Celtics would be silly NOT to resign Marbury

[fairweatherfan06]

You know if he goes elsewhere he will easily get around 5 million if not more.

Out of curiosity, why do you feel this way?

From my perspective, Starbury played fairly poorly in Boston (although he improved in the playoffs).  He didn't look like a guy who could be a starter any more. 

In addition, he has a history of attitude problems, which GMs haven't forgotten about; last season, a grand total of two teams were interested (Boston and Miami).

Lastly, the economy is in the tank and teams are feeling it.  The salary cap and luxury tax are contracting.  It's expected that a lot of star players will have to settle for the MLE or less.

Due to all of the above factors, I can't imagine Starbury coming close to $5 million per season.  That would be a terrible deal for whatever team signed him.

However, at a sub-$2 million deal, I'd have him back for a year.  His attitude with the Celtics was good, and as mentioned, he was showing some improvement.

As I said elsewhere, Marbury is a player who needs extended minutes to be effective, that is why he can/and should leave. But I think he'd find a home in Miami, possibly Portland, maybe the hawks, the warriors, even the lakers I think would give him a shot to start, he has options.

[Roy Hobbs]

You know if he goes elsewhere he will easily get around 5 million if not more.

Out of curiosity, why do you feel this way?

From my perspective, Starbury played fairly poorly in Boston (although he improved in the playoffs).  He didn't look like a guy who could be a starter any more. 

In addition, he has a history of attitude problems, which GMs haven't forgotten about; last season, a grand total of two teams were interested (Boston and Miami).

Lastly, the economy is in the tank and teams are feeling it.  The salary cap and luxury tax are contracting.  It's expected that a lot of star players will have to settle for the MLE or less.

Due to all of the above factors, I can't imagine Starbury coming close to $5 million per season.  That would be a terrible deal for whatever team signed him.

However, at a sub-$2 million deal, I'd have him back for a year.  His attitude with the Celtics was good, and as mentioned, he was showing some improvement.

As I said elsewhere, Marbury is a player who needs extended minutes to be effective, that is why he can/and should leave. But I think he'd find a home in Miami, possibly Portland, maybe the hawks, the warriors, even the lakers I think would give him a shot to start, he has options.

None of those teams, other than Miami, offered him a contract last season.  Why would they give him not only a contract, but also a chance to start, this season, after the very little he showed in Boston?

I just can't see any team going as high as $5 million, or offering Starbury guaranteed minutes.  I anticipate that any offer he gets will keep him on a very short leash.

[fairweatherfan06]

I also think SA would slot him behind Tony Parker (that was discussed) and Dallas behind Kidd (also heard that).  The Blazers are still in search of higher profile more experienced PG, and he fits the bill, his character issues might hinder that. GS needs a PG and Ellis and Nellie are not liking each other, Derek Fisher is getting older in LA and Farmar is not getting better. If the Hawks lose Bibby they will be looking for a PG, I'm not saying he gets 5 mil but somebody will let him have a chance to start proven, healthy, experienced PG's are still not so easy to come by and he falls into all those categories, despite what he did and didn't do in Boston.

[Jon]

Play it by ear, as far as I'm concerned.  If he'll come back for small money, it's worth a shot.  He played good defense, better than House.  If you paid attention during the end of some games, Doc was subbing Marbury in for House on defensive possessions.  Still, I don't love both of them in the same backcourt.  Not only does it make us small, it minimizes how much Marbury can play, which hurts his effectiveness.  However, if the C's moved House (say in a sign and trade with Baby), Marbury as a backup combo guard at 25 mpg might be an interesting proposition.  He'd certainly be able to carry some of the offensive load and take the burden off of Ray and Paul. 

[xmuscularghandix]

He defenitly didn't earn a starting role anywhere thats any good. If i was Marbury i'd wanna comeback and try to prove myself with a full year of knowing the offense/defense.

[Rondo_is_better]

  He'd certainly be able to carry some of the offensive load and take the burden off of Ray and Paul. 

What about Marbury's play for us to date makes you think he is capable of shouldering the scoring load for the 2nd unit? He averaged like 3 ppg on 32% shooting. That's pretty bad.

[Celtics1990]

I think it's absolutely worth it.  I feel if Marbury has the whole summer to continue working on his game, this investment will pay off.

[Rondo_is_better]

He defenitly didn't earn a starting role anywhere thats any good. If i was Marbury i'd wanna comeback and try to prove myself with a full year of knowing the offense/defense.

That's what makes the most sense, but Marbury is an unpredictable guy. I've heard rumors that he'll listen to European offers--anything to start. The guy likes the spotlight a lot, and that makes me think he'd rather not sign on for another year on the bench.

[Jon]

  He'd certainly be able to carry some of the offensive load and take the burden off of Ray and Paul. 

What about Marbury's play for us to date makes you think he is capable of shouldering the scoring load for the 2nd unit? He averaged like 3 ppg on 32% shooting. That's pretty bad.

