this year, to put together a heck of a bench.

I pay zero attention to the Red Sox. And according to Hoopshype, you're wrong, we have the fifth highest payroll.

[Chris]

grant hill is Old. 37 with a history of injury problems. I'd rather give Walker a shot.

Walker will still get a shot if they bring in Hill.  If Walker is good enough to play, he will play.  But they NEED to have someone who they can count on.  Someone who they know can go out there and play NBA level basketball. 

Yeah, there is a chance Walker will be able to do that as well, but counting on him doing it is the same kind of thinking that gave the C's problems this year.

[JSD]

If I'm Wyc, who is extremely rich, I don't see the harm in spending ten to fifteen million more for next season. It is in all likelihood the Celtics last chance at the title. I can understand the stinginess that came with the last off-season; many people, including myself, thought we were still the best team, and we would have been champs if we were not decimated by injuries. But we now need a complete over-haul. The time for Wyc to open up the bank is now. He needs to give Danny the green light: We need to trade Scal and Ta, we need to sign Baby, we need to try and buy a first rounder, and we need to use the MLE on an impact player. The ball is in Wyc's court. What is he going to do?

I love when people act like Wyc is john henry, and prints money in a back room somewhere because its a boston sports team, and can just toss 15-20 million around like its nothing. also, because of the tax, spending "10-15 million" is really "20-30 million"

Again, This is not the boston redsox with thier amazing finacial success and fan base. We have a dedicated fan base, but i severaly doubt the celtics can just laugh off a 110-120 million dollar payroll expense as some are suggesting.

And "now is the time to open up the pocket book?" we have the third highest payroll in the league. We will undoubtaly have a top 3, if not the first, again next year.

People are so spolied by the red sox ownership group. For most "extremly rich" people, 15-20 million dollars is still alot to ask to put into something that doesn't really make them that much of a return compared to thier actual buisness ventures.

BUT, as me and WDL have said, It's not the payroll thats important, its who we spend the money on. 75 Mill should be more than enough, with the vetrans avaiable this year, to put together a heck of a bench.

I don't know the figures in terms of dollars but If there was a year to go "all in" it's this year. This team will make that money back when it's time to rebuild. I don't agree with you that $75 million is enough. Where are you getting your numbers? Also, from my OP in this thread. what are you cutting out?

[KungPoweChicken]

If I'm Wyc, who is extremely rich, I don't see the harm in spending ten to fifteen million more for next season. It is in all likelihood the Celtics last chance at the title. I can understand the stinginess that came with the last off-season; many people, including myself, thought we were still the best team, and we would have been champs if we were not decimated by injuries. But we now need a complete over-haul. The time for Wyc to open up the bank is now. He needs to give Danny the green light: We need to trade Scal and Ta, we need to sign Baby, we need to try and buy a first rounder, and we need to use the MLE on an impact player. The ball is in Wyc's court. What is he going to do?

I love when people act like Wyc is john henry, and prints money in a back room somewhere because its a boston sports team, and can just toss 15-20 million around like its nothing. also, because of the tax, spending "10-15 million" is really "20-30 million"

Again, This is not the boston redsox with thier amazing finacial success and fan base. We have a dedicated fan base, but i severaly doubt the celtics can just laugh off a 110-120 million dollar payroll expense as some are suggesting.

And "now is the time to open up the pocket book?" we have the third highest payroll in the league. We will undoubtaly have a top 3, if not the first, again next year.

People are so spolied by the red sox ownership group. For most "extremly rich" people, 15-20 million dollars is still alot to ask to put into something that doesn't really make them that much of a return compared to thier actual buisness ventures.

BUT, as me and WDL have said, It's not the payroll thats important, its who we spend the money on. 75 Mill should be more than enough, with the vetrans avaiable this year, to put together a heck of a bench.

I don't know the figures in terms of dollars but If there was a year to go "all in" it's this year. This team will make that money back when it's time to rebuild. I don't agree with you that $75 million is enough. Where are you getting your numbers? Also, from my OP in this thread. what are you cutting out?

Agreed, $75 million will not get the job done. That smells like another second round exit.

[Drucci]

I don't know much about the financial aspects of the Celtics' concerns for next season. But I agree that the team shouldn't be afraid of the costs and of the luxury tax. It's easier to say that when you don't have to pay the tax, sure, but I think that giving all you can give to the Celtics to help them win a championship next season is a no brainer. This is the last opportunity for this team, and even though it would hurt the franchise's economic future I think we all agree that winning another championship during the Big Three era is worth years of financial drought.

[crownsy]

If I'm Wyc, who is extremely rich, I don't see the harm in spending ten to fifteen million more for next season. It is in all likelihood the Celtics last chance at the title. I can understand the stinginess that came with the last off-season; many people, including myself, thought we were still the best team, and we would have been champs if we were not decimated by injuries. But we now need a complete over-haul. The time for Wyc to open up the bank is now. He needs to give Danny the green light: We need to trade Scal and Ta, we need to sign Baby, we need to try and buy a first rounder, and we need to use the MLE on an impact player. The ball is in Wyc's court. What is he going to do?

