Report: Stephon Marbury Will be a Celtic

[Fafnir]

So will Gabe Pruitt. So would any number of PGs we could bring in here. I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that Stephon Marbury is our best option just because he has a little overhyped talent.

A "little" overhyped talent? ****. Stephon Marbury has SICK - SICK talent. That's the whole issue with him. He is total NBA freak the kind of guy who seems born with a basketball in his hand. Its guys like Marbury who make it seem as if rec players like me are playing an entirely different sport.

The guy has averages of 20 points and 8 assists.. How many guys in the NBA do that? Those are CAREER AVERAGES. The last PG we had who even came close to that was Sherm Douglas. You have to go all the way back to Tiny Archibald to find those kind of numbers. And you know what - Marbury's averages are STILL better then Tiny's career averages.

Your losing all kinds of credibility with lame insults claiming Marbury had a little overhyped talent. <g> The guy is a ridiculously good pick up for us. Remember he is only 31 years old.

The only downside to this acquisition is that we already have a near all-star in Rondo and neither can really play well off the ball. <g> So together they don't have any synergy.

Zach Randolph has great averages too. 20/10 or 20/8 doesn't mean much unless you look deeper. He got his points by shooting a lot at a poor percentage.

He is a basketball talent, but talent doesn't equal wins. Talent doesn't equal titles. You have to play a team game and an efficient game to win. He has done neither at any point in his career.

Rondo this year is having a better season than Marbury ever had.

He upgrades the talent on our bench. He's coming cheap, and I hope he fits in. He's a true point, which is covers up one of our gaping needs on the bench. All of this is good, but he's a cancer.

Three months isn't too long to keep him on board with a team game, hopefully.

[Fafnir]

As someone else mentioned I'm glad we didn't have to trade any of young guys Powe, BBD, Giddens, Walker, or Pruitt to get both of these guys.  We can finally put all the Scal + BBD + Pruitt or whoever trade ideas to rest.  

What worries me with most PGs starting with a new team in midstream during the season is that he has to learn all the plays and doesn't have a training camp to work with.   We saw this last year where Cassel didn't know the plays good enough to run them efficiently.  I just hope the ball doesn't get sticky and the ball movement is still there with the second unit.  

TP for a great point. Moore should have no problem fitting in even while he's learning the plays. He can roll to open spots and he'll be able to finish at the rim playing off of the Big 3 and Rondo. PGs are gonna have much more of a problem as was shown last year with Cassell and that's well before you bring Marbury's long list of issues into the fold. This just screams disaster.

Can't say the ball moves that well with TA or Eddie handling the ball. Marbury will have options on the wings and he will have bigs underneath to dish to - he can play the game and will have vets in Moore and House that will help him.

So will Gabe Pruitt. So would any number of PGs we could bring in here. I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that Stephon Marbury is our best option just because he has a little overhyped talent.

I really like Pruitt. But he is not a better option than Marbury as long as Marbury doesn't explode into silly selfish play or is in any sort of shape.

I do agree that Marbury is overhyped.

[phaze]

I think that the days of Rondo looking over his shoulder are done.  I think that he knows that he has the confidence of Doc and his teammates at this point.

No kidding.  Rondo is right on the cusp of being something very special.

[Edgar]

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Wait wait when did you go back to wdleehi? That is a much more important question than any that can arise from Starbury.

If Starbury can turn over a new leaf, so can Wide Load.  He was the cancer of the Celticsblog staff.  By going back to wdleehi, we think he can become a solid contributor for the rest of the season.

no i think ths is onl a financial move, thirsty for TPs more than him not being a locker room cancer anymore 

[Sweet17]

The cancer thing gets thrown around too much. The real truth is that most people are not special human beings who show their best in the face of disaster. Most people kind of go with the flow.

Put Marbury on some dysfuntional poorly run franchise and you get a dysfunctional problematic player. But much like Randy Moss in the best situation you might get someone surprisingly good..

[markketch]

Marbury has made every team he's been on worse.

Marbury with the T-Wolves:

Best record? 45-39
Record in first season after his departure? 50-32

Marbury with the Nets (traded in the lockout-shortened '99 season):

Season Before? 43-39
First full year with Marbury? 31-51
Best year with Marbury? 31-51 (they went 26-56 the next year)
Record the year after Marbury left? 52-30

Marbury with the Suns:

Season before? 51-31
First year with Marbury? 36-46
Best year with Marbury? 44-53
Record the year after Marbury's departure? 62-20

Marbury with the Knicks:

Season before? 37-45
First full year with Marbury? 33-49
Best record with Marbury? 33-49
Record the year Marbury isn't playing? 24-32 (better winning percentage than 33-49)

[Fafnir]

The cancer thing gets thrown around too much. The real truth is that most people are not special human beings who show their best in the face of disaster. Most people kind of go with the flow.

Put Marbury on some dysfuntional poorly run franchise and you get a dysfunctional problematic player. But much like Randy Moss in the best situation you might get someone surprisingly good..

But the Nets/Suns both traded him and immediately became NBA title contenders for several years. Part of that is the talent they brought in to replace him, but by all reports he was a toxic teammate in both organizations. Neither was particularly dysfunctional while he was there or after he was gone.

A quote from the NYTimes from a Nets teammate:

In 1999, with the Nets, one Nets player said this about Marbury:

    “He gets on Kerry Kittles and Keith. He doesn’t respect them as players, and I think that hurts us. I hate to see expressions on guys’ faces now. When they walk into the locker room, their heads are down and nobody talks to anybody.

