The Celtics need to spend over $80 million in payroll for next season.

[crownsy]

Grant Hill would be ideal backup wing, from my perspective.

mine as well, Grant Hill for the LLE and dice for the MLE would make my summer.

[Chris]

Grant Hill would be ideal backup wing, from my perspective.

mine as well, Grant Hill for the LLE and dice for the MLE would make my summer.

Replace dice with Sheed, and I am happy as can be...although I still would be giddy if its dice.

I hope they do address the PG spot as well, but if they bring in two of those 3 guys, they can probably get away with less at that spot, especially since Hill can handle the point, as someone else pointed out.

[KungPoweChicken]

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

I think spending more is spending wiser for this upcoming season and there is no excuse not to. Also, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury were all signed using 2 (full season) LLE's.

and? thats still a bunch of bench money tied up for nothing. The LLE is still cash wasted.

The no excuse thing is easy to through around when someone else is footing the bill i find. I'd prefer to not through away money on crappy contracts instead.

The problem with this offseason wasen't money, it was complete misjudging of team needs and missing on "project players" which we shouldn't have been going after anyway.

Danny signed those players, in all probability, because no one wanted to come to Boston for the money they were offering. What makes you think that great role players are dying to come play for Boston for very little money? Sure, if Danny always had that the cream of the crop available to him, he could spend very little money and get great players. But when all signs point to the fact that no one is jumping to play in Boston, it makes sense for Wyc to up the ante. Most players follow money, not winning. Your philosophy relies too heavily on Danny finding diamonds in the rough. We tried that philosophy once already; we ended up with O'Bryant, Marbury, and Moore. History shows us that it's time to spend money.

[crownsy]

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

I think spending more is spending wiser for this upcoming season and there is no excuse not to. Also, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury were all signed using 2 (full season) LLE's.

and? thats still a bunch of bench money tied up for nothing. The LLE is still cash wasted.

The no excuse thing is easy to through around when someone else is footing the bill i find. I'd prefer to not through away money on crappy contracts instead.

The problem with this offseason wasen't money, it was complete misjudging of team needs and missing on "project players" which we shouldn't have been going after anyway.

Danny signed those players, in all probability, because no one wanted to come to Boston for the money they were offering. What makes you think that great role players are dying to come play for Boston for very little money? Sure, if Danny always had that the cream of the crop available to him, he could spend very little money and get great players. But when all signs point to the fact that no one is jumping to play in Boston, it makes sense for Wyc to up the ante. Most players follow money, not winning. Your philosophy relies too heavily on Danny finding diamonds in the rough. We tried that philosophy once already; we ended up with O'Bryant, Marbury, and Moore. History shows us that it's time to spend money.

Danny passed on birdman, chooosing POB- mistake.

Danny dragged the posey negotiations out for over a month and a half, losing all shot at several players who expressed interest since our MLE was tied up- mistake.

Danny brought back TA thinking he could help replace posey- Mistake

also, you say history says its time to spend money, but you say no one wanted to play here to excuse danny for bad signings, so which is it? Do guys want to play here and we didn't offer them enough, or do guys not want to play here as you initialy contended?



Danny had a bad off season, that doesn't make him a bad GM. But yes, your right, i do expect the man who's entire job is to bring in players to make good decisions. Thats not finding a dimond in the rough, thats good scouting, which is in fact his job.

[JSD]

For all those saying "we need to spend money in the right places" I would argue that the money being spent "in the right places" will put you into the $80 million range.

[KungPoweChicken]

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

I think spending more is spending wiser for this upcoming season and there is no excuse not to. Also, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury were all signed using 2 (full season) LLE's.

and? thats still a bunch of bench money tied up for nothing. The LLE is still cash wasted.

The no excuse thing is easy to through around when someone else is footing the bill i find. I'd prefer to not through away money on crappy contracts instead.

The problem with this offseason wasen't money, it was complete misjudging of team needs and missing on "project players" which we shouldn't have been going after anyway.

Danny signed those players, in all probability, because no one wanted to come to Boston for the money they were offering. What makes you think that great role players are dying to come play for Boston for very little money? Sure, if Danny always had that the cream of the crop available to him, he could spend very little money and get great players. But when all signs point to the fact that no one is jumping to play in Boston, it makes sense for Wyc to up the ante. Most players follow money, not winning. Your philosophy relies too heavily on Danny finding diamonds in the rough. We tried that philosophy once already; we ended up with O'Bryant, Marbury, and Moore. History shows us that it's time to spend money.

Danny passed on birdman, chooosing POB- mistake.

Danny dragged the posey negotiations out for over a month and a half, losing all shot at several players who expressed interest since our MLE was tied up- mistake.

Danny brought back TA thinking he could help replace posey- Mistake

also, you say history says its time to spend money, but you say no one wanted to play here to excuse danny for bad signings, so which is it? Do guys want to play here and we didn't offer them enough, or do guys not want to play here as you initialy contended?



Danny had a bad off season, that doesn't make him a bad GM. But yes, your right, i do expect the man who's entire job is to bring in players to make good decisions. Thats not finding a dimond in the rough, thats good scouting, which is in fact his job.

In all seriousness, who were the players who expressed interest in coming to Boston? And I agree that spending money in the right places would clearly put us over $80 million.

[guava_wrench]

I agree with you.   You don't mortgage the future for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, knowing that they have a small window for opportunity and not maximize.  Besides, they're guaranteed 41 sellouts plus at least 7 home playoff games.  No reason not to.

