Marion to Toronto for O'Neal, Moon

[Donoghus]

Only problem i see w/this deal is JO maybe not staying healthy long enough to make an impact.If he can stay healthy throughout the playoffs,they will be a handful.

I think that any solid production that Miami gets out of O'Neal is simply an added bonus.  I really think this is about his contract, first and foremost.

Oh, they'll need to get some production out of him. If the rationale behind this trade was just to clear Banks $4 million in 2010/2011 from the books, then giving up Marion expiring and eating JO's salary next season was an incredible expensive price to pay.

I guess its a matter of what the team's short term expectations are for this current incarnation against the long-term expectations (i.e. 2010 & beyond).  If they honestly feel that O'Neal can bring them to the next level in a loaded East, then they'll certainly care about the production. If Riley has his eyes on 2010 and constructing (Wade + Superstar X) or (Superstar X & Superstar Y), I really don't think that he cares if he eats that extra year with O'Neal's contract.  I'm willing to bet that quite a few Miami Heat fans feel the same way.  Short-term, they're paying the extra price for what might benefit them long-term.

[cordobes]

Only problem i see w/this deal is JO maybe not staying healthy long enough to make an impact.If he can stay healthy throughout the playoffs,they will be a handful.

I think that any solid production that Miami gets out of O'Neal is simply an added bonus.  I really think this is about his contract, first and foremost.

Oh, they'll need to get some production out of him. If the rationale behind this trade was just to clear Banks $4 million in 2010/2011 from the books, then giving up Marion expiring and eating JO's salary next season was an incredible expensive price to pay.

I guess its a matter of what the team's short term expectations are for this current incarnation against the long-term expectations (i.e. 2010 & beyond).  If they honestly feel that O'Neal can bring them to the next level in a loaded East, then they'll certainly care about the production. If Riley has his eyes on 2010 and constructing (Wade + Superstar X) or (Superstar X & Superstar Y), I really don't think that he cares if he eats that extra year with O'Neal's contract.  I'm willing to bet that quite a few Miami Heat fans feel the same way.  Short-term, they're paying the extra price for what might benefit them long-term.

Well, but they could easily have packed Marion and Banks for a less expensive player, maybe even someone expiring this season.

I think it's a mix: O'Neal expires before 2010, and that was the main motivation to trade for him and he fits a need they have, allowing them to remain competitive.

[D Dub]

Anyone else think there is another shoe to drop?

Amare is reported to refuse to go to Toronto, which makes me think Kerr was close to agreeing on a JO trade.  That falls through, and now Pat Riely puts himself in position to offer JO & Beasly for Amare.  Getting Moon to replace Beasley makes that all the more possible.

On the other side, this solves Kerr's potential PR problem of dealing Amare to Miami for a guy he just traded, Marion.  JO plus MB is the best Kerr can do if he is intent on sending Amare east.  

Call me crazy, but pairing Amare and DWade seems like a Pat Riely kind of move.

[crownsy]

Anyone else think there is another shoe to drop?

Amare is reported to refuse to go to Toronto, which makes me think Kerr was close to agreeing on a JO trade.  That falls through, and now Pat Riely puts himself in position to offer JO & Beasly for Amare.  Getting Moon to replace Beasley makes that all the more possible.

On the other side, this solves Kerr's potential PR problem of dealing Amare to Miami for a guy he just traded, Marion.  JO plus MB is the best Kerr can do if he is intent on sending Amare east.  

Call me crazy, but pairing Amare and DWade seems like a Pat Riely kind of move.

I dont see why steve kerr would give a rats behind about amare not liking where he's sent, amare doesn't have a no trade clause.

I guess the raptors could have gotten in touch with amare directly pre-trade and he could have told them he'd refuse to play once he got to toronto, but i haden't heard that.

[Donoghus]

Anyone else think there is another shoe to drop?

Amare is reported to refuse to go to Toronto, which makes me think Kerr was close to agreeing on a JO trade.  That falls through, and now Pat Riely puts himself in position to offer JO & Beasly for Amare.  Getting Moon to replace Beasley makes that all the more possible.

