Powe or Davis?

[Atzar]

Leon is a keeper. I'd trade BBD, but very reluctantly. Why would you want to get rid of either one?
And you said somewhere that POB is developing into a nice backup? I guess I'll have to watch the games a little harder to see that

He was talking about POB in his video game.

[crownsy]

Leon is a keeper. I'd trade BBD, but very reluctantly. Why would you want to get rid of either one?
And you said somewhere that POB is developing into a nice backup? I guess I'll have to watch the games a little harder to see that

He was talking about POB in his video game.

I trade the POB and sam for Brian Skinner in my game.

NBA2k9 belives in sam BTW, he's rated a 79. he was p---ed i wouldn't make him a 6th man, so out the door he went 

[nickagneta]

why is powe not playing at least 20 min per game?
why is davis recently coming off bench first?  why isn't rondo playing 40 min per game? 

1. because that KG fella tends to play more than 28 minutes, and powe doesn't play the 5.

2. Because latley Perk is the first to the bench, and davis is his back up. also, glen has been playing really well, which has enabled him to snag 3-5 minutes of KG's backup time at the 4 in addition to his time at 5.

3. I dunno, ask doc. Even when rondo is having a great night, he seems to be capped at about 34 minutes. its annoying as hell, espcially when he pulls him late in the third when hes playing good defense and we don't see him again till 5-4 minutes left in the 4th. I know doc wants to cut the starters minutes to keep them fresh, but IMO rondo should be immune to that, as unlike GPA he's 22 and needs the reps.

Totally agree that Doc should leave Rondo in when he's playing well.  Tony Allen also.  The other night Tony was on fire; making things happen on both ends of the court, and the next thing I know he's on the bench.  Repetitions when things are going well can only reinforce good habbits with these two.

Can you really complain about how Doc is meting out the minutes when the starters(in order PP, RA, KG, RR, KP) have MPG averages of 36.4, 35.3, 32.8, 30.7 and 27.2, the teams has played the most games in the league and the most back to backs in the league and has a league best record of 17-2?

All things considered I think Doc is doing an unbelievable job at making sure everybody is getting good playing time while developing an awesome 9 man rotation. Keep it just the way it is.

[fatherscott]

For the sake of this year, I'd say keep both. When it comes to long-term/resigning considerations, give me Powe all day. Davis is kind of fun to cheer for but he's not the player Powe is.

[Chris]

I say keep them both this year, since I think they both have more value to the C's than they will have in a trade.  But for next year, all things being equal (meaning there are not drastic differences in asking prices), I would say to keep Powe.

And I say this, with the acknowledgement that Davis has been a more consistent, and IMO important player to the C's rotation so far this year, because I think he has been the leader of their defense off the bench, and in general has been a steadying force to a very unsteady second unit.  But I think it will be easier to find a replacement for that in free agency than it would be to find a replacement for Powe's explosiveness.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I say keep them both this year, since I think they both have more value to the C's than they will have in a trade.  But for next year, all things being equal (meaning there are not drastic differences in asking prices), I would say to keep Powe.

And I say this, with the acknowledgement that Davis has been a more consistent, and IMO important player to the C's rotation so far this year, because I think he has been the leader of their defense off the bench, and in general has been a steadying force to a very unsteady second unit.  But I think it will be easier to find a replacement for that in free agency than it would be to find a replacement for Powe's explosiveness.

That's pretty much how I see it. Early on in the season Powe seemed to be standing out easily while Davis looked lost. But Davis has progressed quite a bit during the season, and he's looking quite good. His defense against opposing centers is something to really consider, and his development as the season continues is something that the organization has to keep an eye on. If that jumper of his starts falling with any consistency, it would be a huge asset that will be hard to dismiss.

But if we're talking about resigning, I think Powe might be the guy... though at the time being I like Baby on the floor more. Powe's low post presence is something we lack in our team, and that he's able to bring it might make him more valuable to us despite his problems in other areas.

[crownsy]

why is powe not playing at least 20 min per game?
why is davis recently coming off bench first?  why isn't rondo playing 40 min per game? 

