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Did Gary Payton use the "N" word last night?
« on: February 16, 2009, 01:13:10 PM »

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I don't have a YouTube clip of this, but on the Inside the NBA video (link below) during the dance off he had with Kenny Smith I'm 99% sure he used the words "I'm gonna start slow n***a" - anyone else think so? Or have I misheard something.

If this is the case, then I really hope and expect that idiot to be taken off the air.

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I don't have a YouTube clip of this, but on the Inside the NBA video (link below) during the dance off he had with Kenny Smith I'm 99% sure he used the words "I'm gonna start slow n***a" - anyone else think so? Or have I misheard something.

If this is the case, then I really hope and expect that idiot to be taken off the air.

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I also find it very strange when black people use the "N" word between each other without being offended, but get totally crazy when somebody else uses it.  If Payton had been representing the UK BBC channel he would have been sacked for using that word.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 01:48:50 PM »

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Yea it does sound like he said it twice.

(around the 23-24minute area for those looking for it)

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 01:54:49 PM »

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I don't have a YouTube clip of this, but on the Inside the NBA video (link below) during the dance off he had with Kenny Smith I'm 99% sure he used the words "I'm gonna start slow n***a" - anyone else think so? Or have I misheard something.

If this is the case, then I really hope and expect that idiot to be taken off the air.

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I also find it very strange when black people use the "N" word between each other without being offended, but get totally crazy when somebody else uses it.  If Payton had been representing the UK BBC channel he would have been sacked for using that word.

I think it depends on the context and setting.  Amongst friends and not using in an insulting manner, than it may be okay.  However, on television, there should be no excuse for it.  Whether you are black, white, or anywhere in between, if you say that in a nationally televised, you know are bound to offend someone.
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yeah he def says it (24:45)

go to 20 mins to see KG making fun of Sager...again.  Hilarious.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 02:08:38 PM »

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I also find it very strange when black people use the "N" word between each other without being offended, but get totally crazy when somebody else uses it. 

This is a concept that many disagree with, even in the black community.  And I can't speak for everyone, but this is my feeling on it:

It isn't really possible to convey what it feels like for someone to look you in the eye and call you the N word with contempt.  It's like...it's like if someone just walked up to you and your wife, and just started kissing her in front of you.  In my experience, my first reaction isn't even anger...it's more of a sick feeling in the stomach, a split second when you question whether maybe that guy is right.  Maybe I am less than a person, not worth the respect that you'd give even your pet dog.  Then, reality hits and that sick feeling turns into anger and the desire to take that hurt feeling from yourself and inflict it on the opposing person.

I've been lucky.  In my lifetime there have generally been avenues with which I could defend myself in such situations, and such situations have been few and far between.  But in my dad's life?  For someone to not only be able to TELL you with sincerity that you are worthless, but then to also have the means to enforce that with your very life if you choose to disagree with them.  People, especially young people, forget just how bad it was to be black in America just a generation ago.  So take all of the pain and anguish of a people and condense it down to one word, and for many blacks that is what it is like for someone of another race to use the N word.

But it feels TERRIBLE for one measly word to have that kind of power over you.  So, what do you do to take the power out of that word?  For many, they decided to own it.  The logic is that if I use the N word all of the time, it loses a bit of power each time I hear it.  And if I use it to refer to friends and people that I care about, then it hurts just that much less if someone else uses it differently.  You basically re-define the word, and then if anyone tries to use it to hurt you again you can tell yourself that THEY'RE the ones that are using it wrong, THEY'RE the ones that are not worthy of respect.  And it makes it easier to deal.

Now, I don't think most people have really thought it out to that degree.  And especially among young folks that were never called the N word in anger in their lives, and are young enough for Obama to be one of the first president's they ever knew...I don't know if they have any thought at all as to why they should or shouldn't use the N word.  I personally use it without a lot of thought among my friends and family, but in recent years I find myself thinking more and more about it.  But that's a whole different conversation.  The point of this post was to point out that there really is some twisted, tortured logic for the "we can use it but you can't" mentality...whether you agree with it or understand it is another matter, and maybe I'm just not a good enough writer to convey it on a message board.

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I don't have a YouTube clip of this, but on the Inside the NBA video (link below) during the dance off he had with Kenny Smith I'm 99% sure he used the words "I'm gonna start slow n***a" - anyone else think so? Or have I misheard something.

If this is the case, then I really hope and expect that idiot to be taken off the air.

Video

I also find it very strange when black people use the "N" word between each other without being offended, but get totally crazy when somebody else uses it.  If Payton had been representing the UK BBC channel he would have been sacked for using that word.

I think it depends on the context and setting.  Amongst friends and not using in an insulting manner, than it may be okay.

Or if it's in a Mel Brooks flick  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I

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Both that I've offended you but
also because you have no humor  ;)


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You know, just in general.

Re: Did Gary Payton use the "N" word last night?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 02:40:37 PM »

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Let it go, girls... we know you all hate the Great Gary Payton, because he correctly pointed out Rondo was under performing early in the season...   

But we don't need a new "I h8 GP!!!!1111!1!1!" thread every other day.  It's getting old.

Threads crying about any anti-Celtic remark he makes.

Threads calling him reverse-racist for joking all redheads look alike?

Threads pointing out his potential use of the "N" word despite the fact that it's common knowledge black people say this frequently to each other as basically a term of endearment...

Let it go, you sissies.  Let it go. 

