ESPN: Marbury, Celtics interested in deal

[winsomme]

People view him as greedy because he has talked that way through his career. He is the guy who said a championship can't get you a billion dollars. Players sign lesser contracts all the time to play on top teams. Giving up 2 million (3 million - new contract) from an 18 million contract is not a big deal if it helps revive his reputation and marketability, while also allowing him to contribute in nationally televised games, contribute in playoff games, and possibly win a championship.

Since he seems so intent on sticking it to the Knicks, he can best do that by showing he can still perform at a high level with a division rival.

Marbury also really needs an agent or publicist he trusts who can keep him in line and tell him when to shut up.

it does bother me that he's talking so boldly about not only being a STARTING PG, but a starting PG on a PLAYOFF team.

I mean, he's at least behind Duhon and Nate on the Knicks and he wants a playoff team to make him their starting PG. seems pretty presumptuous.

his attitude just rubs me the wrong way. It's one thing to be supremely confident in your own abilities (most of the great ones are) but there's just a different quality to Mar....or maybe it's just that he hasn't been able to play at that level for a while now.

i actually thought when he went to the Knicks he was going to really take over. his first full season there was actually one of his best....

i mean, i just don't know what to say about him. his career has been frustrating from a fan standpoint...

[Finkelskyhook]

If Marbury is really willing to go to us for little money it tells us that he isnt as stupid as he is meant to be. He will get a huge payout (for nothing!) and jumps at the best possible chance of getting a ring when many other players would have looked at the extra million or two.

I don't know.  What team is going to commit more than the minimum to Marbury at this point?

Is Isiah still in the NBA?

[housecall]

If Marbury is really willing to go to us for little money it tells us that he isnt as stupid as he is meant to be. He will get a huge payout (for nothing!) and jumps at the best possible chance of getting a ring when many other players would have looked at the extra million or two.

I don't know.  What team is going to commit more than the minimum to Marbury at this point?

Is Isiah still in the NBA?

Nope,last i heard he is busy screwing up his daughter's life.

[cornbreadsmart]

two wrongs don't make a right though. the knicks are an embarassment the way they treated him(even though he deserves it). they completely misled him going into the regular season. it just seemed bizzare they would waste energy on deliberatley messing with one of their players.

[greg683x]

If Marbury is really willing to go to us for little money it tells us that he isnt as stupid as he is meant to be. He will get a huge payout (for nothing!) and jumps at the best possible chance of getting a ring when many other players would have looked at the extra million or two.

I don't know.  What team is going to commit more than the minimum to Marbury at this point?

Is Isiah still in the NBA?

Nope,last i heard he is busy screwing up his daughter's life.

LOL Nice.  TP.

Thats a nice feel good story, she mustve felt neglected after all these years of him focusing all his attention on destroying an NBA franchise.

[soap07]

The guy is an idiot, he's greedy, he's selfish, he's self absorbed and he thinks he's a lot better at everything he does than he really is. If there was ever a guy that screamed "I'm not a Celtic" it's this guy.

I'm not sure how greedy/selfish/all the other adjectives he's being. He is rightfully owed this money by the Knicks due to a contract. What's wrong with collecting it? He came into camp supposedly in great shape and he kept up his end of the contract.

Why should he take less money and make things easier for the Knicks?


Actually I think Marbury is as stupid as he is made out to be because if he was smart he would have already worked out a favorable deal and been bought out of his contract and already signed with the Celtics while accepting a role as a reserve on the best team in basketball.

What makes you think it's impossible that he can't do both? Collect his money and then go play for the best team in basketball. Just because it's not convenient to Celtic fans doesn't mean he's being an idiot about it.

Reality is that this is probably not going to happen because Marbury is too stubborn and greedy and selfish to accept less than his entire contract. But what he doesn't realize is just how stubborn this Knicks ownership is.

I just don't understand this. Why should he accept less than his entire contract?

You want to know why he is all those things, because he's not living up to his end of his contract. He hasn't given every bit of effort he can and lived up to his end of producing for the team that is paying him. Instead he's disgruntled, he's problematic, he's cancerous, he's a distraction, and he's done everything and anything he can to make it known that he doesn't want to be in New York.