1. because that KG fella tends to play more than 28 minutes, and powe doesn't play the 5.

2. Because latley Perk is the first to the bench, and davis is his back up. also, glen has been playing really well, which has enabled him to snag 3-5 minutes of KG's backup time at the 4 in addition to his time at 5.

3. I dunno, ask doc. Even when rondo is having a great night, he seems to be capped at about 34 minutes. its annoying as hell, espcially when he pulls him late in the third when hes playing good defense and we don't see him again till 5-4 minutes left in the 4th. I know doc wants to cut the starters minutes to keep them fresh, but IMO rondo should be immune to that, as unlike GPA he's 22 and needs the reps.

Totally agree that Doc should leave Rondo in when he's playing well.  Tony Allen also.  The other night Tony was on fire; making things happen on both ends of the court, and the next thing I know he's on the bench.  Repetitions when things are going well can only reinforce good habbits with these two.

Can you really complain about how Doc is meting out the minutes when the starters(in order PP, RA, KG, RR, KP) have MPG averages of 36.4, 35.3, 32.8, 30.7 and 27.2, the teams has played the most games in the league and the most back to backs in the league and has a league best record of 17-2?

All things considered I think Doc is doing an unbelievable job at making sure everybody is getting good playing time while developing an awesome 9 man rotation. Keep it just the way it is.

I wouldn't call it complaining, I don't think every time i disagree with doc on an issue It's a complaint.

 i would just like to see a improving 22 year old PG get as much time as he can right now. I understand the dialing back of minutes at the other positions, but rajon is 22 years old. And, not only that, if he got to stay out on the floor with the second unit + one other starter more, prehaps that would lead to developing the part of his game that needs the most work, namely offensive plays other than drive the lane. Without 3 HOF'ers out there to defer to, he might feel more comfrtable being  a bit more of a focal point of the offense, which will only help his development down the road.

If rajon was a 5th or 6th year vet, i would be all about keeping his minutes low. But he still needs game experiance, and he's young enough to get it without to much of a problem fatiuge wise.

Obviously its situational, i don't want him playing 39 minutes in a blow out on the first game of a back to back. but do i think it unreasonable to see him average 40 or so minutes as opposed to 36? no i don't.

Also, if were worried about rays minutes, We could offset the loss of eddies backup PG minutes by running a rajon/house combo to get ray more rest, rather than the mix of house/ray/TA or house/TA/pierce we get now.

Questioning is not always a complaint. 

[Birdbrain]

I say cut POB and resign both. BBD is your backup 5 and so far he's done an admirable job at it. There really is no need to choose if POB is gone.

I agree with this. Their games are nothing a like they play together fairly well.  Although I think they can keep all 3 and see how POB does with another year of CELTIC training under his belt.

FYI for the Powefans Davis does more on the court to help the team win.  Powe better work on staying in front of his guy because the C's are defense first.  I love Powe as well but, this concept that it's so clear to some of you how much better Powe is to Davis is incorrect.

[Chris]

If rajon was a 5th or 6th year vet, i would be all about keeping his minutes low. But he still needs game experiance, and he's young enough to get it without to much of a problem.

I feel the same way...although I am starting to question myself on it.  Even though Rondo is a young guy, and in tremendous shape, it is difficult for any player to go 100% for more than 30-35 minutes per game.  It seems the Doc treats Rondo very similarly to Garnett, and that makes sense.  They are both beyond "high energy" players, which means that they need to play at a high energy level to be effective.  This is different than guys like Pierce or Allen, who can get away with coasting at times, and rely on their skills and outside shots.

So by keeping Rondo and Garnett on more strict rotations to limit their minutes, Doc is able to maximize their effectiveness when they are on the court.

[crownsy]

I say cut POB and resign both. BBD is your backup 5 and so far he's done an admirable job at it. There really is no need to choose if POB is gone.

I agree with this. Their games are nothing a like they play together fairly well.  Although I think they can keep all 3 and see how POB does with another year of CELTIC training under his belt.

