Mikki Moore is the worst defensive big man in the NBA (vent thread)

[crownsy]

The thing that bothers me the most is when Moore has rebounding position and someone else grabs the ball like Moore isn't even there.  I don't like wimpy big men!

oh yea, TP, mikki looses more rebounds in one on one battles than any 7 footer ive seen.

he rebounds like a euro.

[celts55]

Seriously...  I've never seen a guy foul like Moore does.  Not only does he commit a lot of fouls, but he commits a lot of stupid fouls, at terrible times.  I can't remember a guy 7 feet tall that was this poor on the defensive end.  Give me Kandi or Blount any day.
 
(And yes, there's a slight amount of hyperbole here.  There's a lot to be frustrated about, though, and Moore's stupid foul turned out to be the difference in tonight's game.)

My only question is why do you limit yourself to defense and big men. I think he might just be one of the worst players in the NBA period. Granted his defense is awful, but he appears to alway be out of place on the offense end. He can not box out to save his life,granted Howard is strong, but Pierce managed to box him out. He can't even finish a dunk. He is awful, awful, awful.

I thought Scal was the worst player in the NBA... That's an awfully strong comment considering some of the scrubs out there. You neglected to comment on the foul committed on that play. Even the announcers were commenting on that fact. Howard missed a dunk earlier in the game when Perkins hammered him as well. Should we now say that Howard can't even finish a dunk?!

The guy got 21 boards mostly against the first team. If you are pointing fingers you really ought to point fingers at the whole team. The guy only played 11 minutes... No one however is going to have much success against Howard on the glass.

I thought Scal was the worst players also, than I saw Mikki . Watch the play again, I think it was an offensive foul on Moore, but you're right I probably shouldn't have used that play as an example. It was just so painful watching him get pushed around and being way slow getting over on D that I'm venting on everything he does. I'm really just trying to figure out what happened to the Mikki Moore I watched play for the Nets. That guy was pretty good.

[Norcalceltic]

If The Team is healthy for the playoffs, Mikki might play 4 minutes a game. I don't mind us having Mikki. Yes he's out of control, but he gives good energy. He's also a better player than Patty. The one play that killed me yesterday was when Howard had the ball at the top of the key, and Mikki was pressing him knowing that Howard probably couldn't draw iron from that distance.

to the people complaining about not signing Birdman, J Smith, or Gooden. Birdman is a drug addict. I'm happy to see him doing very well, but he's one bad day from going on a tweak binge. I don't think Smith ever wanted to come to Boston. He kept saying he didn't want to get bought out, then we sign Mikki, then Smith gets bought out and goes to Cleveland. I heard somewhere that he said he'd feel akward having to face the Cavs in the playoffs. Get the hint, he was just not that into us. I'd like to have Gooden, but that was a last minute release and Danny had to go for the sure thing in Mikki.

[Jeff]

didn't know where to put this so I'll add it here

Mikki Moore running under people looking for charge calls reminds me of Bruce Springsteen sliding into the camera at the Super Bowl halftime show

that is all, thank you

[winsomme]

The thing that bothers me the most is when Moore has rebounding position and someone else grabs the ball like Moore isn't even there.  I don't like wimpy big men!

that problem gets even worse in the playoffs when the physicality gets turned up another couple notches.

it's one of the most under recognized elements of what PJ did for us when he was in the game. he just didn't let himself get pushed around.

that said, what i think Mikki needs to focus on doing is "tap-outs." I think he could create a lot of extra possessions if he could simply focus on tapping the ball back out to the perimeter.

Also, he needs to take that little jumper when he has it. It totally screws up the offense when he gives an extra pass instead of taking a wide open J. It's probably the thing he does best, so take the shot if it's there...

honestly, it's the thing that worries me the most about him. If he's passing up wide open shots, that means he's afraid to take it or is thinking about it...and in the playoffs, teams smell fear...

Take the open Js, focus on tipping out the rebounds out and keep up the energy and cheerleading...that's my advice.

[Roy Hobbs]

Just to re-affirm what we all already know:

Mikki Moore continued his whistle-stop tour of the NBA as a member of the Boston Celtics last night, committing four more personal fouls in just 11 minutes of action. Moore scored 2 points and grabbed 1 rebound. After that ugly stat line, Moore now has as many personal fouls as points scored (57) in 15 games with the Celtics, and he has more fouls than rebounds (55).

For the season, including his stints in Boston and Sacramento, Moore is committing 8.1 fouls per 48 minutes, which makes him fifth in the NBA in that category. But if you take just his Celtics stats, Moore is committing a staggering 10.3 fouls per 48 minutes, which would be second to only Indiana rookie Roy Hibbert, who does at least average 6.5 points per game.

http://sportsblog.projo.com/2009/03/mikki-moore-fou.html

[The Walker Wiggle]

it's one of the most under recognized elements of what PJ did for us when he was in the game. he just didn't let himself get pushed around.

It's also little recognized that Moore is rebounding the ball just as well as Brown did in his time here last season, 3.7 vs 3.8; and shooting the ball far, far better, 52% vs 34%, while scoring more, 3.6 vs 2.2 - so maybe less wrong with his shot selection than some would like to suggest. He's also getting as many blocks and steals, and not turning the ball over any more often, 0.6 vs 0.56, despite those awful hands.

This to me smacks of Boston negativity at its worst. I'm tempted to spend some time digging around at Pounding the Rock for the Oberto SUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKSSSSS threads or at Forum Blue and Gold to see how often L.A. throws D.J. Mbenga under the bus... Honestly, Moore is one of the last in line for blame during the 8-7 skid, behind Ainge, injuries, Doc Rivers, the starters, the firing of Lucky...