How many games did you go to this year? It is obvious at the games that the Celtics are having problems with the luxury boxes. The should get worse next year as businesses do not renew their tickets. The Celtics are also not raising ticket prices, so I'm not sure how raising payroll bigtime is financially responsible.

[guava_wrench]

I don't know much about the financial aspects of the Celtics' concerns for next season. But I agree that the team shouldn't be afraid of the costs and of the luxury tax. It's easier to say that when you don't have to pay the tax, sure, but I think that giving all you can give to the Celtics to help them win a championship next season is a no brainer. This is the last opportunity for this team, and even though it would hurt the franchise's economic future I think we all agree that winning another championship during the Big Three era is worth years of financial drought.

To the fan. Not necessarily to the owner of the business.

We already gave it all -- and won a championship that year.

I noticed you said "giving all you can give". That is the important point. They can't afford to run themselves out of business, especially with the decreased revenue from this year and the upcoming years due to the economy.

[crownsy]

my bad on that one (but its by a whopping 2 million dollars, wee), that doesn't address anything else in the post. the red sox anaolgy was payroll only, they can afford to go crazy because they make it all back and then some. im not sure the celtics can say that.

my point is, you dont need to spend more, you need to spend wiser. they tied up a ton of bench money in crappy contracts (TA, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury) that could have been used to improve the bench.

I think spending more is spending wiser for this upcoming season and there is no excuse not to. Also, POB, sam I am, Moore, Marbury were all signed using 2 (full season) LLE's.

and? thats still a bunch of bench money tied up for nothing. The LLE is still cash wasted.

The no excuse thing is easy to through around when someone else is footing the bill i find. I'd prefer to not through away money on crappy contracts instead.

The problem with this offseason wasen't money, it was complete misjudging of team needs and missing on "project players" which we shouldn't have been going after anyway.

Danny signed those players, in all probability, because no one wanted to come to Boston for the money they were offering. What makes you think that great role players are dying to come play for Boston for very little money? Sure, if Danny always had that the cream of the crop available to him, he could spend very little money and get great players. But when all signs point to the fact that no one is jumping to play in Boston, it makes sense for Wyc to up the ante. Most players follow money, not winning. Your philosophy relies too heavily on Danny finding diamonds in the rough. We tried that philosophy once already; we ended up with O'Bryant, Marbury, and Moore. History shows us that it's time to spend money.

Danny passed on birdman, chooosing POB- mistake.

Danny dragged the posey negotiations out for over a month and a half, losing all shot at several players who expressed interest since our MLE was tied up- mistake.

Danny brought back TA thinking he could help replace posey- Mistake

also, you say history says its time to spend money, but you say no one wanted to play here to excuse danny for bad signings, so which is it? Do guys want to play here and we didn't offer them enough, or do guys not want to play here as you initialy contended?



Danny had a bad off season, that doesn't make him a bad GM. But yes, your right, i do expect the man who's entire job is to bring in players to make good decisions. Thats not finding a dimond in the rough, thats good scouting, which is in fact his job.

In all seriousness, who were the players who expressed interest in coming to Boston? And I agree that spending money in the right places would clearly put us over $80 million.

Birdman was one, he told the globe he "really hopes a contract is extended" as he got on the plane. Thats looking like a pretty big miss.

matt barnes also expressed interest in meeting with the team (though i think it would have taken far to much to get him to sign here rather than PHX, but who knows, We couldn't bring him in because we had our MLE out)

those are the two I wanted that i can think off of the top of my head at work, Lue as well, but im not sure how much i wanted him in the first place.

[Who]

Yep, I think it'll take $80mil, or something close to it, to add a quality bench onto this team.

[thedawg]

I have no problem with Wyc trying to keep the personal costs below the 100 million mark, we just need to make smarter personal decisions this year, less projects and more proven guys.

I agree! Go for quality not quantity and the bench did not have any quality at all after KG and Powe got injured.

[CoachBo]

I have no problem with Wyc trying to keep the personal costs below the 100 million mark, we just need to make smarter personal decisions this year, less projects and more proven guys.

I agree! Go for quality not quantity and the bench did not have any quality at all after KG and Powe got injured.

The amount of money spent is irrelevant when it's being spent on the likes of Tony Allen, Mikki Moore, Patrick O'Bryant, Darius Miles, et al.

If money's tight, then Wyc ought to be telling Danny to be a better steward of his money, especially considering the conference finals and finals revenue lost because of the penny-pinching last summer. Not to mention the injuries - which we need to expect given the age of our core players.

Gotta spend money to make money.

[JSD]

I agree! Go for quality not quantity

The amount of money spent is irrelevant

Can I make this any more clear? Obviously value and talent are the most important factors. I'm not proposing the Celtics just go out and sign and trade for whoever based on reaching that 80 million plateau.

[wdleehi]

Other thing we are forgetting is that there are not alot of team looking to spend right now. 

This is no a good time to be an NBA FA unless you are a star.

[JSD]

Other thing we are forgetting is that there are not alot of team looking to spend right now. 

This is no a good time to be an NBA FA unless you are a star.

That's where the value will come in, $8 - $10 million dollar players are now in MLE range (we have an MLE) and $9 million dollar players are for sale (we have an expiring contracts to offer that equal $8.5 million).

Give Danny the green light!