Big Baby to eclipse Jeff Green?

[wiley]

An old beat-up rehash of a post:

Ray Allen and Big Baby for Delonte West and Danny's non-pick (Jeff Green?  Jianlian?  I wanted Corey Brewer at the time....can you say "I was wrong"....i'm saying it now)

Anyway, the better Big Baby gets the better Danny looks in that trade, especially if Big Baby ends up eclipsing Jeff Green.  Right now, imo, it's a wash.  Either one can help a team a great deal.  But I would argue that with Baby's jumper looking automatic at times, he can/eventually be the bigger impact guy, given his other attributes, energy, intelligence, etc...Bottom line for me is that I'd take either Jeff Green or Big Baby on my team and be very happy.  But what do others think?

So, it's clear we won that trade big time, which I remember WHO announcing very loudly and clearly at the time, while bball media dude Jeff Goodman was not happy on trade night--I'd definitely hire WHO over Jeff Goodman as my NBA GM.  (Goodman is so far off on his Rondo analysis and I'm just left wondering how this could be so....)

I'm such a huge Delonte West fan that I too was partly chagrined when that big Garnett-enabling trade went down.  But we got the better of Seattle big time...and who says we can't get Delonte back some day?

Thanks again Danny.

[footey]

This is a good point.  Actually, it was pretty clear we were going to take Jinlian with the 5th pick had we kept it. And I would not trade BBD for Jinlian today.  The key, though, remains how much longevity we got from Ray.  He has exceeded my expectations, especially this year. If he keeps up this pace next season, Danny is the slam dunk winner on this trade.

But I would love to get Delonte back some day. He always played like a Celtic in my book.

[wiley]

This is a good point.  Actually, it was pretty clear we were going to take Jinlian with the 5th pick had we kept it. And I would not trade BBD for Jinlian today.  The key, though, remains how much longevity we got from Ray.  He has exceeded my expectations, especially this year. If he keeps up this pace next season, Danny is the slam dunk winner on this trade.

But I would love to get Delonte back some day. He always played like a Celtic in my book.

I think we already won the trade (though Seattle got what they wanted, which was to be really bad and so grab Durant or Oden), even if Ray were to suddenly and weirdly fall apart this offseason.  But I sure do agree about Delonte being a Celtic.  He would fit so well with our energy guys and our current never-give-up mojo....

[celticmaestro]

He wont be better than Jeff Green.

[kozlodoev]

An old beat-up rehash of a post:

Ray Allen and Big Baby for Delonte West and Danny's non-pick (Jeff Green?  Jianlian?  I wanted Corey Brewer at the time....can you say "I was wrong"....i'm saying it now)

Anyway, the better Big Baby gets the better Danny looks in that trade, especially if Big Baby ends up eclipsing Jeff Green.  Right now, imo, it's a wash.  Either one can help a team a great deal.  But I would argue that with Baby's jumper looking automatic at times, he can/eventually be the bigger impact guy, given his other attributes, energy, intelligence, etc...Bottom line for me is that I'd take either Jeff Green or Big Baby on my team and be very happy.  But what do others think?

So, it's clear we won that trade big time, which I remember WHO announcing very loudly and clearly at the time, while bball media dude Jeff Goodman was not happy on trade night--I'd definitely hire WHO over Jeff Goodman as my NBA GM.  (Goodman is so far off on his Rondo analysis and I'm just left wondering how this could be so....)

I'm such a huge Delonte West fan that I too was partly chagrined when that big Garnett-enabling trade went down.  But we got the better of Seattle big time...and who says we can't get Delonte back some day?

Thanks again Danny.

This trade actually did include Wally, who might not be worth the money he was getting, but is a serviceable player.

[wiley]

An old beat-up rehash of a post:

Ray Allen and Big Baby for Delonte West and Danny's non-pick (Jeff Green?  Jianlian?  I wanted Corey Brewer at the time....can you say "I was wrong"....i'm saying it now)

Anyway, the better Big Baby gets the better Danny looks in that trade, especially if Big Baby ends up eclipsing Jeff Green.  Right now, imo, it's a wash.  Either one can help a team a great deal.  But I would argue that with Baby's jumper looking automatic at times, he can/eventually be the bigger impact guy, given his other attributes, energy, intelligence, etc...Bottom line for me is that I'd take either Jeff Green or Big Baby on my team and be very happy.  But what do others think?

So, it's clear we won that trade big time, which I remember WHO announcing very loudly and clearly at the time, while bball media dude Jeff Goodman was not happy on trade night--I'd definitely hire WHO over Jeff Goodman as my NBA GM.  (Goodman is so far off on his Rondo analysis and I'm just left wondering how this could be so....)

I'm such a huge Delonte West fan that I too was partly chagrined when that big Garnett-enabling trade went down.  But we got the better of Seattle big time...and who says we can't get Delonte back some day?

Thanks again Danny.