I love when people act like Wyc is john henry, and prints money in a back room somewhere because its a boston sports team, and can just toss 15-20 million around like its nothing. also, because of the tax, spending "10-15 million" is really "20-30 million"

Again, This is not the boston redsox with thier amazing finacial success and fan base. We have a dedicated fan base, but i severaly doubt the celtics can just laugh off a 110-120 million dollar payroll expense as some are suggesting.

And "now is the time to open up the pocket book?" we have the third highest payroll in the league. We will undoubtaly have a top 3, if not the first, again next year.

People are so spolied by the red sox ownership group. For most "extremly rich" people, 15-20 million dollars is still alot to ask to put into something that doesn't really make them that much of a return compared to thier actual buisness ventures.

BUT, as me and WDL have said, It's not the payroll thats important, its who we spend the money on. 75 Mill should be more than enough, with the vetrans avaiable this year, to put together a heck of a bench.

I don't know the figures in terms of dollars but If there was a year to go "all in" it's this year. This team will make that money back when it's time to rebuild. I don't agree with you that $75 million is enough. Where are you getting your numbers? Also, from my OP in this thread. what are you cutting out?

Agreed, $75 million will not get the job done. That smells like another second round exit.

Our payroll when we won it, Roy can correct me if im wrong, was 76 million. The lakers payroll is 78 million this year.

[crownsy]

If I'm Wyc, who is extremely rich, I don't see the harm in spending ten to fifteen million more for next season. It is in all likelihood the Celtics last chance at the title. I can understand the stinginess that came with the last off-season; many people, including myself, thought we were still the best team, and we would have been champs if we were not decimated by injuries. But we now need a complete over-haul. The time for Wyc to open up the bank is now. He needs to give Danny the green light: We need to trade Scal and Ta, we need to sign Baby, we need to try and buy a first rounder, and we need to use the MLE on an impact player. The ball is in Wyc's court. What is he going to do?

I love when people act like Wyc is john henry, and prints money in a back room somewhere because its a boston sports team, and can just toss 15-20 million around like its nothing. also, because of the tax, spending "10-15 million" is really "20-30 million"

Again, This is not the boston redsox with thier amazing finacial success and fan base. We have a dedicated fan base, but i severaly doubt the celtics can just laugh off a 110-120 million dollar payroll expense as some are suggesting.

And "now is the time to open up the pocket book?" we have the third highest payroll in the league. We will undoubtaly have a top 3, if not the first, again next year.

People are so spolied by the red sox ownership group. For most "extremly rich" people, 15-20 million dollars is still alot to ask to put into something that doesn't really make them that much of a return compared to thier actual buisness ventures.

BUT, as me and WDL have said, It's not the payroll thats important, its who we spend the money on. 75 Mill should be more than enough, with the vetrans avaiable this year, to put together a heck of a bench.

I pay zero attention to the Red Sox. And according to Hoopshype, you're wrong, we have the fifth highest payroll.

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

[JSD]

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

I think spending more is spending wiser for this upcoming season and there is no excuse not to. Also, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury were all signed using 2 (full season) LLE's.

[crownsy]

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

I think spending more is spending wiser for this upcoming season and there is no excuse not to. Also, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury were all signed using 2 (full season) LLE's.

and? thats still a bunch of bench money tied up for nothing. The LLE is still cash wasted.

The no excuse thing is easy to through around when someone else is footing the bill i find. I'd prefer to not through away money on crappy contracts instead.

The problem with this offseason wasen't money, it was complete misjudging of team needs and missing on "project players" which we shouldn't have been going after anyway.

[Evantime34]

You can't think of an extra 8 Million dollars (from 72 to 80) which will come to 16 million as just something an owner just pays. It is an investment. How much money will they obtain from two more rounds of playoff series? I bet it is close to 16 million.

[cordobes]

Well, I'm pretty sure that if they were absolutely certain that spending an additional $16 millions would mean another trip to the Finals, they'd gladly spend the money. I guess they can't see the future though... 

[reggie35]

grant hill is Old. 37 with a history of injury problems. I'd rather give Walker a shot.

Walker will still get a shot if they bring in Hill.  If Walker is good enough to play, he will play.  But they NEED to have someone who they can count on.  Someone who they know can go out there and play NBA level basketball. 

Yeah, there is a chance Walker will be able to do that as well, but counting on him doing it is the same kind of thinking that gave the C's problems this year.

I agree they should sign someone, but not GH. Hill is too old and injury prone.

[crownsy]

You can't think of an extra 8 Million dollars (from 72 to 80) which will come to 16 million as just something an owner just pays. It is an investment. How much money will they obtain from two more rounds of playoff series? I bet it is close to 16 million.

What if we get another key injury? what if we get bounced early? what if the contrct doesn't work out and the player stinks?

When you make an investment, as you say, you have to consider the above risk as well as the reward of a championship

Also, i don't know the finanace, im not sure 2 extra rounds of playoffs offset 16 million.

Look, as a celtics fan, if you told me they were gaurnteed a champsionhip if they spent 100 million, i'd want them to pony up. But my point was that throwing money at the problem:

 A) might not be practicial to the people who actualy own the celtics. It's easy to say SPEND MORE! MONEY WILL FIX IT! when your not directly footing the bill (see: economic stimulus packages)

B) it might not work. Alot of our signigns last year were bust, and alot of that didn't have to do with money at all, it had to do with bad personal decisions.

[cordobes]

Grant Hill would be ideal backup wing, from my perspective.