Doc Is Not a Good Coach / Why Big Baby in OT (merged)

[rutzan]

we were buiding the lead with powe and house contributing...

we lost the lead with them out...

it is no coincidence...

i know...i know...

garnett fouled out...pierce misses clutch free throws...

does anyone remember eddie helping us out winning games with red-hot 3 point shooting...

we keep him and powe out there while they are hot and then you force the lakers to match up with us...

not the other way...

we let phil jackson dictate matchups because doc did not want to go with our hot hands

[Toine43]

Pierce hits a shot the C's win their 13th straight.

Doc sucks enough to win a lot of games and a championship.

Lighten up.

I agree, and like I've said old news Doc is a bad x's and o's coach, but the NBA is and always will be a players league, outside Popovich and Sloan.    

Give me some evidence Doc is a bad Xs and Os coach. His substitution decisions are another story, but don't confuse the two.

I know the difference between substitutions and drawing up plays.  First off, in the end of regulation, why have Pierce go 1v1 on Kobe? How bout a screen from BBD or Perk to get some room for him to get a shot off? Instead he gets it poked away from Kobe.  The 2nd one just in this game was the play call to get Davis a 15 foot shot on the elbow.  That takes a lot of balls to draw that up, and while he hit it, that's a dumb play call for a player that was 0-5 or 0-6 at the time.  I was only able to catch the final 2 minutes of regulation and OT, but I bet there was more this game.  Like I said this is old news on Doc though, he's a great communicator and motivator, but not a good game coach. Once again though, old news, I'm done talking about Doc.  

Doc is known as one of the best at drawing plays coming off timeouts. And I don't have a problem with giving it to Pierce and telling everyone to get out of the way. There were a bunch of other times late in the game when they did set him picks, but I'm not going to get too upset about a decision either way about that.

[KJ33]

Odom was playing a 1 man zone.  That is why PP's shot wasn't there, and that is why Baby had to be the choice to try and deal with that.  Yes, it did not work terribly well, but Leon does not have a jumpshot, so that would have even been worse.  In fact, PP tried to go through Odom a couple times with BBD standing wide open, before he began to realize he was open and started giving it to him.  

Scal would have been the ideal choice there if available as Odom would have gotten burned just leaving him alone.  No way Powe or House should have been out there at the end, regardless of what they did in the game, the matchups just did not dictate that.

[rutzan]

we were hot with house and powe...

if you want to talk about matchups...

doc should have forced them to match up with us by staying with the hot hands...

intead we caved in and let dr. phil dictate matchups to us...

a good coach dictates matchups whenever possible instead of reacting to the other coaches matchups...

[Toine43]

we were buiding the lead with powe and house contributing...

we lost the lead with them out...

it is no coincidence...

i know...i know...

garnett fouled out...pierce misses clutch free throws...

does anyone remember eddie helping us out winning games with red-hot 3 point shooting...

we keep him and powe out there while they are hot and then you force the lakers to match up with us...

not the other way...

we let phil jackson dictate matchups because doc did not want to go with our hot hands

In a vacuum I like your attitude about not letting the opponent dictate matchups. I just think in this game, we had no choice but to play the guys we did at the end of the game. You NEED Pierce on Bryant, and you can't take Rondo out. And I wouldn't call Powe a "hot hand". He played well, but again he would have hurt us on offense rather than helped.

[rutzan]

powe was 5 fo 7...

davis was 1 for 8...

who really hurt us on offense...

[RockinRyA]

we cant risk having powe without kg in there.. i think doc wanted house in but couldnt find a solution to keep him in when we are already getting burned inside the paint. there were mismatches all over the floor and i dont want ray allen ending up guarding odom

[Toine43]

powe was 5 fo 7...

davis was 1 for 8...

who really hurt us on offense...

Powe isn't a jump shooter, so he cannot space the floor. It's that simple. Nothing Doc could do about it.

