Has Ray Allen played his last game as a Celtic?

[Fafnir]

If we did the trade Nick proposed we'd have a starting 5 of Rondo, Jackson, Pierce, KG and Perkins with a bench of House, Magette, Randolph, BBD and Turiaf. Does that make us better overall?

Probably, but there's no way Nelson does that trade.

um that's three SFs with no SGs. and one of those three is going to be very unhappy about minutes (read: maggette). bbd and turiaf to similar. pass.

jackson plays the two alot in GS...you could in theory put him there full time. not sure if it would work, but you could do it

Pierce and Jackson could both play the 2. We might have trouble matching up with a Ray Allen/Rip type of player with three big wings. But you could easily make it work.

But Golden State would never ever do that trade so it is a moot point.

[ssspence]

If we did the trade Nick proposed we'd have a starting 5 of Rondo, Jackson, Pierce, KG and Perkins with a bench of House, Magette, Randolph, BBD and Turiaf. Does that make us better overall?

Probably, but there's no way Nelson does that trade.

um that's three SFs with no SGs. and one of those three is going to be very unhappy about minutes (read: maggette). bbd and turiaf to similar. pass.

jackson plays the two alot in GS...you could in theory put him there full time. not sure if it would work, but you could do it

yeah but one reason ray works well with paul is he's a catch and shoot guy. jackson and maggette both need the ball in their hands to be effective. bottom line is i don't want to have to take maggette to get jackson, and i'm not sure i really want either over ray. sounds like you're in the same boat.

[Jaycelt]

He will be here next year. Let's not forget the guy was our best player through the majority of the season. If I am losing a superstar next year it has to be PP, not Ray. He is the one showing big signs of getting old in a hurry. He is the one that refused to play defense, or was simply unable. He was guarding Turkoglu and Pietrus most of the time and those two players were the ones that beat us and cost us the series in all the games. He was the one that kept forcing plays offensively that weren't there. If I have to lose one of them, which won't happen, he's the one unfortunately.

Once again EJ, Ray spent more time guarding Pietrus than Pierce did.  The Celtics went small and Pierce had his hands full between Hedo and Lewis.  This is the second time I've had to point this out to you. Why do you continue to blame Pierce and give Ray a pass on Pietrus?
Plus, Pierce was trying to play defense, but Orlando played all pick and roll all the time and our pick and roll defense was horrid. That's a team problem, not an individual.  Everyone was burned by the pick and roll because we never figured out as a team how to guard it and the Magic knew this full well. Until last night Hedo had been shooting horrid.
The guys that were killinng us were Lewis & Howard.
If you want to point to the fact that Pierce couldn't guard Lewis on the block, I'll give you that.  But it wasn't because he didn't try. Lewis is just bigger and stronger.
As for PP forcing things, I seem to recall him getting to the line in those instances, which is part of his job on this team.
I'd say Ray forced just as much if not more.
The last two years have seen major injuries to both Ray (last year) and KG.  They've played fewer games, fewer minutes, and been more injury prone. I'd say of the Big 3 Pierce has shown much more ability to take a beating and withstand the age factor.

You're welcome to your opinion one who should stay and who should go, but you're not allowed to make up your own facts to back it up.

[fingerlakes]

Ainge was looking at Monte Ellis a few years back.  I take him over Maggette.  He could keep up with Rajon and play the swing guard as well.  I know Golden State was down on him and maybe he could be had in the right package.  I agree with trading Ray if we can get the right dynamic scorer who can create his own shot.  Ray cannot seem to score much anymore unless he is coming off a good pick.  

[crownsy]

Ainge was looking at Monte Ellis a few years back.  I take him over Maggette.  He could keep up with Rajon and play the swing guard as well.  I know Golden State was down on him and maybe he could be had in the right package.  I agree with trading Ray if we can get the right dynamic scorer who can create his own shot.  Ray cannot seem to score much anymore unless he is coming off a good pick.  

he just got a massive extension, im not sure we want to take that kinda money on.

[Who]

Paul Pierce is the only Celtics player that has the right to retire here. Everybody else is fair game.

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Ainge was looking at Monte Ellis a few years back.  I take him over Maggette.  He could keep up with Rajon and play the swing guard as well.  I know Golden State was down on him and maybe he could be had in the right package.  I agree with trading Ray if we can get the right dynamic scorer who can create his own shot.  Ray cannot seem to score much anymore unless he is coming off a good pick.  

he just got a massive extension, im not sure we want to take that kinda money on.

i'd rather take him than maggette. but he's a funky fit with rondo. they may not work well together or get along...

[guava_wrench]

Don't know about salaries, but

Ray Allen/Scal (expiring?)/pick

for

Steven Jackson/Crawford

is an idea...Jackson matches Rays scoring/shooting, beefs up our defense, and Crawford is a nice combo guard who gives us a GREAT scorer off the bench.

Artest is out of the realm of possibilty? It's really that laughable?

Go back to watching cartoons, I am trying to post my thoughts in peace.

Together with the poor trade proposal and the personal attack and the fact your name is Ricky (who I can only assume is Davis) fan, I think I shall ignore your thoughts from now on.

It is rather ironic that he would make fun of anyone's post considering the trade proposal.

[fingerlakes]

Ellis has 6 years at 66 million.  Not too massive.  The guy can create and fly.  Nellie would probably never give him up but they were down on him for the mo-ped accident and I also hear of Baron Davis maybe returning there.  