So he's smart with his money is he people. Yeah, he's so smart with it he's almost made it so that he'll never earn any of it ever again playing basketball. His actions have completely sabotaged his future earnings potential in this game and especially in this league. That's stupid and that's not being smart about money.

You say he just trying to collect what is owed him. Yeah, he's trying to do it at the expense of not giving anything for the money he is receiving. How is that not just cheating the Knicks out of the mo0ney they are paying him? Sure they sent him home and agreed to pay him to stay away but that was after he had already made it clear that he was going to be a major sized pain in the ass and disrupt everything and anything he could with the team.

He's selfish because he wants all his money without haviong to do anything for it. In my world you should earn money. He's not earning a dime right now.

He's stupid because he's killed his future earnings potential as a brand sponsor and in playing basketball and because he's a fool when he talks in public.

He's stubborn because he could have taken a fair buyout and already been proving that he wasn't what he was being portrayed as being in NY. Instead he just continues to enhance the bad reputation that he has created.

You guys can look at things anyway you want about how he signed a contract and is due payment and should be able to get all that money and then be let go by NY because they don't want him and then he can play for whomever he wants. I look at it as a guy who is a scumbag who signed a contract and did everything he could to get as much of that contract as possible for the least amount of work. That's unethical and dumb and lazy and selfish in my book.

I only hope NY sticks it to him and forces him to sit out the whole year without playing and then he has to try to beg someone for a chance to prove himself next year and everyone black balls him.

Where to even begin with this.

First of all, Marbury came into camp in great shape. When he was benched, he said all the right things and any distraction that was caused was the result of the media, not the other way around. In what way did Marbury not live up to his end of the contract?

Yeah, he's trying to do it at the expense of not giving anything for the money he is receiving.

Uh, what? Who's decision was it to banish Marbury? You act as if Marbury willingly refused to show up to practice. He was banished by the Knicks. He would have loved to play for the Knicks and did so in the preseason. The reason he's not "giving anything for the money he is receiving" is purely because of Knick management, not because of Marbury.

Sure they sent him home and agreed to pay him to stay away but that was after he had already made it clear that he was going to be a major sized pain in the ass and disrupt everything and anything he could with the team.


This is just flat out false. Marbury did not make any such thing clear. When he got benched, he said all the right things. This is just you feeding into a negative perception.


He's selfish because he wants all his money without haviong to do anything for it. In my world you should earn money. He's not earning a dime right now.

How does a basketball player earn his money? By playing basketball. How does Stephon Marbury earn his money by being under contract with the New York Knicks? By playing basketball for the New York Knicks. He's not being allowed to do that and that's not his fault. He kept up his end of the bargain.


I look at it as a guy who is a scumbag who signed a contract and did everything he could to get as much of that contract as possible for the least amount of work. That's unethical and dumb and lazy and selfish in my book.
 
Not to beat a dead horse...Stephon Marbury was never going to be given a chance to earn the contract this year. That's not on Marbury.

[housecall]

If Marbury is really willing to go to us for little money it tells us that he isnt as stupid as he is meant to be. He will get a huge payout (for nothing!) and jumps at the best possible chance of getting a ring when many other players would have looked at the extra million or two.

I don't know.  What team is going to commit more than the minimum to Marbury at this point?

Is Isiah still in the NBA?

Nope,last i heard he is busy screwing up his daughter's life.

LOL Nice.  TP.

Thats a nice feel good story, she mustve felt neglected after all these years of him focusing all his attention on destroying an NBA franchise.

Thanks,you got it right tp back atcha

[cordobes]

The Knicks handled this issue in a terrible way, highly improper behaviour from a supposedly respectable organization. However, if there's one player in the league that deserved to be treated like this it's Marbury himself. But Walsh and D'Antoni shouldn't get a pass.

I still doubt very much Marbury joins the Cs. If he gets the slighest chance of starting and filling box scores on another team, he's going there. Believing otherwise is just foolish. (and this is not an indictment of Marbury by any means, I personally see nothing wrong about making money).

