Tape of Bynum Flagrant?

[liam]

I'm not talking about the injury at all.  Obviously a collapsed lung and broken rib is nothing to laugh about and is pretty serious stuff.  I'm simply commenting on the foul.  

Exactly.  If Rambis had suffered a broken back, it makes McHale's clothesline no more or less clean, and the same is true of Bynum's foul / Wallace's injury.

In terms of fouls resulting in worse injuries, Horford's foul on T.J. Ford qualifies, I think.  I can't remember what Horford got for a suspension, but this one was no worse than that.

Horford was going for a block. Bynum just threw an elbow. If McHale had broken Rambis' back it would have been a lot worse of a foul. But Rambis was unharmed.

Worse in terms of results, maybe, but not worse in terms of the dirtiness of the play.  Either a play is or is not dirty, regardless of resulting injuries.

If you throw an elbow hard enough to do damage it's dirty.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm not talking about the injury at all.  Obviously a collapsed lung and broken rib is nothing to laugh about and is pretty serious stuff.  I'm simply commenting on the foul.  

Exactly.  If Rambis had suffered a broken back, it makes McHale's clothesline no more or less clean, and the same is true of Bynum's foul / Wallace's injury.

In terms of fouls resulting in worse injuries, Horford's foul on T.J. Ford qualifies, I think.  I can't remember what Horford got for a suspension, but this one was no worse than that.

Horford was going for a block. Bynum just threw an elbow. If McHale had broken Rambis' back it would have been a lot worse of a foul. But Rambis was unharmed.

Worse in terms of results, maybe, but not worse in terms of the dirtiness of the play.  Either a play is or is not dirty, regardless of resulting injuries.

If you throw an elbow hard enough to do damage it's dirty.

That's nonsense; there are all kinds of elbows that are inadvertent that can result in fouls or injuries, without any dirty intent at all.

[liam]

I'm not talking about the injury at all.  Obviously a collapsed lung and broken rib is nothing to laugh about and is pretty serious stuff.  I'm simply commenting on the foul.  

Exactly.  If Rambis had suffered a broken back, it makes McHale's clothesline no more or less clean, and the same is true of Bynum's foul / Wallace's injury.

In terms of fouls resulting in worse injuries, Horford's foul on T.J. Ford qualifies, I think.  I can't remember what Horford got for a suspension, but this one was no worse than that.

Horford was going for a block. Bynum just threw an elbow. If McHale had broken Rambis' back it would have been a lot worse of a foul. But Rambis was unharmed.

Worse in terms of results, maybe, but not worse in terms of the dirtiness of the play.  Either a play is or is not dirty, regardless of resulting injuries.

If you throw an elbow hard enough to do damage it's dirty.

That's nonsense; there are all kinds of elbows that are inadvertent that can result in fouls or injuries, without any dirty intent at all.

True, but this was thrown at a flying player for no other reason than to do damage, which it did. Was this retaliation for the foul on Ariza?

[bdm860]

I'm not talking about the injury at all.  Obviously a collapsed lung and broken rib is nothing to laugh about and is pretty serious stuff.  I'm simply commenting on the foul.  

Exactly.  If Rambis had suffered a broken back, it makes McHale's clothesline no more or less clean, and the same is true of Bynum's foul / Wallace's injury.

In terms of fouls resulting in worse injuries, Horford's foul on T.J. Ford qualifies, I think.  I can't remember what Horford got for a suspension, but this one was no worse than that.

Horford was going for a block. Bynum just threw an elbow. If McHale had broken Rambis' back it would have been a lot worse of a foul. But Rambis was unharmed.

Worse in terms of results, maybe, but not worse in terms of the dirtiness of the play.  Either a play is or is not dirty, regardless of resulting injuries.

If you throw an elbow hard enough to do damage it's dirty.

That's nonsense; there are all kinds of elbows that are inadvertent that can result in fouls or injuries, without any dirty intent at all.

True, but this was thrown at a flying player for no other reason than to do damage, which it did. Was this retaliation for the foul on Ariza?

Umm, how about to stop a player from getting an easy lay-up/dunk in a close game?  I don't know why Bynum would want to stop Wallace from scoring.

[wil]

Wallace got hurt when he hit the floor, not when Bynum hit him.  I've watched that replay 5 times now.  It wasn't even an elbow.
 

I hope this is sarcasm.  Wallace clearly starts to grab his rib even before he hits the ground.  There's no doubt Bynum cracked that rib and collapsed that lung. 

[Tradetime]

This is the equivalent of Chris Kaman having his balls grabbed a couple of years ago while posting up. No need for it. No play made on the ball. $10G and a game suspension are in order.

[cordobes]

Bynum had no chance of making a play at the ball or drawing a charge. Saying it was malicious or not malicious is immaterial and irrelevant; he didn't show any intention of playing the ball, he just throw his body into an opponent in midair. Refs can't read minds to know if it was just a clumsy play or if he had malicious thoughts. I think it was a young guy still learning the job who tried to do something happen, but that's completely irrelevant to the case.

