Mikki Moore is the worst defensive big man in the NBA (vent thread)

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

because if we ran into injury trouble our bad depth would have killed us?

I mean, mikki isnt that good, but can you imagine that stretch without him? we would have had 2 active "bigs" at one point, perk and baby.

i don't want to get into attacking Mikki because like i already said, I think he can help us.

but he wasn't the only option.

[BballTim]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

[crownsy]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

because if we ran into injury trouble our bad depth would have killed us?

I mean, mikki isnt that good, but can you imagine that stretch without him? we would have had 2 active "bigs" at one point, perk and baby.

i don't want to get into attacking Mikki because like i already said, I think he can help us.

but he wasn't the only option.

so swift then? i dont think hes much better, if at all.

Joe smith was not an option. If his comments once signed by the cavs don't prove that to people at this point, i dont get it.

he pulle da pedro. he used one team to get another to act.

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

The Cavs are better. The Magic is better. The Lakers are better. All the major players got better....

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

because if we ran into injury trouble our bad depth would have killed us?

I mean, mikki isnt that good, but can you imagine that stretch without him? we would have had 2 active "bigs" at one point, perk and baby.

i don't want to get into attacking Mikki because like i already said, I think he can help us.

but he wasn't the only option.

so swift then? i dont think hes much better, if at all.

Joe smith was not an option. If his comments once signed by the cavs don't prove that to people at this point, i dont get it.

he pulle da pedro. he used one team to get another to act.

The comments once he signed??

What is he supposed to say...I'd rather have ended up with the Celtics?

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

As specifically for Baby (since that is the position we are talking about), the question isn't is he better, the question is "is he enough better?"

PJ played something like 14 MPG, so all the improvements and changes in PT that you mentioned aside, the role of replacing PJ from last season is essentially the same.

[crownsy]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

because if we ran into injury trouble our bad depth would have killed us?

I mean, mikki isnt that good, but can you imagine that stretch without him? we would have had 2 active "bigs" at one point, perk and baby.

i don't want to get into attacking Mikki because like i already said, I think he can help us.

but he wasn't the only option.

so swift then? i dont think hes much better, if at all.

Joe smith was not an option. If his comments once signed by the cavs don't prove that to people at this point, i dont get it.

he pulle da pedro. he used one team to get another to act.

The comments once he signed??

What is he supposed to say...I'd rather have ended up with the Celtics?

come on man, sometimes people don't think like boston sports fans when they go to sign contracts.

1. he has personal friends in clevland

2. his house is there

3. He stated this summer he wanted to come back for them

4. he showed no desire to get bought out until CLEV was known to be looking for a 4 after wallace went down. (this opened up minutes they had trusted to hickson to smith)

he wanted to be a cav, they had no intrest when they had good depth. they lost that depth, they got him back.

he wasen't available to us, hate to break that to people who think every player is dieing for a chance to lace them up in boston (see: barnes, matt who told people post phx signign that it would have taken "alot more" to get him to move cold weather, but everyone is mad at ainge for not signing to the vet min)

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

because if we ran into injury trouble our bad depth would have killed us?

I mean, mikki isnt that good, but can you imagine that stretch without him? we would have had 2 active "bigs" at one point, perk and baby.

i don't want to get into attacking Mikki because like i already said, I think he can help us.

but he wasn't the only option.

so swift then? i dont think hes much better, if at all.

Joe smith was not an option. If his comments once signed by the cavs don't prove that to people at this point, i dont get it.

he pulle da pedro. he used one team to get another to act.

The comments once he signed??

What is he supposed to say...I'd rather have ended up with the Celtics?

come on man, sometimes people don't think like boston sports fans when they go to sign contracts.