[housecall]

I don't think Walsh and D'Antoni  like the idea of Marbury possibly winning a championship,so i bet this drags out until Marbury gives up some money and not just a million or two.

[greg683x]

The guy is an idiot, he's greedy, he's selfish, he's self absorbed and he thinks he's a lot better at everything he does than he really is. If there was ever a guy that screamed "I'm not a Celtic" it's this guy.

I'm not sure how greedy/selfish/all the other adjectives he's being. He is rightfully owed this money by the Knicks due to a contract. What's wrong with collecting it? He came into camp supposedly in great shape and he kept up his end of the contract.

Why should he take less money and make things easier for the Knicks?


Actually I think Marbury is as stupid as he is made out to be because if he was smart he would have already worked out a favorable deal and been bought out of his contract and already signed with the Celtics while accepting a role as a reserve on the best team in basketball.

What makes you think it's impossible that he can't do both? Collect his money and then go play for the best team in basketball. Just because it's not convenient to Celtic fans doesn't mean he's being an idiot about it.

Reality is that this is probably not going to happen because Marbury is too stubborn and greedy and selfish to accept less than his entire contract. But what he doesn't realize is just how stubborn this Knicks ownership is.

I just don't understand this. Why should he accept less than his entire contract?

You want to know why he is all those things, because he's not living up to his end of his contract. He hasn't given every bit of effort he can and lived up to his end of producing for the team that is paying him. Instead he's disgruntled, he's problematic, he's cancerous, he's a distraction, and he's done everything and anything he can to make it known that he doesn't want to be in New York.

So he's smart with his money is he people. Yeah, he's so smart with it he's almost made it so that he'll never earn any of it ever again playing basketball. His actions have completely sabotaged his future earnings potential in this game and especially in this league. That's stupid and that's not being smart about money.

You say he just trying to collect what is owed him. Yeah, he's trying to do it at the expense of not giving anything for the money he is receiving. How is that not just cheating the Knicks out of the mo0ney they are paying him? Sure they sent him home and agreed to pay him to stay away but that was after he had already made it clear that he was going to be a major sized pain in the ass and disrupt everything and anything he could with the team.

He's selfish because he wants all his money without haviong to do anything for it. In my world you should earn money. He's not earning a dime right now.

He's stupid because he's killed his future earnings potential as a brand sponsor and in playing basketball and because he's a fool when he talks in public.

He's stubborn because he could have taken a fair buyout and already been proving that he wasn't what he was being portrayed as being in NY. Instead he just continues to enhance the bad reputation that he has created.

You guys can look at things anyway you want about how he signed a contract and is due payment and should be able to get all that money and then be let go by NY because they don't want him and then he can play for whomever he wants. I look at it as a guy who is a scumbag who signed a contract and did everything he could to get as much of that contract as possible for the least amount of work. That's unethical and dumb and lazy and selfish in my book.

I only hope NY sticks it to him and forces him to sit out the whole year without playing and then he has to try to beg someone for a chance to prove himself next year and everyone black balls him.

Where to even begin with this.

First of all, Marbury came into camp in great shape. When he was benched, he said all the right things and any distraction that was caused was the result of the media, not the other way around. In what way did Marbury not live up to his end of the contract?

Yeah, he's trying to do it at the expense of not giving anything for the money he is receiving.

Uh, what? Who's decision was it to banish Marbury? You act as if Marbury willingly refused to show up to practice. He was banished by the Knicks. He would have loved to play for the Knicks and did so in the preseason. The reason he's not "giving anything for the money he is receiving" is purely because of Knick management, not because of Marbury.

Sure they sent him home and agreed to pay him to stay away but that was after he had already made it clear that he was going to be a major sized pain in the ass and disrupt everything and anything he could with the team.


This is just flat out false. Marbury did not make any such thing clear. When he got benched, he said all the right things. This is just you feeding into a negative perception.


He's selfish because he wants all his money without haviong to do anything for it. In my world you should earn money. He's not earning a dime right now.

