Trade Rondo

[RAcker]

If you enjoyed Celtics basketball from 1992-2006, this is the plan for you!

[Kiorrik]

Honestly, great topic. Very entertaining.

Thought, the topic title should be changed to "Rondo appreciation-topic".

Would fit the content

[slamtheking]

Rondo is as good as he's gonna get.  He should have broke out this year but instead he is playing   the same, which is good but not great.  He is going to demand a hefty salary in a year and I don't think we should invest in a point guard that can't shoot and isn't even the 3rd smartest player on his team.  It's known that Doc can't communicate with him and that's why they kept Sam around. 

Rondo is a good player but I don't believe we will resign him and so if you can put a package together that lands a big and then sign Marbury.  I think our team is better. 

A lot of people will disagree with this because of our current record but is Rondo the reason we have a great record?  He hurts and helps this team and we've won despite his faults more times than we've won because of his positive attributes.   

Um, based on what observation?  Obviously your talent evaluation is beyond the layman's understanding.

[slamtheking]

I'm not a huge fan of Rondo...but I wouldn't trade him for a while. Ever since shipping out Joe Johnson and Chauncey back in the day, i've been hesitant to give up on young guys so early unless they were so abysmal it's not even funny. (I wouldn't even ship POB out yet)

Just curious, considering it took Billups 5 years to develop, how was trading him for a proven starting PG a bad move?  The youth on this team took a beating for years if they didn't develop by their sophomore season.  There's no way the fanbase would have been patient for 5 years for him to develop.

Johnson's a different story.  He showed more promise than Brown their rookie year-->should have been Kedrick that was shipped off.

[acieEarl]

yea guys who get triple doubles sux. Yea we need a shooting PG like starberry. Starberry is a proven winner.

Rondo could have easily had had bout 5-6 triple doubles had they left him in.

Actually we need to clone Rondo for a backup when we rest Rondo.

[steve]

 

[BigAlTheFuture]

I didn't bother reading the post because the title itself is just ridiculous. We can't trade our point guard of the future.

[Birdbrain]

yea guys who get triple doubles sux. Yea we need a shooting PG like starberry. Starberry is a proven winner.

Rondo could have easily had had bout 5-6 triple doubles had they left him in.

Actually we need to clone Rondo for a backup when we rest Rondo.

Yeah now this is great idea.  There are few posters on this site that aren't as taken with Rondo as most are including me. 

[dark_lord]

cmon steve, you got to do better than that!  its ok to have a different opinion, but stick to your guns and support your stance. 

[steve]

cmon steve, you got to do better than that!  its ok to have a different opinion, but stick to your guns and support your stance. 

He doesn't have a high basketball IQ.  And for a point guard I think that is crucial.  I don't feel comfortable in late game situations with Rondo running the point.  Luckily we have clutch performers that mask Rondo's poor IQ.  But to give the guy an extension and to proclaim him as the future when Allen and Pierce are no longer superstars is stupid in my opinion. 

I know people think that his inability to shoot is cool but in the playoffs if they leave him open and he doesn't shoot then we are screwed.  This is a huge problem.  I know we won the title last year but the Hawks and the Cav's took us to 7.  Imagine if teams HAD to cover Rondo, the lanes it would open up and the double teams that it would avoid. 

I don't care what anybody says about the relationship between Doc and Rondo, I can plainly see that there is no communication, no trust.  A couple of games ago the shot clock ran down and Doc looked at Rondo and yelled, "Shoot the F'n ball!"  This is unsettling to me.  And he has been in a few arguments with Ray Allen as well.     

I think Rondo is good but I also think that his stock is as high as its going to get and that I would rather have a big and a smarter point guard that can shoot.

I would love to see someone like Steve Blake, Hinrich, Andre Miller or TJ Ford be the point guard on this team. 

Hell if Ray Allen can be a good defender in our system then why couldn't these guys. 

I'm not saying these guys are light years better than Rondo, I'm saying that a good big and a capable point guard is better than Rondo.  And that now is the time to cash in even though certain fans would cry as evident by these last 4 pages.     

[cdif911]

I didn't bother reading the post because the title itself is just ridiculous. We can't trade our point guard of the future.

he's not just the pg of the future, he's the pg of today

[Steve Weinman]

cmon steve, you got to do better than that!  its ok to have a different opinion, but stick to your guns and support your stance. 

