ESPN: Marbury, Celtics interested in deal

[jdpapa3]

Enough of the Birdman talk please. Who knows what kind of drugs he could influence Tony Allen to take.

And I heard Barnes didn't want to leave the West Coast.

[Scalablob990]

Enough of the Birdman talk please. Who knows what kind of drugs he could influence Tony Allen to take.

And I heard Barnes didn't want to leave the West Coast.

hahaha lol TP for you my friend. Instead of TO Tony he would become Acid Allen with the Birdman.

[CoachBo]

A GM's primary job is to maximize the owners' profit.

I think that's a gross over-simplification.  I don't think Danny's job last season was to maximize profits; if so, he never would have taken fliers on some of the low risk players that he did (Jones, Batista, Miles, etc.)  On the Celtics, money is a concern, but I'm not sure that it's the primary consideration.  On other teams, money is less of a consideration, if at all (Brian Cashman of the Yankees, for instance, doesn't have to worry at all about maximizing profits.)

As for Danny, he miscalculated in choosing POB over Chris Andersen, he miscalculated in not getting a true backup small forward on the team, he miscalculated in relying upon in-season additions rather than shoring up the team in the off-season, he miscalculated in thinking that BBD and Tony would show more consistency this season than they did last, etc., etc.

(Also, Starbury for Springfield?  Generally, guys who make two all-star games in their career aren't given strong consideration for the Hall of Fame.)

while i am extremely frustrated with the bench play right now....and obviously (from posting over and over again) unhappy about not re-signing Pose, i do think it is  premature to conclude that relying on in-season acquisitions and not signing Chris Anderson in the off season were miscalculations...

let's see what happens. i mean i would be much happier with Joe Smith, for instance, than Chris Anderson

Siding with Roy on this one.

The real laughter from this discussion is the suggestion that Danny sat down this summer and said, "Lets go ahead and put together a bench of Leon Powe and a bunch of end of the pine guys. It's a mess, but I'll fix it later." That's funny.

Now, my take is they lowballed Posey on purpose, banking on his enjoyment of Boston, and were caught by surprise when he moved on to a better offer. And when he did, there wasn't a bunch left to choose from.

Posey aside, you simply cannot defend building a roster with no competent backup 5. Perkins goes down and we're in HUGE trouble. If Danny was dumb enough to think that a Mo Valley player who NEVER played hard in college and got bounced from his first NBA stop for the same thing would pan out, then he's clearly not as smart as a bunch of you want to make him out to be.

He deserved the GM of the year award last year; conversely, he's not on any sort of a track to get it this year with the mess of a bench he built.

[BrickJames]

I thought you were coach Bo... not GM Bo 

[winsomme]

A GM's primary job is to maximize the owners' profit.

I think that's a gross over-simplification.  I don't think Danny's job last season was to maximize profits; if so, he never would have taken fliers on some of the low risk players that he did (Jones, Batista, Miles, etc.)  On the Celtics, money is a concern, but I'm not sure that it's the primary consideration.  On other teams, money is less of a consideration, if at all (Brian Cashman of the Yankees, for instance, doesn't have to worry at all about maximizing profits.)

As for Danny, he miscalculated in choosing POB over Chris Andersen, he miscalculated in not getting a true backup small forward on the team, he miscalculated in relying upon in-season additions rather than shoring up the team in the off-season, he miscalculated in thinking that BBD and Tony would show more consistency this season than they did last, etc., etc.

(Also, Starbury for Springfield?  Generally, guys who make two all-star games in their career aren't given strong consideration for the Hall of Fame.)

while i am extremely frustrated with the bench play right now....and obviously (from posting over and over again) unhappy about not re-signing Pose, i do think it is  premature to conclude that relying on in-season acquisitions and not signing Chris Anderson in the off season were miscalculations...

let's see what happens. i mean i would be much happier with Joe Smith, for instance, than Chris Anderson

Siding with Roy on this one.

The real laughter from this discussion is the suggestion that Danny sat down this summer and said, "Lets go ahead and put together a bench of Leon Powe and a bunch of end of the pine guys. It's a mess, but I'll fix it later." That's funny.

Now, my take is they lowballed Posey on purpose, banking on his enjoyment of Boston, and were caught by surprise when he moved on to a better offer. And when he did, there wasn't a bunch left to choose from.

Posey aside, you simply cannot defend building a roster with no competent backup 5. Perkins goes down and we're in HUGE trouble. If Danny was dumb enough to think that a Mo Valley player who NEVER played hard in college and got bounced from his first NBA stop for the same thing would pan out, then he's clearly not as smart as a bunch of you want to make him out to be.

He deserved the GM of the year award last year; conversely, he's not on any sort of a track to get it this year with the mess of a bench he built.

i don't see the disagreement here with what you are saying and what i am saying. I agree that getting guys during the season (although i do think PJ was high on their list for front court help) wasn't their plan.

i think they gambled with Posey and lost and at that point there were no real attractive options left (not many to begin with either)..

but i also think that it is premature to conclude that it was an overall miscalculation because we need to see what happens coming up here...

like i said, i would rather have waited for a guy like Joe Smith than jumped at Chris Anderson in the off season...

