Doc Is Not a Good Coach / Why Big Baby in OT (merged)

[Roy Hobbs]

So, I don't watch the Celtics much but is Davis usually positioned that far from the hoop and that free of a shooter?  I equate those 2 shots he took in overtime to watching Varejao shoot a jumper.  He makes a fair share but I never want him shooting in the clutch.  You need him on the floor for his defense, but he must understand when he should be launching shots and when he shouldn't.  In Overtime, with a guy closing on you seems like a time when Davis shouldn't be shooting the ball.

I agree completely; even if he's the open guy, I don't feel comfortable with BBD taking shots in crunch time.  He's improved his shot recently, but overall, he's still a spotty shooter.  Of course, in most situations, BBD isn't asked to take that shot because KG is in there.  Last night, the refs decided they didn't want him to finish the game.

I thought more plays should have been run for Ray late in the game, especially going to the hoop. 

[moiso]

The shots Davis took were ok, but to me he should be more of a last resort.  He shouldn't end up with the ball with the clock winding down.  Paul can create his own shot whenever he wants.  I wish he did it more last night.  And I'm upset with the last play of regulation.  We had plenty of time to get a good shot and they just farted around until the time ran out.  This was a game that Paul could have won simply by taking it to the hoop a little more in the 4th and ot.

[WedmanIsMyHero]

I was traveling last night and missed the game itself.  I have only read recaps and the box score.  Given how well Powe was playing, why was Big Baby in the game in OT?  Doesn't seem like, from the SportsCenter highlights, news articles, etc., that Big Baby really played all that well -- he was 1 for 8 from the field.

Anyone know?

[MMacOH]

So, I don't watch the Celtics much but is Davis usually positioned that far from the hoop and that free of a shooter?  I equate those 2 shots he took in overtime to watching Varejao shoot a jumper.  He makes a fair share but I never want him shooting in the clutch.  You need him on the floor for his defense, but he must understand when he should be launching shots and when he shouldn't.  In Overtime, with a guy closing on you seems like a time when Davis shouldn't be shooting the ball.

I agree completely; even if he's the open guy, I don't feel comfortable with BBD taking shots in crunch time.  He's improved his shot recently, but overall, he's still a spotty shooter.  Of course, in most situations, BBD isn't asked to take that shot because KG is in there.  Last night, the refs decided they didn't want him to finish the game.

I thought more plays should have been run for Ray late in the game, especially going to the hoop. 

I agree as well.  You can't run the offense designed for Garnett when he is not in the game.  You end up getting Davis taking shots.  Doc should have changed it up and ran something else. 

[MMacOH]

Check out the post on Doc being a terrible coach.  This is discussed in depth there

[WedmanIsMyHero]

I was traveling last night and missed the game itself.  I have only read recaps and the box score.  Why was Big Baby taking those shots?  Was the offense being run for those shots or was Pierce not effective at creating his own shots or what?

[jimmehx]

Just watched the game. Wow I can't believe Davis was there. His mid range jumper might be getting better but he is NOT confident enough to be relied upon. I don't understand why House wasn't there. Not only was he sinking his 3s but he showed he could hit the mid range jumper as well - everything was working.
Really disappointing game. A loss to the Lakers is always hard but a loss that puts us below the Lakers AND the Cavs in season record is just devastating.
I think the last few possessions of OT were great examples where having someone like PJ really would have paid off.
I'm really disappointed.

[moiso]

I was traveling last night and missed the game itself.  I have only read recaps and the box score.  Why was Big Baby taking those shots?  Was the offense being run for those shots or was Pierce not effective at creating his own shots or what?

Well the open man(Davis) ended up with the ball, but we know that Pierce can force the action and score/get to the line if he wants to.  He didn't force the action.

[nickagneta]

Wow, how surprising, the Celtics lose and a Doc is a bad coach thread appears. Who would have thought?

Get real people. The offense did not execute down the stretch, the team played awful defense in the first half and the refs called and didn't call some pretty wierd stuff. That's why we lost.

[Bankshot]

I was traveling last night and missed the game itself.  I have only read recaps and the box score.  Why was Big Baby taking those shots?  Was the offense being run for those shots or was Pierce not effective at creating his own shots or what?

Well the open man(Davis) ended up with the ball, but we know that Pierce can force the action and score/get to the line if he wants to.  He didn't force the action.

I agree.  I was screaming at the tv for Pierce to drive to the hoop, but he rarely did.   Maybe he's a bit under the weather too.

[wdleehi]

I had three issues with last nights coaching

1) Like Roy said, the 4 bench players out there at once is bad.

2) With the time outs and the stoppage of play, I think the Celtics could have done more offensive/defensive subbing during the last minuted of the 4th and OT.  They could have brought in House more on offense.

3) This was the big one to me.  In the last shot against Philly, the play the won the game had a lot of player movement.  It created an open shot.  Tonight, it almost seemed like the Celtics wanted to play the Iso game.  One cut and then everyone stood around waiting.  



Now Doc didn't lose the game.  The way the official called the Celtics defense, forcing them to both loosen it and loss KG is why the Celtics lost.


But I do not fear the Lakers.  As I remember, the NBA playoffs is where the more physical play is allowed.  Just like last year.

[Redz]

Wow, how surprising, the Celtics lose and a Doc is a bad coach thread appears. Who would have thought?

Get real people. The offense did not execute down the stretch, the team played awful defense in the first half and the refs called and didn't call some pretty wierd stuff. That's why we lost.

Or, on an even simpler level...Odom made his freebies, Pierce did not.

[winsomme]

Yup. There's no question whatsoever that the Lakers have the superior bench - and that after Garnett was removed - not going to use the term fouled out - from the game we didn't have enough offense on the floor. The overtime was actually closer than I expected.

We're not deep, period - and it's going to haunt us in the playoffs if it doesn't change.

we definitely need one more piece....personally I would love a guy in the 6'8" range with some athleticism that can hit the three-ball.

that would have been the perfect option last night because LA (after KG fouled out) was packing the lane to prevent moves to the basket by PP, Ray and Rondo. We needed another shooter that could have spread the floor a little more, but still been able to rebound on the defensive end...

i put this game in the "i wish we still had Posey" category.

hate to be a broken record here, but that still seems to be the one hole we have.

aside from that, i thought BBD really stepped it up when he came in for KG. couple of big boards and a solid shot.....we were right there in position to win the game.

tough loss.

[Tr1boy]

see?? need i say more??

can beat teams like bobcats, 76rs(barely) but still can't beat lakers with no bynum. Thank you doc you moron

[rutzan]

for all of you that like to hand each other tommy points...

wow...do you feel better...

it was obvious the game was mismanaged...

for all of you who keep saying that davis plays better D...he's a better shooter...

are you for real...

fact #1: powe is shooting 50% & 4.1 rebounds in 15.3 minutes

fact #2: davis is shooting 40.6% & 3.5 rebounds in 18 minutes

i know we have number of hall of fame coaches here but the numbers don't lie...

let's see you spin that..

what is obvious is that powe and davis are both inconsistent...

it is only only logical and common sense to go with the one who is playing better...

you don't need to be a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to figure that out...

what that underscores is that we need a big man...no doubt...

you see what you get with powe and davis...

there is not much more upside...

i like both of them personally...

and i like them as a 2-headed monster off the bench...