P.S. He's made a more positive offensive impact than Marbury. (2.7 PTS on 30% FG and 50% FT 2.8 AST vs 1.64 TOs...)

[housecall]

Just to re-affirm what we all already know:

Mikki Moore continued his whistle-stop tour of the NBA as a member of the Boston Celtics last night, committing four more personal fouls in just 11 minutes of action. Moore scored 2 points and grabbed 1 rebound. After that ugly stat line, Moore now has as many personal fouls as points scored (57) in 15 games with the Celtics, and he has more fouls than rebounds (55).

For the season, including his stints in Boston and Sacramento, Moore is committing 8.1 fouls per 48 minutes, which makes him fifth in the NBA in that category. But if you take just his Celtics stats, Moore is committing a staggering 10.3 fouls per 48 minutes, which would be second to only Indiana rookie Roy Hibbert, who does at least average 6.5 points per game.

http://sportsblog.projo.com/2009/03/mikki-moore-fou.html

Yahoo Sports writer said he was the "most astrcious" player in the nba yesterday on weei radio...from reading your post,that makes him the 2nd most astrocious player in the league.

[moiso]

8.1 fouls per 48minutes!  That made me laugh!  I have to tell my friends about that stat.

[winsomme]

it's one of the most under recognized elements of what PJ did for us when he was in the game. he just didn't let himself get pushed around.

It's also little recognized that Moore is rebounding the ball just as well as Brown did in his time here last season, 3.7 vs 3.8; and shooting the ball far, far better, 52% vs 34%, while scoring more, 3.6 vs 2.2 - so maybe less wrong with his shot selection than some would like to suggest. He's also getting as many blocks and steals, and not turning the ball over any more often, 0.6 vs 0.56, despite those "awful hands."

This to me smacks of Boston negativity at its worst. I'm tempted to spend some time digging around at Pounding the Rock for the Oberto SUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKSSSSS threads or at Forum Blue and Gold to see how often L.A. throws D.J. Mbenga under the bus...
Honestly, Moore is one of the last in line for blame during the 8-7 skid, behind Ainge, injuries, Doc Rivers, the starters, the firing of Lucky...

P.S. He's made a more positive offensive impact than Marbury. (2.7 PTS on 30% FG and 50% FT 28 AST vs 1.64 TOs...)

that's the problem at looking at the stat sheets for the answers, though.

Mikki is getting pushed around the blocks like crazy. and that is only going to get tougher in the playoffs with the likes of Maxiell and Pachulia, etc...

the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

but like i said, if Mikki really focuses on a few things, I think he could have a positive impact.

he does hit that little jumper...that right there could be a big boost. but he's gotta take the shot. can't pass up open jumpers...

[EJPLAYA]

This whole line of discussion comes from one place only. With Scal and TA injured and not playing, and POB traded away to another squad, we have no one else to badmouth. Very few on here have the guts to call out the starters and what they are doing wrong, rather make excuses for them. Instead they look for the second and third stringers to rip on. Obviously these guys have major flaws or they'd be starting somewhere. They however are not however the difference in us winning and losing most of the time and certainly won't get many minutes when it matters in the playoffs. The guy played 11 minutes last night matched up against Dwight Howard who is an athletic freak. Please people...

[winsomme]

This whole line of discussion comes from one place only. With Scal and TA injured and not playing, and POB traded away to another squad, we have no one else to badmouth. Very few on here have the guts to call out the starters and what they are doing wrong, rather make excuses for them. Instead they look for the second and third stringers to rip on. Obviously these guys have major flaws or they'd be starting somewhere. They however are not however the difference in us winning and losing most of the time and certainly won't get many minutes when it matters in the playoffs. The guy played 11 minutes last night matched up against Dwight Howard who is an athletic freak. Please people...

i have no problem criticizing the starters.

but i think when the separation between teams is so fine, role players become even more important.

the balance of power is teetering at this point.

is it fair to put so much pressure on guys? no. but honestly, that is why they came here. they want their turn at the plate.

criticizing Mikki or Steph or any other bench guy isn't taking other players off the hook. it is merely assessing their play in an important role.

i remember last playoffs and you were killing Sam....how is that different than breaking down Mikki's game?

Anyway, Mikki can do some things out there. Personally, I would prefer my backup center bring toughness to the table, but that's not his game. So I think he needs to start doing other things that he can do.

I'm not folding. and I couldn't be rooting harder for the guy....I think it is just the nature of the boiler pot that he has jumped into.

[crownsy]

This whole line of discussion comes from one place only. With Scal and TA injured and not playing, and POB traded away to another squad, we have no one else to badmouth. Very few on here have the guts to call out the starters and what they are doing wrong, rather make excuses for them. Instead they look for the second and third stringers to rip on. Obviously these guys have major flaws or they'd be starting somewhere. They however are not however the difference in us winning and losing most of the time and certainly won't get many minutes when it matters in the playoffs. The guy played 11 minutes last night matched up against Dwight Howard who is an athletic freak. Please people...

No EJ, it comes from the fact that he's a really bad player, its that simple.

I'm still pulling for him, he plays hard and he wears green, but lets be honest, he's awful.

[Edgar]

 Mikki isnt the wost defensive big man in the league..
he is.

[Roy Hobbs]

This whole line of discussion comes from one place only. With Scal and TA injured and not playing, and POB traded away to another squad, we have no one else to badmouth. Very few on here have the guts to call out the starters and what they are doing wrong, rather make excuses for them. Instead they look for the second and third stringers to rip on. Obviously these guys have major flaws or they'd be starting somewhere. They however are not however the difference in us winning and losing most of the time and certainly won't get many minutes when it matters in the playoffs. The guy played 11 minutes last night matched up against Dwight Howard who is an athletic freak. Please people...

Says the guy who has spent months criticizing BBD.