He doesn't have a high basketball IQ.  And for a point guard I think that is crucial.  I don't feel comfortable in late game situations with Rondo running the point.  Luckily we have clutch performers that mask Rondo's poor IQ.  But to give the guy an extension and to proclaim him as the future when Allen and Pierce are no longer superstars is stupid in my opinion. 

I know people think that his inability to shoot is cool but in the playoffs if they leave him open and he doesn't shoot then we are screwed.  This is a huge problem.  I know we won the title last year but the Hawks and the Cav's took us to 7.  Imagine if teams HAD to cover Rondo, the lanes it would open up and the double teams that it would avoid. 

I don't care what anybody says about the relationship between Doc and Rondo, I can plainly see that there is no communication, no trust.  A couple of games ago the shot clock ran down and Doc looked at Rondo and yelled, "Shoot the F'n ball!"  This is unsettling to me.  And he has been in a few arguments with Ray Allen as well.     

I think Rondo is good but I also think that his stock is as high as its going to get and that I would rather have a big and a smarter point guard that can shoot.

I would love to see someone like Steve Blake, Hinrich, Andre Miller or TJ Ford be the point guard on this team. 

Hell if Ray Allen can be a good defender in our system then why couldn't these guys. 

I'm not saying these guys are light years better than Rondo, I'm saying that a good big and a capable point guard is better than Rondo.  And that now is the time to cash in even though certain fans would cry as evident by these last 4 pages.     

While I agree with certain parts of your assessment (of course his shooting needs to improve, and while I think you're being a bit harsh on his BBIQ, I'm not quite as high on his decision-making on most), I still side with the panel on general sentiment on this one, and I find your analysis is troubling overall.

Since you "don't care what anybody says" regarding Doc and Rondo, I won't waste too many words, except to say that cherry-picking one particular instance of Doc yelling at him is plain evidence of "no communication, no trust" strikes me as absurd.  Seems odd to omit, say, the umpteen interviews Doc has given where he says something to the effect of "Yep, I told the guys play defense, get the ball off the glass and get it right to Rajon so that he can get us on the run and create."

As for your suggestions for who you'd rather see as the point guard on this team, I wonder what you'd find if you looked at fan boards of those teams - or even if you got inside the heads of their front offices.  With the *possible* exception of Andre Miller, here's guessing the fans and brass of each of those teams would kill to have Rondo instead of Blake, Hinrich or Ford.  Besides outside shooting, what does Steve Blake do better than Rondo?  The Ford choice strikes me as especially odd, since it isn't as though he's much of a shooter either.

-sw

[guava_wrench]

Rondo is good... but I don't feel that superstar vibe watching him as I do watching someone like Rose. If you can truly trade him for someone worthwhile like the Jefferson/KG trade, I say do it. He's definitely far from untouchable in my opinion.

I can see your point of view, but Steve is really out of touch.

He hasn't even said what kind of talent he thinks is equivalent. Generalizations about 'a big' and 'a PG' are meaningless.

[steve]

cmon steve, you got to do better than that!  its ok to have a different opinion, but stick to your guns and support your stance. 

He doesn't have a high basketball IQ.  And for a point guard I think that is crucial.  I don't feel comfortable in late game situations with Rondo running the point.  Luckily we have clutch performers that mask Rondo's poor IQ.  But to give the guy an extension and to proclaim him as the future when Allen and Pierce are no longer superstars is stupid in my opinion. 

I know people think that his inability to shoot is cool but in the playoffs if they leave him open and he doesn't shoot then we are screwed.  This is a huge problem.  I know we won the title last year but the Hawks and the Cav's took us to 7.  Imagine if teams HAD to cover Rondo, the lanes it would open up and the double teams that it would avoid. 

I don't care what anybody says about the relationship between Doc and Rondo, I can plainly see that there is no communication, no trust.  A couple of games ago the shot clock ran down and Doc looked at Rondo and yelled, "Shoot the F'n ball!"  This is unsettling to me.  And he has been in a few arguments with Ray Allen as well.     

I think Rondo is good but I also think that his stock is as high as its going to get and that I would rather have a big and a smarter point guard that can shoot.

I would love to see someone like Steve Blake, Hinrich, Andre Miller or TJ Ford be the point guard on this team. 

Hell if Ray Allen can be a good defender in our system then why couldn't these guys. 

I'm not saying these guys are light years better than Rondo, I'm saying that a good big and a capable point guard is better than Rondo.  And that now is the time to cash in even though certain fans would cry as evident by these last 4 pages.     