[guava_wrench]

we were hot with house and powe...

if you want to talk about matchups...

doc should have forced them to match up with us by staying with the hot hands...

intead we caved in and let dr. phil dictate matchups to us...

a good coach dictates matchups whenever possible instead of reacting to the other coaches matchups...

These post hoc criticisms simply show fallacies we are prone too.

Why not make the same criticism when Doc takes out hot bench players and we continue to blow out other teams? Do you want a coach, or a fortune teller.

This is the same kind of (il)logic that leads other to call for major minutes for JR Giddens or POB when everyone is off for a game.

The best decision doesn't always pan out. The way people talk about coaching, I can't figure out why Popovich or Sloan ever lose.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

He was in a tough spot  once KG fouled out
BBD plays better defense than Powe, if you dont realize that, maybe you dont watch the games...Perks my guy, but hes even worse offensively than baby...babys shot wasnt falling tonight, but it has been the entire 12 game win streak, and powe has been a scrub up until tonight...Perk was playing probably the best basketball of his career until he hurt that shoulder twice, and since hes been a scrub, but we needed his defense on gasol, which still wasnt good enough. Gasol is good. Gasol is a better offensive player than KG (which drives me nuts)

I certainly dont think Doc lost this game, PP hits a couple clutch free throws and we win, the refs call the foul on ray at the end, we win. Leon Powe being in instead of BBD would have made no difference, as matter of fact it wouldve been worse, he cant hit a jumpshot and wont even take one

We need PJ brown and if we dont get a backup big, we're screwed..a ballhandler who can shoot would be nice as well

[ACF]

we were hot with house and powe...

if you want to talk about matchups...

doc should have forced them to match up with us by staying with the hot hands...

intead we caved in and let dr. phil dictate matchups to us...

a good coach dictates matchups whenever possible instead of reacting to the other coaches matchups...

These post hoc criticisms simply show fallacies we are prone too.

Why not make the same criticism when Doc takes out hot bench players and we continue to blow out other teams? Do you want a coach, or a fortune teller.

This is the same kind of (il)logic that leads other to call for major minutes for JR Giddens or POB when everyone is off for a game.

The best decision doesn't always pan out. The way people talk about coaching, I can't figure out why Popovich or Sloan ever lose.

That's a Tommy Point.

[vinnie]

Pierce hits a shot the C's win their 13th straight.

Doc sucks enough to win a lot of games and a championship.

Lighten up.

I agree, and like I've said old news Doc is a bad x's and o's coach, but the NBA is and always will be a players league, outside Popovich and Sloan.    

Did you know that Doc ranks number 1 in the NBA in terms of teams scoring on plays after timeouts? Probably not. Granted, they did not execute tonight, but this thread is one of the most ridiculous overreactions I have seen in a while. If KG does not get jobbed on that 6th foul and stays in the game, the Celtics win in regulation.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

More than just that last foul on KG was questionable...they did not let him play at all in this game and most if not all were ticky tack....it was somewhat stunning...KG fouls out with 4 minutes to go in regulation and Gasol has 1 foul?This is something that you expect on the road, but at home its somewhat unnacceptable for the lakers to get the 50/50 calls

[vinnie]

More than just that last foul on KG was questionable...they did not let him play at all in this game and most if not all were ticky tack....it was somewhat stunning...KG fouls out with 4 minutes to go in regulation and Gasol has 1 foul?This is something that you expect on the road, but at home its somewhat unnacceptable for the lakers to get the 50/50 calls

I agree. 2 or 3 of KG's fouls were questionable at best. But, the most frustrating call of the night was when we all thought Odom picked up his 5th and then it somehow got taken away.

[Steve Weinman]

i don't care about matchups and philosophy...

you always go with the hot hand...

every coach knows that...

if you disagree

you didn't watch the game

Match-ups, situations, understanding that there is a bigger picture to consider on February 5...meaningless.  Anyone who doesn't see it your way...uninformed.

To use a recent (and rather enjoyable) Roy-ism, "got it."

-sw