FYI for the Powefans Davis does more on the court to help the team win.  Powe better work on staying in front of his guy because the C's are defense first.  I love Powe as well but, this concept that it's so clear to some of you how much better Powe is to Davis is incorrect.

Powe is a better rebounder on offense and defense, and a much better scorer and paint player on offense. Baby is a better defender, and is developign a ncie jumper, which will help him catch up on offense as he develops it.

 also, Leon is not the sive some are pretending he is. Davis is a better defender, but to here some talk you would think powe is steve nash level.

[Chris]

I say cut POB and resign both. BBD is your backup 5 and so far he's done an admirable job at it. There really is no need to choose if POB is gone.

I agree with this. Their games are nothing a like they play together fairly well.  Although I think they can keep all 3 and see how POB does with another year of CELTIC training under his belt.

FYI for the Powefans Davis does more on the court to help the team win.  Powe better work on staying in front of his guy because the C's are defense first.  I love Powe as well but, this concept that it's so clear to some of you how much better Powe is to Davis is incorrect.

I think if the money is right, they will try to sign them both...but it all comes down to the money.

I also think unless he make a dramatic improvement, POB will be lucky to be on the roster for the rest of this season, let alone next season.

[Birdbrain]

Baby is clearly much better passer, shooter (although not great) shoots FTs 100X better which is my major concern with Powe and they are about equal in the rebounding department.

Powe is a better low post scorer.

[Redz]

Baby is clearly much better passer, shooter (although not great) shoots FTs 100X better which is my major concern with Powe and they are about equal in the rebounding department.

Powe is a better low post scorer.

Baby's also starting get pretty decent with the midrange J.

[Chris]

I say cut POB and resign both. BBD is your backup 5 and so far he's done an admirable job at it. There really is no need to choose if POB is gone.

I agree with this. Their games are nothing a like they play together fairly well.  Although I think they can keep all 3 and see how POB does with another year of CELTIC training under his belt.

FYI for the Powefans Davis does more on the court to help the team win.  Powe better work on staying in front of his guy because the C's are defense first.  I love Powe as well but, this concept that it's so clear to some of you how much better Powe is to Davis is incorrect.

Powe is a better rebounder on offense and defense, and a much better scorer and paint player on offense. Baby is a better defender, and is developign a ncie jumper, which will help him catch up on offense as he develops it.

 also, Leon is not the sive some are pretending he is. Davis is a better defender, but to here some talk you would think he's steve nash level.

The problem with Powe is not his man to man defense, it is still his team defense.  He is still a step slow on his rotations, and has a tendency to get lost at times.  He is light-years better than where he was a year ago, but Davis has set a high standard with his team defense, and is now on-par with Garnett and Perk with his defensive positioning.

I also want to point out that even though Powe is a better rebounder, Davis does an exceptional job of maintaining inside position, and preventing his man from grabbing rebounds, even if he doesn't grab them himself.  In a lot of ways, he has become a mini-version of Perk, who has made a career of positional defense and rebounding.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I say cut POB and resign both. BBD is your backup 5 and so far he's done an admirable job at it. There really is no need to choose if POB is gone.

I agree with this. Their games are nothing a like they play together fairly well.  Although I think they can keep all 3 and see how POB does with another year of CELTIC training under his belt.

FYI for the Powefans Davis does more on the court to help the team win.  Powe better work on staying in front of his guy because the C's are defense first.  I love Powe as well but, this concept that it's so clear to some of you how much better Powe is to Davis is incorrect.

Powe is a better rebounder on offense and defense, and a much better scorer and paint player on offense. Baby is a better defender, and is developign a ncie jumper, which will help him catch up on offense as he develops it.

 also, Leon is not the sive some are pretending he is. Davis is a better defender, but to here some talk you would think powe is steve nash level.

Powe is quite good defensively when he's on the ball. He gets mixed up in the rotations from time to time, which is where his problems lie. From time to time they lead to easy layups. He also seems to have some trouble with picking up guys in transition, something else he needs to work on. His speed works against him when trying to recover. But when he's on the ball, he spreads his leg and keeps people in front of him... and he's quite good contesting shots too this way.