[CoachBo]

My disagreement is with the laughable notion that Ainge had a plan to trash the bench in the off-season.

If he did - which he most certainly didn't - then I guess it's mission accomplished, eh?

Birdman was one option - at roughly the same price as the cash Danny wasted on Paddy O'Blount.

Joe Smith would be great. So would Collison, the latter younger and in better physical shape.

[BrickJames]

My disagreement is with the laughable notion that Ainge had a plan to trash the bench in the off-season.

If he did - which he most certainly didn't - then I guess it's mission accomplished, eh?

Birdman was one option - at roughly the same price as the cash Danny wasted on Paddy O'Blount.

Joe Smith would be great. So would Collison, the latter younger and in better physical shape.

It's not "trashing the bench" - it's called working with what you have and working to improve later.

I mean really, we are 28 and fricking 5.

[CoachBo]

That's an excuse for a badly underachieving GM in the summer of 2008, not "working with what you have."

The man built a bench out of Powe and a bunch of end of the bench guys. He screwed up. Badly. And now, the proof of that is manifesting itself on the floor.

You can delude yourself to death with all the close wins over inferior clubs; this bench will not win a title and it isn't enough to win the Eastern Conference.

One title doesn't make Ainge a savant.

[Chris]

My disagreement is with the laughable notion that Ainge had a plan to trash the bench in the off-season.

If he did - which he most certainly didn't - then I guess it's mission accomplished, eh?

Birdman was one option - at roughly the same price as the cash Danny wasted on Paddy O'Blount.

Joe Smith would be great. So would Collison, the latter younger and in better physical shape.

I strongly believe that Birdman would be down at the end of the bench just like POB.  The guy has never been able to learn to play team defense, and that is a requirement on this team...especially of their big men.  

But I agree about Smith and Collison (although I believe Collison is injured...and I don't know what you are talking about Smith being in bad shape???).  And I am sure they are both options that Danny has been looking at.  

In the NBA today, the offseason is not the same as it used to be.  Teams aren't always made in the offseason anymore.  More and more teams are made in February and March, and this team will probably be another example of it.  So lets be patient.

[Chris]

That's an excuse for a badly underachieving GM in the summer of 2008, not "working with what you have."

The man built a bench out of Powe and a bunch of end of the bench guys. He screwed up. Badly. And now, the proof of that is manifesting itself on the floor.

You can delude yourself to death with all the close wins over inferior clubs; this bench will not win a title and it isn't enough to win the Eastern Conference.

One title doesn't make Ainge a savant.

I think it is WAY too early to say he screwed up.  If he is not able to bring in reinforcements before the playoffs, and they don't win it all, then fine, he screwed up.  For the moment, it is still an "incomplete", just like it was at this point last year, when everyone was screaming that we needed a PG and a backup Center who could actually stay on the court.

[Andy Jick]

i think it's a safe assumption that ainge won't be winning any "gm of the year" awards this year...whether he screwed up or not is left to be seen. 

i think the deeper problem is that there's just not a lot of talented basketball players out there - whether they're old guys sitting around waiting on a phone call, or they're playing overseas or in the D-League.  the nba has become a watered-down product and i think what danny's saying is that he won't make a move just for the sake of making one.

[winsomme]

That's an excuse for a badly underachieving GM in the summer of 2008, not "working with what you have."

The man built a bench out of Powe and a bunch of end of the bench guys. He screwed up. Badly. And now, the proof of that is manifesting itself on the floor.

You can delude yourself to death with all the close wins over inferior clubs; this bench will not win a title and it isn't enough to win the Eastern Conference.

One title doesn't make Ainge a savant.

i think you are overstating here...

while it may not have been his plan to build the bench in-season, it clearly is an option that can see better players moving around than were available in the offseason...

he waited for Posey because IMO he was the best of what was available at that position. he just thought he was gonna get him for fewer years and less money....which obviously he wasn't able to do...

if DA had gone out and signed someone BEFORE Pose signed in NO, then everybody would have been complaining that he didn't wait for Pose.

personally, while i am not happy with the bench play, i think hard conclusions are premature...

[soap07]

You can delude yourself to death with all the close wins over inferior clubs; this bench will not win a title and it isn't enough to win the Eastern Conference.

Can I delude myself with wins over Cleveland, Houston, Detroit, Atlanta, Orlando, Portland, New Orleans and Utah? Please don't act like all the Celtics have done is beat up on bottom-feeders.

[BrickJames]

That's an excuse for a badly underachieving GM in the summer of 2008, not "working with what you have."

The man built a bench out of Powe and a bunch of end of the bench guys. He screwed up. Badly. And now, the proof of that is manifesting itself on the floor.

You can delude yourself to death with all the close wins over inferior clubs; this bench will not win a title and it isn't enough to win the Eastern Conference.

One title doesn't make Ainge a savant.

No kidding dude - the only thing delusional here is your refusal to accept the Marbury move as a good one.

[CoachBo]

Go back and read. I am on record saying I'd roll the dice with Marbury.

I have no idea where you came up with the other.