On the other side, this solves Kerr's potential PR problem of dealing Amare to Miami for a guy he just traded, Marion.  JO plus MB is the best Kerr can do if he is intent on sending Amare east.  

Call me crazy, but pairing Amare and DWade seems like a Pat Riely kind of move.

I'm pretty sure there's a period (60 days?) that prohibits a player from being traded again right after being traded.  Since the trading deadline is Feb. 19th, it wouldn't happen this season.

[Brickowski]

I think Miami has done just fine pairing Beasley with Wade.  I think Amare is damaged goods and in the long run Beasley will be better.

[Brickowski]

Anyone else think there is another shoe to drop?

Amare is reported to refuse to go to Toronto, which makes me think Kerr was close to agreeing on a JO trade.  That falls through, and now Pat Riely puts himself in position to offer JO & Beasly for Amare.  Getting Moon to replace Beasley makes that all the more possible.

On the other side, this solves Kerr's potential PR problem of dealing Amare to Miami for a guy he just traded, Marion.  JO plus MB is the best Kerr can do if he is intent on sending Amare east.  

Call me crazy, but pairing Amare and DWade seems like a Pat Riely kind of move.

I'm pretty sure there's a period (60 days?) that prohibits a player from being traded again right after being traded.  Since the trading deadline is Feb. 19th, it wouldn't happen this season.

No, he just can't be traded in a package with other players.

[Donoghus]

Anyone else think there is another shoe to drop?

Amare is reported to refuse to go to Toronto, which makes me think Kerr was close to agreeing on a JO trade.  That falls through, and now Pat Riely puts himself in position to offer JO & Beasly for Amare.  Getting Moon to replace Beasley makes that all the more possible.

On the other side, this solves Kerr's potential PR problem of dealing Amare to Miami for a guy he just traded, Marion.  JO plus MB is the best Kerr can do if he is intent on sending Amare east.  

Call me crazy, but pairing Amare and DWade seems like a Pat Riely kind of move.

I'm pretty sure there's a period (60 days?) that prohibits a player from being traded again right after being traded.  Since the trading deadline is Feb. 19th, it wouldn't happen this season.

No, he just can't be traded in a package with other players.

I guess that's what I was getting at.

[housecall]

Only problem i see w/this deal is JO maybe not staying healthy long enough to make an impact.If he can stay healthy throughout the playoffs,they will be a handful.

I think that any solid production that Miami gets out of O'Neal is simply an added bonus.  I really think this is about his contract, first and foremost.

Oh, they'll need to get some production out of him. If the rationale behind this trade was just to clear Banks $4 million in 2010/2011 from the books, then giving up Marion expiring and eating JO's salary next season was an incredible expensive price to pay.

I guess its a matter of what the team's short term expectations are for this current incarnation against the long-term expectations (i.e. 2010 & beyond).  If they honestly feel that O'Neal can bring them to the next level in a loaded East, then they'll certainly care about the production. If Riley has his eyes on 2010 and constructing (Wade + Superstar X) or (Superstar X & Superstar Y), I really don't think that he cares if he eats that extra year with O'Neal's contract.  I'm willing to bet that quite a few Miami Heat fans feel the same way.  Short-term, they're paying the extra price for what might benefit them long-term.

Well, but they could easily have packed Marion and Banks for a less expensive player, maybe even someone expiring this season.

I think it's a mix: O'Neal expires before 2010, and that was the main motivation to trade for him and he fits a need they have, allowing them to remain competitive.

I agree cordobes,they think with JO for the rest of the season they might can go deeper into the playoffs,possibly upset some teams.Even if they don't win now,they will be better next season.

[Brickowski]

Riley is kidding himself.  JO sucks.  Miami just got worse, Toronto got better.
And let's not wax poetic aboout Jamareo Moon.  Stephen Graham will take all of his minutes and the Raptors will be better for it.

Now my question is, with Marion arriving, will that make Anthony Parker expendible and, if so, what would it take for the Celtics to get him?  Rumor is, he's not coming back to Toronto either, and has been talking about returning to Europe.