While I agree with certain parts of your assessment (of course his shooting needs to improve, and while I think you're being a bit harsh on his BBIQ, I'm not quite as high on his decision-making on most), I still side with the panel on general sentiment on this one, and I find your analysis is troubling overall.

Since you "don't care what anybody says" regarding Doc and Rondo, I won't waste too many words, except to say that cherry-picking one particular instance of Doc yelling at him is plain evidence of "no communication, no trust" strikes me as absurd.  Seems odd to omit, say, the umpteen interviews Doc has given where he says something to the effect of "Yep, I told the guys play defense, get the ball off the glass and get it right to Rajon so that he can get us on the run and create."

As for your suggestions for who you'd rather see as the point guard on this team, I wonder what you'd find if you looked at fan boards of those teams - or even if you got inside the heads of their front offices.  With the *possible* exception of Andre Miller, here's guessing the fans and brass of each of those teams would kill to have Rondo instead of Blake, Hinrich or Ford.  Besides outside shooting, what does Steve Blake do better than Rondo?  The Ford choice strikes me as especially odd, since it isn't as though he's much of a shooter either.

-sw

Maybe its more of a feeling I get when I see Doc and Rondo's interactions which are few and far between. 

Once again I'm not saying Rondo isn't better than those players I'm saying that I'd rather have someone like Lamarcus Aldrich and a bought out Marbury.

[Roy Hobbs]

cmon steve, you got to do better than that!  its ok to have a different opinion, but stick to your guns and support your stance. 

He doesn't have a high basketball IQ.  And for a point guard I think that is crucial.  I don't feel comfortable in late game situations with Rondo running the point.  Luckily we have clutch performers that mask Rondo's poor IQ.  But to give the guy an extension and to proclaim him as the future when Allen and Pierce are no longer superstars is stupid in my opinion. 

I know people think that his inability to shoot is cool but in the playoffs if they leave him open and he doesn't shoot then we are screwed.  This is a huge problem.  I know we won the title last year but the Hawks and the Cav's took us to 7.  Imagine if teams HAD to cover Rondo, the lanes it would open up and the double teams that it would avoid. 

I don't care what anybody says about the relationship between Doc and Rondo, I can plainly see that there is no communication, no trust.  A couple of games ago the shot clock ran down and Doc looked at Rondo and yelled, "Shoot the F'n ball!"  This is unsettling to me.  And he has been in a few arguments with Ray Allen as well.     

I think Rondo is good but I also think that his stock is as high as its going to get and that I would rather have a big and a smarter point guard that can shoot.

I would love to see someone like Steve Blake, Hinrich, Andre Miller or TJ Ford be the point guard on this team. 

Hell if Ray Allen can be a good defender in our system then why couldn't these guys. 

I'm not saying these guys are light years better than Rondo, I'm saying that a good big and a capable point guard is better than Rondo.  And that now is the time to cash in even though certain fans would cry as evident by these last 4 pages.     

While I agree with certain parts of your assessment (of course his shooting needs to improve, and while I think you're being a bit harsh on his BBIQ, I'm not quite as high on his decision-making on most), I still side with the panel on general sentiment on this one, and I find your analysis is troubling overall.

Since you "don't care what anybody says" regarding Doc and Rondo, I won't waste too many words, except to say that cherry-picking one particular instance of Doc yelling at him is plain evidence of "no communication, no trust" strikes me as absurd.  Seems odd to omit, say, the umpteen interviews Doc has given where he says something to the effect of "Yep, I told the guys play defense, get the ball off the glass and get it right to Rajon so that he can get us on the run and create."

As for your suggestions for who you'd rather see as the point guard on this team, I wonder what you'd find if you looked at fan boards of those teams - or even if you got inside the heads of their front offices.  With the *possible* exception of Andre Miller, here's guessing the fans and brass of each of those teams would kill to have Rondo instead of Blake, Hinrich or Ford.  Besides outside shooting, what does Steve Blake do better than Rondo?  The Ford choice strikes me as especially odd, since it isn't as though he's much of a shooter either.

-sw

Maybe its more of a feeling I get when I see Doc and Rondo's interactions which are few and far between. 

Once again I'm not saying Rondo isn't better than those players I'm saying that I'd rather have someone like Lamarcus Aldrich and a bought out Marbury.

Well, sure.  If the Blazers are going to trade us Blake + Aldridge, it's a deal the Celts would at least strongly consider.  However, it's very unlikely that another team is going to trade us a starting point guard plus a big man with star potential for Rondo.