This foul is much more dangerous than a clothesline on the floor, because the physical integrity is at a much bigger risk. Horford got ejected when he fouled Ford and he was attempting a block; Shaq got ejected after a hard foul on Stuckey and he was attempting to make a play at the ball;  Speights got ejected after a similar foul over Scalabrine; Bynum committed an even more dangerous foul, so he should have been ejected as well.

If this kind of foul was merely punished as a shooting foul, it'd take 2 weeks until everybody was just taking 20ft jump-shots. Nobody would want to drive into the paint, knowing the opponents could shove them while in the air, without giving them the a chance to protect their body. That has never passed without severe punishment (namely an ejection or a flagrant) in any basketball league in any decade.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Wallace got hurt when he hit the floor, not when Bynum hit him.  I've watched that replay 5 times now.  It wasn't even an elbow.

It was a badly executed flop, that's all.  Tony Allen was injured more seriously than that trying to dunk after the whistle, untouched.  Stuff happens.

I like Gerald Wallace's game and hope he makes a speedy recovery. But let's not villify Bynum for a fairly routine foul.  It was a clumsy play, not a dirty play.

hahahah, get some glasses, you couldnt be any further off
It wasnt a flop whatsoever, and you can tell clear as day he was hurt on contact

[Fafnir]

Bynum had no chance of making a play at the ball or drawing a charge. Saying it was malicious or not malicious is immaterial and irrelevant; he didn't show any intention of playing the ball, he just throw his body into an opponent in midair. Refs can't read minds to know if it was just a clumsy play or if he had malicious thoughts. I think it was a young guy still learning the job who tried to do something happen, but that's completely irrelevant to the case.

This foul is much more dangerous than a clothesline on the floor, because the physical integrity is at a much bigger risk. Horford got ejected when he fouled Ford and he was attempting a block; Shaq got ejected after a hard foul on Stuckey and he was attempting to make a play at the ball;  Speights got ejected after a similar foul over Scalabrine; Bynum committed an even more dangerous foul, so he should have been ejected as well.

If this kind of foul was merely punished as a shooting foul, it'd take 2 weeks until everybody was just taking 20ft jump-shots. Nobody would want to drive into the paint, knowing the opponents could shove them while in the air, without giving them the a chance to protect their body. That has never passed without severe punishment (namely an ejection or a flagrant) in any basketball league in any decade.

Absolutely agree a dangerous and unnecessary play. Didn't make any attempt at the ball just destroyed him.

[Fafnir]

Wallace got hurt when he hit the floor, not when Bynum hit him.  I've watched that replay 5 times now.  It wasn't even an elbow.

It was a badly executed flop, that's all.  Tony Allen was injured more seriously than that trying to dunk after the whistle, untouched.  Stuff happens.

I like Gerald Wallace's game and hope he makes a speedy recovery. But let's not villify Bynum for a fairly routine foul.  It was a clumsy play, not a dirty play.

hahahah, get some glasses, you couldnt be any further off
It wasnt a flop whatsoever, and you can tell clear as day he was hurt on contact

Brick is a contrary sort in almost any situation. 

[albert]

That was definitely a Bruce Bowen-type foul, has cheap shot written all over it. Kind of like sticking your knees out when someone's running around your pick.. not clean and potentially dangerous. Had Bynum been a little more athletic and smart he could have tried contesting the shot in midair from where he was at. Instead he throws up his elbow into the Wallace's ribcage. Unbelievable.

[Rondo_is_better]

If Gerald Wallace thinks it was a dirty play, he has my permission to clothesline Kobe the next time the Bobcats play the Lakers.

But if he does that he'd be suspended.

Not if I were the commissioner.

If you were commissioner, everyone would die.

What kind of organized league has an eye for an eye policy? I think that died out with the Aztecs.

 

[Rondo_is_better]

Bynum's foul inflicted a serious, non-traditional basketball injury and, regardless of intent, he should be punished for committing a foul that seriously injured another player. He was either malicious or careless. Either way,a suspension lets him know that he needs to either shape up or be more careful with his body.

[kenmaine]

Anyone who has no problem with this foul should just stick to hockey or football, where it's just fine to intentionally injure an opposing player.
The man was driving to the basket, Bynum stuck his leg in front of him, hip checked him, and pushed/elbowed him in the chest, with absolutely no attempt,or chance, to get to the ball.
If that's not a cheap shot, what is?
Why does everyone have to bring up some other play from the past or even this week and compare the two? Just judge it for what it was- a dirty play with a potential to injure, which it did. 
But Phil Jackson must be proud to see one of his players taking after him.

[Brickowski]

Today's NBA gives you an inkling of what would happen if the NFL decided that all the blocking and tackling was far too violent and the league switched over to flag football.

Bynum didn't hit Wallace that hard.  The injury was just one of those things, like Tony Allen's knee.  False outrage won't change that fact.