Ainge was looking at Monte Ellis a few years back.  I take him over Maggette.  He could keep up with Rajon and play the swing guard as well.  I know Golden State was down on him and maybe he could be had in the right package.  I agree with trading Ray if we can get the right dynamic scorer who can create his own shot.  Ray cannot seem to score much anymore unless he is coming off a good pick.  

he just got a massive extension, im not sure we want to take that kinda money on.

[vagrantwade]

Dear lord people. If you want to win another title next year, DO NOT touch the starting 5.

I think you people are just getting to bored now that the season is over and want to get yourself excited.

[housecall]

Dear lord people. If you want to win another title next year, DO NOT touch the starting 5.

I think you people are just getting to bored now that the season is over and want to get yourself excited.

leaving God out of it,i do agree.

[fingerlakes]

You really think the big 3 can all stay healthy for another run?   They are all going to be 33 or over next year or close to it anyway.  I wish I could be that positive.  That 20 something contract of Rays could pay for plenty.

[EJPLAYA]

He will be here next year. Let's not forget the guy was our best player through the majority of the season. If I am losing a superstar next year it has to be PP, not Ray. He is the one showing big signs of getting old in a hurry. He is the one that refused to play defense, or was simply unable. He was guarding Turkoglu and Pietrus most of the time and those two players were the ones that beat us and cost us the series in all the games. He was the one that kept forcing plays offensively that weren't there. If I have to lose one of them, which won't happen, he's the one unfortunately.

Once again EJ, Ray spent more time guarding Pietrus than Pierce did.  The Celtics went small and Pierce had his hands full between Hedo and Lewis.  This is the second time I've had to point this out to you. Why do you continue to blame Pierce and give Ray a pass on Pietrus?
Plus, Pierce was trying to play defense, but Orlando played all pick and roll all the time and our pick and roll defense was horrid. That's a team problem, not an individual.  Everyone was burned by the pick and roll because we never figured out as a team how to guard it and the Magic knew this full well. Until last night Hedo had been shooting horrid.
The guys that were killinng us were Lewis & Howard.
If you want to point to the fact that Pierce couldn't guard Lewis on the block, I'll give you that.  But it wasn't because he didn't try. Lewis is just bigger and stronger.
As for PP forcing things, I seem to recall him getting to the line in those instances, which is part of his job on this team.
I'd say Ray forced just as much if not more.
The last two years have seen major injuries to both Ray (last year) and KG.  They've played fewer games, fewer minutes, and been more injury prone. I'd say of the Big 3 Pierce has shown much more ability to take a beating and withstand the age factor.

You're welcome to your opinion one who should stay and who should go, but you're not allowed to make up your own facts to back it up.

So sorry to inconvenience you having to "point this out to me"for a second time, but I don't agree. PP was on Pietrus a big chunk of the time especially since Pietrus was often coming in for Hedo or Lewis. BBD spent a lot of time on Lewis, and Ray spent most of his time guarding Redick or Lee. Fact of the matter, is it really didn't matter WHO PP was guarding, the guy couldn't keep them from lighting it up. All three had huge games, so pick your poison.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

These threads are why I hate the offseason. Scal and Ray for Jackson and Crawford. Ugh.

The offseason sucks.

[crownsy]

He will be here next year. Let's not forget the guy was our best player through the majority of the season. If I am losing a superstar next year it has to be PP, not Ray. He is the one showing big signs of getting old in a hurry. He is the one that refused to play defense, or was simply unable. He was guarding Turkoglu and Pietrus most of the time and those two players were the ones that beat us and cost us the series in all the games. He was the one that kept forcing plays offensively that weren't there. If I have to lose one of them, which won't happen, he's the one unfortunately.

Once again EJ, Ray spent more time guarding Pietrus than Pierce did.  The Celtics went small and Pierce had his hands full between Hedo and Lewis.  This is the second time I've had to point this out to you. Why do you continue to blame Pierce and give Ray a pass on Pietrus?
Plus, Pierce was trying to play defense, but Orlando played all pick and roll all the time and our pick and roll defense was horrid. That's a team problem, not an individual.  Everyone was burned by the pick and roll because we never figured out as a team how to guard it and the Magic knew this full well. Until last night Hedo had been shooting horrid.
The guys that were killinng us were Lewis & Howard.
If you want to point to the fact that Pierce couldn't guard Lewis on the block, I'll give you that.  But it wasn't because he didn't try. Lewis is just bigger and stronger.
As for PP forcing things, I seem to recall him getting to the line in those instances, which is part of his job on this team.
I'd say Ray forced just as much if not more.
The last two years have seen major injuries to both Ray (last year) and KG.  They've played fewer games, fewer minutes, and been more injury prone. I'd say of the Big 3 Pierce has shown much more ability to take a beating and withstand the age factor.

You're welcome to your opinion one who should stay and who should go, but you're not allowed to make up your own facts to back it up.

So sorry to inconvenience you having to "point this out to me"for a second time, but I don't agree. PP was on Pietrus a big chunk of the time especially since Pietrus was often coming in for Hedo or Lewis. BBD spent a lot of time on Lewis, and Ray spent most of his time guarding Redick or Lee. Fact of the matter, is it really didn't matter WHO PP was guarding, the guy couldn't keep them from lighting it up. All three had huge games, so pick your poison.

right, they did all have big games, but his point was (and its true to a large extent) that our complete inability to defend the pick and roll at a competent level, which is the fault of everyone, not one player, lead to those wide open looks and huge games for all three.

seriously, not one time did we defend the pick and roll like a championship squad last night, 1-12. they got all the penetration and open looks they wanted out of anyone running it with howard.

And I gotta agree ray guarded pietrus in long stretches while paul was on hedo. on one play in particular, perk was visibly upset on how ray was getting beat into the paint by pietrus.