Powe or Davis?

[xmuscularghandix]

lets say you can't resign both of them. neither are your PF of the future, and your going big in the draft. who stays?


(im playing nba 2k9 and i plan on drafting a big man to be KG's replacement, and POB is developing into a nice backup C)

but this isn't just a video game question, when theres not enough space for both of them who do you keep?

[greg683x]

Unless someone offers him a absurd contract (which could happen), I think Leon Powe without a doubt.

Powes presence off the bench inside is HUGE for us. If he could only develop that midrange shot that BBD has developed, he'd be an even bigger weapon.  The jumper is the only thing BBD has on Powe in my opinion.

I'll always be a fan of BBD though b/c of his hustle, and his willingness to get his hands dirty to help pull out a W.  I'd say clearly though, Powe is the better player.  He's also the safe choice as well, since Powe is in excellent shape and there arent really any weight concerns.

[bucknersrevenge]

lets say you can't resign both of them. neither are your PF of the future, and your going big in the draft. who stays?


(im playing nba 2k9 and i plan on drafting a big man to be KG's replacement, and POB is developing into a nice backup C)

but this isn't just a video game question, when theres not enough space for both of them who do you keep?

I think it's fairly obvious Powe is the guy. He's a tough hard-nosed physical player down low. On offense his post game is getting better and better. On defense he's moving his feet better and his long wingspan has helped him get a few blocks rotating weakside despite being only 6'8.

As for Davis, no disrespect to the kid who is certainly hustling in his own right and giving his all but defensively he's not as good as Powe and Powe's ability to create offense in the post gives him a leg up. In the end you'd prefer a taller big man next to Powe coming off the bench anyway.

[Cman]

The question is, who can you get more for in a trade.  Trade that guy, keep the other.  I think Cs can get more back if they trade Powe now.  I hate to do it, but I think it is the move to make.  I really like Powe (part of that is because I am a Cal guy like him) and him not being a C won't change that.  If there is any way for him to end up with Golden State or the Kings (so he is closer to family) then that would be great...

[greg683x]

The question is, who can you get more for in a trade.  Trade that guy, keep the other.  I think Cs can get more back if they trade Powe now.  I hate to do it, but I think it is the move to make.  I really like Powe (part of that is because I am a Cal guy like him) and him not being a C won't change that.  If there is any way for him to end up with Golden State or the Kings (so he is closer to family) then that would be great...

It's definetly worth considering. But why do we always have to make a trade?  If it becomes obvious we wont be able to resign him in the offseason then I would agree with you, but I dont think thats the case yet.  Right now, as a team we're playing great defense, and we're 16-2 with argueably the toughest schedule in the basketball through the first 20 games.  Back up Center and backup SF can be viewed as holes on this team, but so far no ones been able to take advantage of them to any real extent.

If we're looking to fill holes on the team and we can get away with waiting for the draft to do it, I'm all for it.  Danny Ainge the draft scout is a far more reliable source of quality players than Danny Ainge the FA Scout or even trade-maker(Garnett and Allen aside).  Yes I do realize a veteran backup C is a better road to go on than a rookie, but if we're gonna get something for Powe I dont want it to be an over the hill, most likely overpaid back up C, and who knows PJ still may come back.

Right now Im just content with how things are.

[Scalablob990]

I may be wrong, but aren't both of their contracts up when the season ends? If I had to trade one of them in a bundle deal i'd use BBD. Leon is not the replacement for KG, or a starter, but his ceiling I believe is higher then BBD's. Supposedly Leon does have a jump shot, but doc told him he doesn't need to pull it out yet (That can mean alot of things...)

[ben]

why is powe not playing at least 20 min per game?
why is davis recently coming off bench first?  why isn't rondo playing 40 min per game? 

[BudweiserCeltic]

lets say you can't resign both of them. neither are your PF of the future, and your going big in the draft. who stays?


(im playing nba 2k9 and i plan on drafting a big man to be KG's replacement, and POB is developing into a nice backup C)

but this isn't just a video game question, when theres not enough space for both of them who do you keep?

I think it's fairly obvious Powe is the guy. He's a tough hard-nosed physical player down low. On offense his post game is getting better and better. On defense he's moving his feet better and his long wingspan has helped him get a few blocks rotating weakside despite being only 6'8.

As for Davis, no disrespect to the kid who is certainly hustling in his own right and giving his all but defensively he's not as good as Powe and Powe's ability to create offense in the post gives him a leg up. In the end you'd prefer a taller big man next to Powe coming off the bench anyway.