And with Banks arriving, does that mean Roko Leni-Ukic can be obtained? He's a very nice young pg who would be an excellent backup for Rondo.

[Cman]

Anyone else think there is another shoe to drop?

Amare is reported to refuse to go to Toronto, which makes me think Kerr was close to agreeing on a JO trade.  That falls through, and now Pat Riely puts himself in position to offer JO & Beasly for Amare.  Getting Moon to replace Beasley makes that all the more possible.

On the other side, this solves Kerr's potential PR problem of dealing Amare to Miami for a guy he just traded, Marion.  JO plus MB is the best Kerr can do if he is intent on sending Amare east.  

Call me crazy, but pairing Amare and DWade seems like a Pat Riely kind of move.

Wow -- interesting idea.  Beasley would be a steal, though.

[Casperian]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-heattrade09,0,6030464.story

In addition, the Heat also will receive a future first-round pick from the Raptors.

According to a party with the details of the deal, the Heat will receive a first-round pick from Toronto in 2010, unless that pick is among the first 14 (lottery) selections.

Should Toronto be in the draft lottery in 2010, in essence not make next season's playoffs, the Heat then would receive a 2010 second-round pick from the Raptors.

The first-round pick then would be sent to the Heat in any year, from 2011 through 2014 that it is not among the first 14 selections (the next year Toronto makes the playoffs).

Should the Heat not get the first-round pick by 2014, it then would receive a 2015 first-round pick from the Raptors.

In addition, the Heat gained a $4 million trade exception in the transaction, which it can use to balance salaries in a deal for the next 12 months. To complete the transaction, the Heat will send cash to Toronto, with $3 million the maximum allowed by the league in such transactions.

If that´s true, then Miami wins this deal, imo.

[Hoops]

I think Miami has done just fine pairing Beasley with Wade.  I think Amare is damaged goods and in the long run Beasley will be better.

C'mon, really? You really think Beasley's career is going to be better than Amare's?

I suppose it's possible, but I think it's unlikely. Everyone's down on Amare simply because of his bad attitude right now. I understand that. (Beasley could prove everyone wrong, but all the risk factors are there for that kid to be at least as much of a problem as Amare.) But Amare is a 1st team All-NBA talent. I just don't see Beasley ever being a 1st team All-NBA player. Call me crazy.

[Edgar]

Riley is kidding himself.  JO sucks.  Miami just got worse, Toronto got better.
And let's not wax poetic aboout Jamareo Moon.  Stephen Graham will take all of his minutes and the Raptors will be better for it.

Now my question is, with Marion arriving, will that make Anthony Parker expendible and, if so, what would it take for the Celtics to get him?  Rumor is, he's not coming back to Toronto either, and has been talking about returning to Europe.

And with Banks arriving, does that mean Roko Leni-Ukic can be obtained? He's a very nice young pg who would be an excellent backup for Rondo.

I would LOVE to have Anthony parker in this team
I can probably live with Ukic too even if i think hes still on pruitts league

[slam]

I think it works for Toronto, because O’Neal wasn’t working, particularly along side both Bosh and Bargnani.  There’s no one in that line up to guard the quick small forwards.  It also adds another scorer at the 3 spot which I think they lacked.  Admittedly Marion isn’t vastly different from Moon; they’re similar players, but Marion does do everything better than Moon.

As for Miami, I think they probably deserve the slightly higher grade for this deal.  O’Neal, Haslem, Beasley, Wade, and Chalmers is a very scary line up on both ends of the floor.  The biggest winner of all may be Michael Beasley who can now show everyone why he thinks he should have been the # 1 pick with more minutes.  And just incase that doesn’t work out, they have Moon who is a solid player.  Even if it does work out, Moon is a great backup!

I think Wade will create a lot of shots for O’Neal with his penetration like no one in Toronto could.  I predict a resurgence in his numbers, though it’s not like he hasn’t had some monster games of late to show he’s still got it.  He just needs someone like Wade to make it easier for him so he can do it every night.


They shed Bank’s contract, and spot on the bench which is a plus too.

I’m really excited to see how this impacts both teams after the break.

A minus for Miami

B for Toronto