The times he actually shot the ball he was actually pretty good.  Two such examples happened in the Orlando series.  First in game 2 when he put up 8 points in 9 minutes and second in game 5 when he put up 12 points in the 4th quarter to keep us in the game so Baby could hit the shot.  

I don't think many people would doubt Marbury's ability to score: he's always been able to do that.  The knock on him was his selfishness and poor defense.  If anything, while here, he was selfless to a fault.  As for his defense, Doc was actually putting him in for House at the end of games for defensive purposes.  Who would have ever thought we'd see that?  

I don't think it's worth debating this too much.  I don't think he'll be back.  All I was saying is that I wouldn't mind seeing him get 25+ minutes per game as a backup combo guard.  I think if Doc found him ways to get him extended minutes, he'd produce more.  I don't imagine someone like Pierce or Allen would do well if there were relegated to 12 mpg after years of playing in the upper 30s.  

[nickagneta]

While I am not thrilled with the idea of bringing Marbury back because I think he could instantly turn into a locker room can cer at any time, if he's willing to take no more than the LLE, I'd be fine with him coming in as the first guard off the bench. And my reasoning has more to do with alternatives than it does with Marbury. I looked at the available free agents for the back up PG position and the prospects aren't exactly scintillating.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

Anthony Johnson, Tyronne Lue, Anthony Carter, Flip Murray, Lindsey Hunter, Anthony Carter, etc. Not many really strike me as someone who could give us what I believe Marbury could give us after returning to basketball shape and getting a full year with this team under his belt. A back up PG will definitely need to be signed. Marbury could well be the best option, if he behaves. And that really is the problem, the uncertainty of what he could mean to the clubhouse.

[Casperian]

 

Congrats on 100 TP, Jon.

[Jon]

Thank you.

[greg683x]

I have no problem with Marbury coming back for a one year deal at around the vet minimum, i dont want any kind of multiyear though.  Im just too worried about him being in a position to not have to be on good behavior, I know he behaved when he was here but we're talking about 4 months with one team, while you have like 8 years of evidence with like 4 other teams to prove the opposite.

I know im probably gonna catch a lot of flack for saying this, but I have a feeling that some of the people on here that want to sign him to a multi year deal and dont have a problem increasing his minutes are people that had real high hopes for him being an impact, difference making player and are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that it just didnt work out.  So they want to give him more time so they can possibly see the Steph they wanted to see.

I think he did show some limited signs of life towards the end there, but I dont think it'll get too much better.  Marbury is a guy that needs to dominate the ball and be in complete control of the offense to be effective.  I dont think dribbling the ball over half court, dumping the ball to Pierce or Allen, then wandering off behind the arc somewhere to recieve a pass from a drive and kick, or to be the 3rd option if Pierce or Allen cant create anything suits him really well.  AND HE WILL GET FRUSTRATED WITH THAT EVENTUALLY.

[Jon]

I dont think dribbling the ball over half court, dumping the ball to Pierce or Allen, then wandering off behind the arc somewhere to recieve a pass from a drive and kick, or to be the 3rd option if Pierce or Allen cant create anything suits him really well.  AND HE WILL GET FRUSTRATED WITH THAT EVENTUALLY.

I agree, which is why I think if he does come back, we need to make him the backup combo guard.  Give him all of Ray and Rondo's backup minutes.  If that's the case, it gives him a chance to run the show when Rondo's out, but also gives him a chance to take shots when he's playing off the ball next to Rondo.  If Doc found a way to make this work, it keeps Rondo and Ray fresh without having a big drop off in terms of talent on the floor.  It also finds enough minutes for him, as he could easily take 12-15 minutes from both of them a night. 

[greg683x]

I dont think dribbling the ball over half court, dumping the ball to Pierce or Allen, then wandering off behind the arc somewhere to recieve a pass from a drive and kick, or to be the 3rd option if Pierce or Allen cant create anything suits him really well.  AND HE WILL GET FRUSTRATED WITH THAT EVENTUALLY.

I agree, which is why I think if he does come back, we need to make him the backup combo guard.  Give him all of Ray and Rondo's backup minutes.  If that's the case, it gives him a chance to run the show when Rondo's out, but also gives him a chance to take shots when he's playing off the ball next to Rondo.  If Doc found a way to make this work, it keeps Rondo and Ray fresh without having a big drop off in terms of talent on the floor.  It also finds enough minutes for him, as he could easily take 12-15 minutes from both of them a night. 

I think that would be a great idea if we didnt have Eddie House.  We've won a title with Eddie House as a backup combo guard and he's proven he can knock down an open 3, something Marbury didnt prove he could do.  Let's face it, we need a back PG whos comfortable with a limited back up role, has a good handle, and is a good shooter.

Seriously, like I said, Im all for keeping him here for a one year deal at the league minimum, but if we're gonna address the backup PG issue long term we need to look elsewhere.  I dont know about you all, but after last summer, Im not in the mood to start gambling again.