Big Baby to eclipse Jeff Green?

[bopna]

Big baby is the most underrated/underappreciated on this blog by some people.

BBD is a second round pick filling the shoes left by KG's injury...that alone should tell us something that the guy has truly come around...the fact that we don't miss a beat in winning and going 9-1 while KG is out is a testament to BBD's work ethic and Basketball smarts..at the moment Id rather have him than Jinlian or Jeff Green for that matter coz if we had Green, he would just be were BBD is, a back up to Paul Pierce getting scanty minutes ave 8/3....BBD has been stellar as a starter putting up 20 or more points in 3 or 4 of the last 5 games.and while KG is out, he has given us beef at the PF slot.

[wiley]

LarBrd33,

I could not have put it better myself.  Yes, I am happy with what BBD has done recently, but he still is what he is.  Glad I'm not the only one who see's things as you do

I understand that you and LarBrd33 are coming in here as the voice of reason and sanity and down to earthness and non-homerism and reality-checkness and let's not fly off the handleness and..etc....

But:  I agree with Rondo_Is_Better, to say that Jeff Green is light years ahead of or better than Glen Davis is an exaggeration.  He may be better, but not light years.  Jeff Green's main advantage over Glenn Davis is his size, not his talent level.  The other advantage he has is that he's been playing full-time in the N.B.A. from day 1.  Glen's had to bust his butt just to see extented minutes. 

Jeff Green's size is an advantage because he fits the N.B.A. small forward position to a T.  Big Baby fits NO position to a T.  He is a short power forward who, like Antoine, can't get very high off the ground.  In terms of pure talent, Baby is nearly equal to Jeff Green.  Davis is an outstanding athlete with amazing footwork and great intelligence and passing skills.  He was a second rounder due to his size, not his lack of talent.  His size offers only one advantage, that he his hard to push out of the way, other than that it's a hindrance.  That's why his success has been so interesting and heartening to watch.  This is a player in the process of overcoming some major obstacles: height, weight and lack of hops.  Remember when we didn't think he could even dunk.  Well he can.  Block shots?  He can.  During his career he's going to get his shot blocked fairly often, but he may just be smart enough and nifty enough to limit this.  IMO he's already smarter than Antoine in this regard.  (Antoine was so good early on that he never learned to adjust, to not rush his shot up there).

As far as the comment that Baby "is what he is".  What he is at this moment is completely indispensable to this team.  Without Baby, no recent winning streak.  The only question mark I have about Baby is whether he can stay grounded and focused.  He has  big personality and needs big minutes...can he be happy off the bench for a couple more years? 

I didn't hear anybody say that Baby was going to be an all-star or is the second coming of wonder bread, etc...So the claims of homerism and being unrealistic seem a bit off base.  What we have in Baby, to my mind, is a keeper (which also makes him one hell of a trade chip if it comes to that)

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd33,

I could not have put it better myself.  Yes, I am happy with what BBD has done recently, but he still is what he is.  Glad I'm not the only one who see's things as you do

I understand that you and LarBrd33 are coming in here as the voice of reason and sanity and down to earthness and non-homerism and reality-checkness and let's not fly off the handleness and..etc....

But:  I agree with Rondo_Is_Better, to say that Jeff Green is light years ahead of or better than Glen Davis is an exaggeration.  He may be better, but not light years.  Jeff Green's main advantage over Glenn Davis is his size, not his talent level.  The other advantage he has is that he's been playing full-time in the N.B.A. from day 1.  Glen's had to bust his butt just to see extented minutes. 

Jeff Green's size is an advantage because he fits the N.B.A. small forward position to a T.  Big Baby fits NO position to a T.  He is a short power forward who, like Antoine, can't get very high off the ground.  In terms of pure talent, Baby is nearly equal to Jeff Green.  Davis is an outstanding athlete with amazing footwork and great intelligence and passing skills.  He was a second rounder due to his size, not his lack of talent.  His size offers only one advantage, that he his hard to push out of the way, other than that it's a hindrance.  That's why his success has been so interesting and heartening to watch.  This is a player in the process of overcoming some major obstacles: height, weight and lack of hops.  Remember when we didn't think he could even dunk.  Well he can.  Block shots?  He can.  During his career he's going to get his shot blocked fairly often, but he may just be smart enough and nifty enough to limit this.  IMO he's already smarter than Antoine in this regard.  (Antoine was so good early on that he never learned to adjust, to not rush his shot up there).

As far as the comment that Baby "is what he is".  What he is at this moment is completely indispensable to this team.  Without Baby, no recent winning streak.  The only question mark I have about Baby is whether he can stay grounded and focused.  He has  big personality and needs big minutes...can he be happy off the bench for a couple more years? 

I didn't hear anybody say that Baby was going to be an all-star or is the second coming of wonder bread, etc...So the claims of homerism and being unrealistic seem a bit off base.  What we have in Baby, to my mind, is a keeper (which also makes him one hell of a trade chip if it comes to that)

Have you watched Jeff Green play?  The guy is a major stud.  Crazy athletic, fantastic scorer, solid shooter, great finisher... his defense is one of the bright spots on that lousy team. He has a big future in the league and is already really very good.  I wonder what kind of impact he'd have if his sole role was to play 37 minutes alongside Rondo, Perk, Ray and Pierce and hit wide open jumpers.   If he took 17 shots like Baby against Miami do you think he'd finish with 22 points and the lowest +/- in the starting lineup also?  Geez I bet so...   