This thread will get locked.  Lets leave this "n word" topic to Chris Rock and lets keep the Gary Payton catty chatter to a minimum.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 02:45:55 PM by LarBrd33 »

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 02:44:48 PM »

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Let it go, girls... we know you all hate the Great Gary Payton, because he correctly pointed out Rondo was under performing early in the season...   

But we don't need a new "I h8 GP!!!!1111!1!1!" thread every other day.  It's getting old.

Threads crying about any anti-Celtic remark he makes.

Threads calling him reverse-racist for joking all redheads look alike?

Threads pointing out his potential use of the "N" word despite the fact that it's common knowledge black people say this frequently to each other as basically a term of endearment...

Let it go, you sissies.  Let it go. 

This thread will get locked.  Lets leave this "n word" topic to Chris Rock and lets keep the Gary Payton catty chatter to a minimum.

agreed.

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Re: Did Gary Payton use the "N" word last night?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2009, 05:26:19 PM »

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Let it go, girls... we know you all hate the Great Gary Payton, because he correctly pointed out Rondo was under performing early in the season...   

But we don't need a new "I h8 GP!!!!1111!1!1!" thread every other day.  It's getting old.

Threads crying about any anti-Celtic remark he makes.

Threads calling him reverse-racist for joking all redheads look alike?

Threads pointing out his potential use of the "N" word despite the fact that it's common knowledge black people say this frequently to each other as basically a term of endearment...

Let it go, you sissies.  Let it go. 

This thread will get locked.  Lets leave this "n word" topic to Chris Rock and lets keep the Gary Payton catty chatter to a minimum.

Firstly, this is not a Gary Payton hate thread.

Secondly, I don't see how you can call everyone "sissies" for expressing their distaste (or support) of this.

Thirdly, I don't see why this thread would get locked. There are enough people on this site to have an intelligent discussion without resorting to racism of any kind. More to the point, this isn't a thread about the "n" word. So don't make it into one. If you want to discuss the use of that word do it elsewhere.

Back on topic, it seems that I'm not the only one who thought he said that. And I think, live on air with children potentially watching that this was extremely unprofessional. It wasn't meant in a malicious way, obviously, but regardless it was thoughtless and he should sure as hell be reprimanded for it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2009, 05:45:27 PM »

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Celticmaestro... all due respect... you're one of the posters on here that I like a lot... 



Come on, man.  Just admit you have it out for GP.  You made your anti-GP stance clear when you called him out on his joke about redheads

Quote from: celticmaestro
Generally, I don't think a comment like this should be taken offense to no matter who says it whether he be black or white. However, in Payton's case, I don't think it was a joke. While I'm not offended, I think this is reflective of his ignorant mindset and I have little to no time for him.

In the name of consistency, I'd like to see him reprimanded for this. Wont happen, and I wont lose sleep over it, but certainly should happen.

You essentially say, "the redhead comment isn't offense at all, but... Payton should be reprimanded for it, because well... he's Gary Payton!"...  That's just silly.  I'm sure you can understand why I doubt the credibility of your outrage over Payton using common slang.   

Like I said... it's nothing we haven't heard Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, the majority of hip hop artists and countless other black celebrities say.  No big deal.  Moving on.


Edited> Lar even if u use the smiley face thats rude
as rude is to call people girls or sissies even if its a joke
remember what its in the rules about the subtle sarcasm is
I dont want this thread goes somewhere else so please dont.

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Yeah, I hear it all the time from whites and blacks, so I guess the word is now okay?   ::)
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Yeah, I hear it all the time from whites and blacks, so I guess the word is now okay?

Chris Rock has a famous bit about the difference between *ger and *gah  ... You can find it pretty easily on Youtube. 

But yeah I mean... it's all about the context. 

Bottom line:  I think if anything the NBA would be far more concerned about cameras picking up Kevin Garnett screaming motherf**er a couple times a game... than Gary Payton muffling some common slang at midnight on a TNT broadcast.


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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2009, 06:00:48 PM »

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Celticmaestro... all due respect... you're one of the posters on here that I like a lot... 



Come on, man.  Just admit you have it out for GP.  You made your anti-GP stance clear when you called him out on his joke about redheads

Quote from: celticmaestro
Generally, I don't think a comment like this should be taken offense to no matter who says it whether he be black or white. However, in Payton's case, I don't think it was a joke. While I'm not offended, I think this is reflective of his ignorant mindset and I have little to no time for him.

In the name of consistency, I'd like to see him reprimanded for this. Wont happen, and I wont lose sleep over it, but certainly should happen.

You essentially say, "the redhead comment isn't offense at all, but... Payton should be reprimanded for it, because well... he's Gary Payton!"...  That's just silly.  I'm sure you can understand why I doubt the credibility of your outrage over Payton using common slang.   

Like I said... it's nothing we haven't heard Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, the majority of hip hop artists and countless other black celebrities say.  No big deal.  Moving on.


Edited> Lar even if u use the smiley face thats rude
as rude is to call people girls or sissies even if its a joke
remember what its in the rules about the subtle sarcasm is
I dont want this thread goes somewhere else so please dont.

Edgar

I don't like him, that part is true. But if it was Chris Webber - who I like a lot - or Kenny Smith I'd have said the same thing. It was unprofessional. There's a time and a place. I'm not black, but I think that a word that was used as a derogatory term for so long, now to be used as a term of endearment is silly. And to say it live on air with millions watching? That's just beyond stupid.