How does a basketball player earn his money? By playing basketball. How does Stephon Marbury earn his money by being under contract with the New York Knicks? By playing basketball for the New York Knicks. He's not being allowed to do that and that's not his fault. He kept up his end of the bargain.


I look at it as a guy who is a scumbag who signed a contract and did everything he could to get as much of that contract as possible for the least amount of work. That's unethical and dumb and lazy and selfish in my book.
 
Not to beat a dead horse...Stephon Marbury was never going to be given a chance to earn the contract this year. That's not on Marbury.

Soap, with all due respect, you, me, nick, or anyone else isnt in the Knicks huddles, locker rooms, practices or any of that stuff, so you cant argue that Marbury has done nothing.  While like I said, nobody can prove he has been a model citizen either, but you would agree that the Knicks wouldnt just banish him for nothing right?  And while hes tries very hard to make the Knicks looks like the ONLY bad guy in this situation, his antics during this whole episode has done nothing but reinforce everything thats been said about him.  If someone just wanted this over with, was trying to look like a good guy that 'just wants to play basketball'  you wouldnt storm out of meeting right in front of the media, you wouldnt show up in the stands at your teams games, and wouldnt go around on a high horse talking about how youre planning on going to a championship caliber team.  It's just not right.  How many players in the NBA have been bought out of their contracts before??  Theres always a settlement.  The player forfeits an agreed upon amount in exchange for becoming a free agent and be able to choose the next team he plays on.  In this situation, Marbury is handcuffing the Knicks if you think about it, hes trying to take advantage of his own horrible reputation.  He knows NO team in the NBA is going to give up any kind of value for him in a trade, its not going to happen.  So he knows the Knicks cant get rid of him, and since he wants to be a free agent hes trying to become a HUGE distraction until he gets what he wants....with ALL of his money, and if you dont pay him his money hes gonna be a distraction ALL YEAR long.  So if you want him gone, Pay him his money, and let him go where he wants, which is a place like Boston where he can really stick it to you.  I guarantee you he has no problem playing back up PG if he gets a chance to win a ring to really stick it to the Knicks.

Thats Selfish man.  He's really become the Terrell Owens of the NBA, if not worse, at least TO has proved he can carry a team to the Super Bowl.

[cordobes]

Buy-outs are generally used when it's the player that asks to leave. Marbury was ready to play, did what he was told and he was basically fooled by D'Antoni. Anyway, it's the Knicks that want him gone. In this kind of situation, teams generally waive players, paying them the entire contract.

[nickagneta]

Apparently Starbury deserting the team last year and then threatening to blackmail Isiah Thomas and James Dolan is constructive behavior. Apparently, Marbury being peaved behind the scenes that D'Antoni told him that he, D'Antoni would be making the decisions as to who starts at PG and not Marbury is acceptable behavior. Apparently when informed that the Knicks had traded away Jamal Crawford and that the log jam at PG was over and that Marbury could be the starter now and then Marbury refusing to play to the point that it left D'Antoni with only seven players to play one night makes Marbury a model citizen. Apparently, because a basketball player showed up in shape to play basketball(wow, amazing, Marbury should be commended for doing what he is under contract to do), the Knicks are the bad guys because they decided for a part of the season that that player wasn't their best option at PG and wanted him coming off the bench. I especially love the fact that he should be lauded for saying that his team mates were"shooting him in the head" and that D'Antoni was a liar.

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2008/12/marbury_withdra.html

The Players' Association believes the Knicks must show "just cause'' to discipline Marbury beyond the $400,000 worth of fines and one-game suspension they gave him for allegedly refusing to play in Detroit. I guess Walsh could hand the Players' Association a copy of The Post from yesterday and Marbury's inflammatory quotes about his teammates "shooting him in the head''. and calling D'Antoni a liar.
I do find it ironic that Marbury doesn't want to play for D'Antoni but wants to practice for D'Antoni. (He actually feels it's in his best interests to attend practice and stay in shape).