[bknova]

I think some people are drinking some major coolaid.  Big Baby plays on a team with 3 Hall of Famers, and some would argue, 4 all stars.  He benefits from a lot of open looks, and though he's become more confident to take those shots, and more aggressive, he would be seriously exposed if he were on a team like OKC and there was regularly a body on him. 

That said, I'm pleasantly surprised by his sudden consistency, but not to the point where I'd even mention him in the same breath as Jeff Green, who could easily play the Robbin to Durant's Batman.

I also think there is a misconception to this filling in adequately to Kevin Garnett's shoes.  Baby is playing his role to a T, irrespective of the number of minutes he's logged.  More minutes, more points, and vice versa.  This team gives up 90 ppg when KG is on the floor and nearly 100 ppg when he's not.  Nobody fills KGs shoes. 

With PP, Ray, Rondo, House, Baby, and Powe, we can score with anyone in the league.  But without KG, we don't defend.  Its really that simple.  Nobody, and I mean nobody on this team fills KGs shoes.  Thats just a statistical fact.  The only one we can even talk about in that sense in Perk. 

[wiley]

LarBrd33,

I could not have put it better myself.  Yes, I am happy with what BBD has done recently, but he still is what he is.  Glad I'm not the only one who see's things as you do

I understand that you and LarBrd33 are coming in here as the voice of reason and sanity and down to earthness and non-homerism and reality-checkness and let's not fly off the handleness and..etc....

But:  I agree with Rondo_Is_Better, to say that Jeff Green is light years ahead of or better than Glen Davis is an exaggeration.  He may be better, but not light years.  Jeff Green's main advantage over Glenn Davis is his size, not his talent level.  The other advantage he has is that he's been playing full-time in the N.B.A. from day 1.  Glen's had to bust his butt just to see extented minutes. 

Jeff Green's size is an advantage because he fits the N.B.A. small forward position to a T.  Big Baby fits NO position to a T.  He is a short power forward who, like Antoine, can't get very high off the ground.  In terms of pure talent, Baby is nearly equal to Jeff Green.  Davis is an outstanding athlete with amazing footwork and great intelligence and passing skills.  He was a second rounder due to his size, not his lack of talent.  His size offers only one advantage, that he his hard to push out of the way, other than that it's a hindrance.  That's why his success has been so interesting and heartening to watch.  This is a player in the process of overcoming some major obstacles: height, weight and lack of hops.  Remember when we didn't think he could even dunk.  Well he can.  Block shots?  He can.  During his career he's going to get his shot blocked fairly often, but he may just be smart enough and nifty enough to limit this.  IMO he's already smarter than Antoine in this regard.  (Antoine was so good early on that he never learned to adjust, to not rush his shot up there).

As far as the comment that Baby "is what he is".  What he is at this moment is completely indispensable to this team.  Without Baby, no recent winning streak.  The only question mark I have about Baby is whether he can stay grounded and focused.  He has  big personality and needs big minutes...can he be happy off the bench for a couple more years? 

I didn't hear anybody say that Baby was going to be an all-star or is the second coming of wonder bread, etc...So the claims of homerism and being unrealistic seem a bit off base.  What we have in Baby, to my mind, is a keeper (which also makes him one hell of a trade chip if it comes to that)

Have you watched Jeff Green play?  The guy is a major stud.  Crazy athletic, fantastic scorer, solid shooter, great finisher... his defense is one of the bright spots on that lousy team. He has a big future in the league and is already really very good.  I wonder what kind of impact he'd have if his sole role was to play 37 minutes alongside Rondo, Perk, Ray and Pierce and hit wide open jumpers.   If he took 17 shots like Baby against Miami do you think he'd finish with 22 points and the lowest +/- in the starting lineup also?  Geez I bet so...   

Okay.  This is the most direct answer I've got to my original post.  I haven't watched Jeff Green all that much.  I knew he was good (I called him the real deal and said I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat), but this post of yours puts him another level up.  Since I haven't seen him that much, I'll have to accept your analysis.  Thanks....

I do think, however, that Baby is or will be better than you think:)

[BCelts]

Nope. Jeff green's ceiling is higher imo. Remember bbd is surrounded by 3 future hof and a championship team but JG has pretty much no experienced winner in his team.

True.  but we've also seen how this goes both ways.  Good young players on bad teams have better stats, score more, etc...while on great teams they struggle just to see the court...I do agree however, that Jeff Green is the real deal.  And I'd take him on my team any day of the week....

I have been thinking this myself. So TP for you. From what I've seen from Jeff Green, I'm not impressed.He's kinda got a Marvin Williams type game, which is nothing to brag about.

Wow.  We watched different games. I've caught 4 - 5 Sonics game (I refuse to call them the T-word) and thought that Jeff Green is going to be really really good. I have seen improvement this year.  I don't think he will ever be a big time scorer, but he looks a lot like a Robert Horry or a Scottie Pippin (minus some of the offense).  Sure one under-hyped and one over-hyped player, but if Jeff Green turns into Marvin WIlliams on offense with Horry's defense and rebounding (he was leading the T-words for a while), that is a very solid player.

I'd trade BBD for Jeff Green right now on a moments notice.

[Vermont Green]

Just offering one more reality check and that is that lately, when BBD has been most productive, he has only been playing with 2 HOF, not 3 (I know this is a technicality of sorts).  Pierce is a clear all-star but RA and RR are fringe (RA only made it the last 2 years as an alternate).  That is not to say that the C's aren't a much better team that is affording BBD some open looks though.

I believe that 30 teams would pick Green over BBD if given the chance (and assuming $$ is in the same range).