    “He’s a great player. You can’t take nothing away from him. But we see right through him. Maybe it’s not even his fault. They put him in the driver’s seat, handed over the keys and said, ‘Make us go.’ At 22 years old, that’s a lot to ask.”

[cordobes]

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That article is kind of frightening...

[shiggins]

The cancer thing gets thrown around too much. The real truth is that most people are not special human beings who show their best in the face of disaster. Most people kind of go with the flow.

Put Marbury on some dysfuntional poorly run franchise and you get a dysfunctional problematic player. But much like Randy Moss in the best situation you might get someone surprisingly good..

But the Nets/Suns both traded him and immediately became NBA title contenders for several years. Part of that is the talent they brought in to replace him, but by all reports he was a toxic teammate in both organizations. Neither was particularly dysfunctional while he was there or after he was gone.

A quote from the NYTimes from a Nets teammate:

In 1999, with the Nets, one Nets player said this about Marbury:

    “He gets on Kerry Kittles and Keith. He doesn’t respect them as players, and I think that hurts us. I hate to see expressions on guys’ faces now. When they walk into the locker room, their heads are down and nobody talks to anybody.

    “He’s a great player. You can’t take nothing away from him. But we see right through him. Maybe it’s not even his fault. They put him in the driver’s seat, handed over the keys and said, ‘Make us go.’ At 22 years old, that’s a lot to ask.”

I wouldnt respect either Kerry Kittles or Keith Van Horn either, both were terrible players.

[Fafnir]

The cancer thing gets thrown around too much. The real truth is that most people are not special human beings who show their best in the face of disaster. Most people kind of go with the flow.

Put Marbury on some dysfuntional poorly run franchise and you get a dysfunctional problematic player. But much like Randy Moss in the best situation you might get someone surprisingly good..

But the Nets/Suns both traded him and immediately became NBA title contenders for several years. Part of that is the talent they brought in to replace him, but by all reports he was a toxic teammate in both organizations. Neither was particularly dysfunctional while he was there or after he was gone.

A quote from the NYTimes from a Nets teammate:

In 1999, with the Nets, one Nets player said this about Marbury:

    “He gets on Kerry Kittles and Keith. He doesn’t respect them as players, and I think that hurts us. I hate to see expressions on guys’ faces now. When they walk into the locker room, their heads are down and nobody talks to anybody.

    “He’s a great player. You can’t take nothing away from him. But we see right through him. Maybe it’s not even his fault. They put him in the driver’s seat, handed over the keys and said, ‘Make us go.’ At 22 years old, that’s a lot to ask.”

I wouldnt respect either Kerry Kittles or Keith Van Horn either, both were terrible players.

They were his teammates and productive NBA players for many years. If an article came out saying Paul didn't respect Baby and House and yelled at them all the time it'd be okay? Because Horn and Kittles were better players than House/BBD.

[acieEarl]

The cancer thing gets thrown around too much. The real truth is that most people are not special human beings who show their best in the face of disaster. Most people kind of go with the flow.

Put Marbury on some dysfuntional poorly run franchise and you get a dysfunctional problematic player. But much like Randy Moss in the best situation you might get someone surprisingly good..

You gotta think Marbury will be on his best behavior and if he acts up just a little bit, Celts would just cut him. This team is too strong for Marbury to mess up.

[Thruthelookingglass]

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That article is kind of frightening...

Wow, that really doesn't pull any punches.  Though I guess I've accepted that this is gonna happen and I'll hope for the best, I am afraid that Woj is right. 

[cordobes]

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That article is kind of frightening...

Wow, that really doesn't pull any punches.  Though I guess I've accepted that this is gonna happen and I'll hope for the best, I am afraid that Woj is right. 

That's my position as well.

[CelticsWhat35]

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That article is kind of frightening...

If that were the case, Marbury would've either refused a buyout and kept his entire contract, or signed with another playoff team like the Heat, who don't present the pressure of winning a title, because they're not a real contender.

[MBz]

Marbury has made every team he's been on worse.

Marbury with the T-Wolves:

Best record? 45-39
Record in first season after his departure? 50-32

Marbury with the Nets (traded in the lockout-shortened '99 season):

Season Before? 43-39
First full year with Marbury? 31-51
Best year with Marbury? 31-51 (they went 26-56 the next year)
Record the year after Marbury left? 52-30

Marbury with the Suns:

Season before? 51-31
First year with Marbury? 36-46
Best year with Marbury? 44-53
Record the year after Marbury's departure? 62-20

Marbury with the Knicks:

Season before? 37-45
First full year with Marbury? 33-49
Best record with Marbury? 33-49
Record the year Marbury isn't playing? 24-32 (better winning percentage than 33-49)

I don't think this really works.  First in Minnesota, Kevin Garnett turned into one of the best players in the league, think that may have helped them gotten better?  In New Jersey, those teams just weren't very good to begin with, also that first year I believe Cassell was hurt during his time with them.  He was one of the better scorers on that team, also the head coach was John Calipari, who was a terrible NBA coach.  After the trade, yes Kidd was better fit then Marbury, but they also added K-Mart and Richard Jefferson.  Those guys were pretty good players when the nets were contending.  Now to the suns, Amare got better, the year before they got Nash, Steph was hurt, Amare was hurt a bit, Penny Hardaway was hurt.  They had a case of the injuries, a lot of people thought they were going to get better, but they all got hurt.  Then, Steph was out, and Nash and D'Antoni's SSOL style came into play.  Do we really need to talk about the Knicks?  They had no one on the team, Isiah Thomas was an awful coach.  This year, they added some more talent, D'Antoni and Walsh have done a good job getting basketball players.  I don't think Steph was the primary reason any of these teams got better after he departed.