He refused to play twice for this team. TWICE!! How is that fulfilling his contractual obligations? And then as greg so astutely pointed out, he has become as big a destraction as he possibly can be without actually being WITH the team. How is that constructive, smart business and how does not living up to your contractual obligation of playing basketball by refusing to play basketball being a good guy.

You need to check your facts soap before patently rejecting what has already been reported by several New York and national media outlets.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11222008/sports/knicks/marbury_refuses_to_play_in_loss_140193.htm

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/11/28/2008-11-28_knicks_suspend_stephon_marbury.html

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/sports/basketball/NATL-Marbury-Refuses-to-Play-and-the-Knicks-Have-Had-Enough.html

[greenwise]

Ray Allen comments on Marbury too:

“I think it is somewhat disappointing watching what has happened with Stephon,” Allen said. It’s disappointing, because whatever is going on with the Knicks, I thought he could still help that team. It’s not like he’s a guy who can’t play basketball anymore.”

Allen said Marbury is likely gaining extra motivation.

“It’s speculation, but if he has a reason for coming here,” Allen said, “I’m sure he’s taking care of himself.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/01/marbury_in_ray.html

[soap07]

He refused to play twice for this team. TWICE!! How is that fulfilling his contractual obligations? And then as greg so astutely pointed out, he has become as big a destraction as he possibly can be without actually being WITH the team. How is that constructive, smart business and how does not living up to your contractual obligation of playing basketball by refusing to play basketball being a good guy.

You need to check your facts soap before patently rejecting what has already been reported by several New York and national media outlets.


You need to show both sides of the story before feeding into negative spew. Marbury said that the way D'Antoni approached him about minutes was that he said, "Hey Stephon, there are X amount of minutes available if you want them," and Marbury said no. It wasn't, "Stephon, go in" and Marbury saying, "No, I refuse." There is a huge difference.

Apparently, Marbury being peaved behind the scenes that D'Antoni told him that he, D'Antoni would be making the decisions as to who starts at PG and not Marbury is acceptable behavior.

Please show proof of this please. When did Marbury say he was angry about D'Antoni making the decisions about who would be starting at the point? The irresponsible nature of your posts in this thread are really unbecoming. You're spinning facts.

Apparently when informed that the Knicks had traded away Jamal Crawford and that the log jam at PG was over and that Marbury could be the starter now and then Marbury refusing to play to the point that it left D'Antoni with only seven players to play one night makes Marbury a model citizen.

What are you talking about? Marbury was never offered to start.

Apparently, because a basketball player showed up in shape to play basketball(wow, amazing, Marbury should be commended for doing what he is under contract to do), the Knicks are the bad guys because they decided for a part of the season that that player wasn't their best option at PG and wanted him coming off the bench.

Again, wrong...Irresponsible, spinning facts, etc. The Knicks didn't decide they wanted Marbury coming off the bench. They decided they didn't want him playing period. Big difference. This truth thing is a huge burden, I'm sure, in your hatred of Marbury but please try to fight through it.

I especially love the fact that he should be lauded for saying that his team mates were"shooting him in the head" and that D'Antoni was a liar.

First of all, who said he should be lauded for that? I think you're just arguing with yourself here. Secondly, how do you know D'Antoni didn't lie about the situation about Marbury refusing to play? You don't. You assume.

[winsomme]

Buy-outs are generally used when it's the player that asks to leave. Marbury was ready to play, did what he was told and he was basically fooled by D'Antoni. Anyway, it's the Knicks that want him gone. In this kind of situation, teams generally waive players, paying them the entire contract.

D'Antoni just wanted to go another direction. maybe things were said. maybe D'Antoni just wasn't a fan of how Mar plays, played, will play...what have you...D'Antoni is under no obligation to play Mar or even have him on the active roster.

what's wrong with D'Antoni not wanting Mar to be his PG?

both parties would like to part ways. so both parties should be conceeding.

Mar expecting to get paid in full AND be released is why some people feel he is being greedy/selfish.

one or the other. if he wants ALL his money, then suck it up and sit out the season. but if he wants to play this season, then come to the bargaining table with something to offer.