This trade actually did include Wally, who might not be worth the money he was getting, but is a serviceable player.

Thank you.  I knew there was another player but I actually couldn't remember who, but that's more about my poor memory than about Wally, though his struggles while here and slowness made me not sad about his departure...

[Tr1boy]

Nope. Jeff green's ceiling is higher imo. Remember bbd is surrounded by 3 future hof and a championship team but JG has pretty much no experienced winner in his team.

[wiley]

Nope. Jeff green's ceiling is higher imo. Remember bbd is surrounded by 3 future hof and a championship team but JG has pretty much no experienced winner in his team.

True.  but we've also seen how this goes both ways.  Good young players on bad teams have better stats, score more, etc...while on great teams they struggle just to see the court...I do agree however, that Jeff Green is the real deal.  And I'd take him on my team any day of the week....

[Chief]

Nope. Jeff green's ceiling is higher imo. Remember bbd is surrounded by 3 future hof and a championship team but JG has pretty much no experienced winner in his team.

True.  but we've also seen how this goes both ways.  Good young players on bad teams have better stats, score more, etc...while on great teams they struggle just to see the court...I do agree however, that Jeff Green is the real deal.  And I'd take him on my team any day of the week....

I have been thinking this myself. So TP for you. From what I've seen from Jeff Green, I'm not impressed.He's kinda got a Marvin Williams type game, which is nothing to brag about.

[ManUp]

He wont be better than Jeff Green.

He isn't better than Jeff Green.

[cdif911]

This is a good point.  Actually, it was pretty clear we were going to take Jinlian with the 5th pick had we kept it. And I would not trade BBD for Jinlian today.  The key, though, remains how much longevity we got from Ray.  He has exceeded my expectations, especially this year. If he keeps up this pace next season, Danny is the slam dunk winner on this trade.

But I would love to get Delonte back some day. He always played like a Celtic in my book.

I think we already won the trade (though Seattle got what they wanted, which was to be really bad and so grab Durant or Oden), even if Ray were to suddenly and weirdly fall apart this offseason.  But I sure do agree about Delonte being a Celtic.  He would fit so well with our energy guys and our current never-give-up mojo....

Huh?? (though Seattle got what they wanted, which was to be really bad and so grab Durant or Oden) - Seattle drafted Durant and Green in the SAME draft.  They were pretty bad last year yes, but got Westbrook out of it, not Durant - now if they get Griffin this year, watch out

[CelticsWhat35]

Well this is a huge turn from the poster, which I believe was during last year's playoffs when Ray Allen was struggling, who said they'd rather have Jeff Green than Ray Allen straight up.

Still though, Jeff Green is, and, save for some unforeseen circumstances, will always be better than Big Baby.  We have a tendency on this board to get way too up and way too down on players from game to game.

That being said, I'm excited to see what Davis can do during the playoffs.

[kozlodoev]

Thank you.  I knew there was another player but I actually couldn't remember who, but that's more about my poor memory than about Wally, though his struggles while here and slowness made me not sad about his departure...

Wally does have his limitations -- he doesn't have the fastest feet in the league. But he's fairly strong for a swing player, he can shoot it, and can score a little bit inside on smaller guards. He was pretty effective for the Cavs off the bench -- it's his price tag that makes him a problem. I'd have him as my sixth man at half his salary every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[winsomme]

the question about a draft pick after-the-fact is always IMO "if the draft were held today..."

and in that regard, i think BBD has been moving steadily up the list. probably would put him pretty close to the lottery at this point...

[wiley]

This is a good point.  Actually, it was pretty clear we were going to take Jinlian with the 5th pick had we kept it. And I would not trade BBD for Jinlian today.  The key, though, remains how much longevity we got from Ray.  He has exceeded my expectations, especially this year. If he keeps up this pace next season, Danny is the slam dunk winner on this trade.

But I would love to get Delonte back some day. He always played like a Celtic in my book.

I think we already won the trade (though Seattle got what they wanted, which was to be really bad and so grab Durant or Oden), even if Ray were to suddenly and weirdly fall apart this offseason.  But I sure do agree about Delonte being a Celtic.  He would fit so well with our energy guys and our current never-give-up mojo....

Huh?? (though Seattle got what they wanted, which was to be really bad and so grab Durant or Oden) - Seattle drafted Durant and Green in the SAME draft.  They were pretty bad last year yes, but got Westbrook out of it, not Durant - now if they get Griffin this year, watch out

Whoops!  Thank you.  I guess I should have said there goal was to coninue in full rebuilding mode.  Getting Westbrook was good and I agree that getting Griffin would warrant a big "watch out"  though it still may take a couple years....

And, even if a team gets what it wants (to be bad during a rebuilding mode), I still think it's fair to evaluate trades and grade GMs on the value of the pieces who were involved....In this case I'd give Danny the A and the Seattle/Thunder GM a "not taking class for credit".....