1. he has personal friends in clevland

2. his house is there

3. He stated this summer he wanted to come back for them

4. he showed no desire to get bought out until CLEV was known to be looking for a 4 after wallace went down. (this opened up minutes they had trusted to hickson to smith)

he wanted to be a cav, they had no intrest when they had good depth. they lost that depth, they got him back.

he wasen't available to us, hate to break that to people who think every player is dieing for a chance to lace them up in boston (see: barnes, matt who told people post phx signign that it would have taken "alot more" to get him to move cold weather, but everyone is mad at ainge for not signing to the vet min)

again, like i said, the Smith question is going nowhere. The fact is that we will never know on him what would have happened if we passed on Mikki.

but he wasn't the only option and if all we were really after was roster filler, then why didn't we grab Dikembe...

[BballTim]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

The Cavs are better. The Magic is better. The Lakers are better. All the major players got better....

  This has, of course, nothing to do with my point...

[BballTim]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

As specifically for Baby (since that is the position we are talking about), the question isn't is he better, the question is "is he enough better?"

PJ played something like 14 MPG, so all the improvements and changes in PT that you mentioned aside, the role of replacing PJ from last season is essentially the same.

  Your statement is that aside from the changes in playing time, the role is the same? What does that even mean? That whoever we signed at backup center was going to get the minutes that PJ got last year even if it means playing with 6 players at a time for long stretches? If Perk plays more than 25 minutes a game, won't most of those minutes come from last year's backup center's minutes? If the backup center plays fewer minutes, doesn't that reduce his role?

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

The Cavs are better. The Magic is better. The Lakers are better. All the major players got better....

  This has, of course, nothing to do with my point...

how can that have nothing to do with your point.....the object is to defeat the other team, is it not?

[winsomme]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

As specifically for Baby (since that is the position we are talking about), the question isn't is he better, the question is "is he enough better?"

PJ played something like 14 MPG, so all the improvements and changes in PT that you mentioned aside, the role of replacing PJ from last season is essentially the same.

  Your statement is that aside from the changes in playing time, the role is the same? What does that even mean?

It means that the role of backup C is still looking to be around 15 MPG. Same as it was last year.

[BballTim]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

As specifically for Baby (since that is the position we are talking about), the question isn't is he better, the question is "is he enough better?"

PJ played something like 14 MPG, so all the improvements and changes in PT that you mentioned aside, the role of replacing PJ from last season is essentially the same.

  Your statement is that aside from the changes in playing time, the role is the same? What does that even mean?

It means that the role of backup C is still looking to be around 15 MPG. Same as it was last year.

  In that case the role of whoever we signed to "replace PJ" will have his minutes reduced unless Davis only averages about a minute a game. Is that the scenario that you're pushing?

[BballTim]

BBall, if Mikki was just supposed to be roster filler, then what was the big risk in not signing him?

 Maybe they wanted more depth? Are you saying they should have just not signed anyone? Or that we should have passed on him and waited for Smith to get bought out and still watch him sign with the Cavs? What exactly is the value in not signing him?

Look, I'm not getting back into the whole "Smith would only have signed with the Cavs" debate. It goes nowhere. but he wasn't the only option...Gooden also came available as did Stromile. It wasn't necessarily Smith or nuthin'...

I think it's kinda strange that you thought there was a need at backup PG even though we had the two players from last years team already on the roster, but don't seem to think there was a need at backup C..

Anyway, I hope you're right about Baby because he has a big job on his shoulders with no real alternative.

  You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that even if we had the same roster as last year we aren't the exact same team. Rondo's better, Perk's better, Davis is better and Cassell and PJ, if they came back, would be a year older and most likely worse than they were last year. Doc switched back and forth between Eddie and Sam last year because neither of them nailed down the job, Eddie has been playing more like a sg all year and Sam would be even slower than he was last year (how many teams tried to sign him this year?) yet you think that we don't our needs don't shift when player's roles and skill levels change.

The Cavs are better. The Magic is better. The Lakers are better. All the major players got better....

  This has, of course, nothing to do with my point...

how can that have nothing to do with your point.....the object is to defeat the other team, is it not?

  Sure. So no matter what the topic being discussed, it's always appropriate to interject "The Cavs, Lakers and Magic are all better" because the object of basketball is to beat the other team?