Powe's defense is better than Davis? Where did you come up with that? Although he looked better defensively early in the season, he's still showing signs of poor defensive rotations. Davis is easily a better defender than Powe, the only thing Powe has over him is that he is great taking charges.

With that said, I lean towards Davis, but I don't care one way or the other. Powe's defensive lapses are what prevents me from picking him. I also don't like how the ball sticks once he gets the ball. He rarely keeps the ball moving... at least he gets fouled a lot. I'd like it if he could read situations better so that he could see when his shot is there and when it isn't, so he could move the ball appropiately.

Davis needs better body control, and I really like his developing mid-range jumper. That's going to be huge for him, but it isn't there yet.

If this is about who we resign next year, I might say that Powe is the safer bet, but I wouldn't sleep on Davis.

[crownsy]

why is powe not playing at least 20 min per game?
why is davis recently coming off bench first?  why isn't rondo playing 40 min per game? 

1. because that KG fella tends to play more than 28 minutes, and powe doesn't play the 5.

2. Because latley Perk is the first to the bench, and davis is his back up. also, glen has been playing really well, which has enabled him to snag 3-5 minutes of KG's backup time at the 4 in addition to his time at 5.

3. I dunno, ask doc. Even when rondo is having a great night, he seems to be capped at about 34 minutes. its annoying as hell, espcially when he pulls him late in the third when hes playing good defense and we don't see him again till 5-4 minutes left in the 4th. I know doc wants to cut the starters minutes to keep them fresh, but IMO rondo should be immune to that, as unlike GPA he's 22 and needs the reps.

[JBcat]

As far as I know I believe both will be restricted free agents and with most teams trying to clear cap space for 2010 I can't see at this point teams offering contracts that we won't be able to match.   There will actually be a number of good free agent big men next year so if we happen to lose Powe or Davis I feel confident we could find a decent replacement.  

 Here are some names that will be unrestricted free agents Zaza Pachula, Drew Gooden, Brandon Bass, Chris Anderson, Rasheed Wallace, Rasho Nesterovic, Chris Mihm, Lamar Odom, Antoine Walker, Jamaal Magloire, Shawn Marion, Stromile Swift, Melvin Ely, Malik Rose, Mouhamed Sene, Joe Smith, Robert Swift, Adonal Foyle, Theo Ratliff, Raef LaFrentz, and Shelden Williams.   There are also players who will be restricted like our own 2 big guys like David Lee, Paul Millsap, Johan Petro, Charlie Villanueva,  Hakim Warrick, Paul Davis, Josh McRoberts, Aaron Gray, and Sean May.  I might have missed 1 or 2.   Say if we lose either one of our guys in free agency there couple names here that we could go after like Joe Smith but if Ainge really wants both guys back he might be able to do it at a reasonable price.

[nickagneta]

I say cut POB and resign both. BBD is your backup 5 and so far he's done an admirable job at it. There really is no need to choose if POB is gone.

[kenmaine]

Leon is a keeper. I'd trade BBD, but very reluctantly. Why would you want to get rid of either one?
And you said somewhere that POB is developing into a nice backup? I guess I'll have to watch the games a little harder to see that

[Brickowski]

I would resign them both.  They're both good players, but with different skills.  Why does it have to be one or the other?

[moiso]

why is powe not playing at least 20 min per game?
why is davis recently coming off bench first?  why isn't rondo playing 40 min per game? 

1. because that KG fella tends to play more than 28 minutes, and powe doesn't play the 5.

2. Because latley Perk is the first to the bench, and davis is his back up. also, glen has been playing really well, which has enabled him to snag 3-5 minutes of KG's backup time at the 4 in addition to his time at 5.

3. I dunno, ask doc. Even when rondo is having a great night, he seems to be capped at about 34 minutes. its annoying as hell, espcially when he pulls him late in the third when hes playing good defense and we don't see him again till 5-4 minutes left in the 4th. I know doc wants to cut the starters minutes to keep them fresh, but IMO rondo should be immune to that, as unlike GPA he's 22 and needs the reps.

Totally agree that Doc should leave Rondo in when he's playing well.  Tony Allen also.  The other night Tony was on fire; making things happen on both ends of the court, and the next thing I know he's on the bench.  Repetitions when things are going well can only reinforce good habbits with these two.

[Bankshot]

I would resign them both.  They're both good players, but with different skills.  Why does it have to be one or the other?

My take as well.  Powe is a better low post player, BBD is a better defender, mid range shooter , passer and has a higher BBIQ.  Both are very useful to the Celtics.