Who Will the Red Sox Target for 08/09 FA? Who Will They Trade?

[yall hate]

Redsox offered 20 for 8?? I doubt that texeira will like hearing such figures very much.

No offense to epstein and the rest of the redsox management but they are one frugal team

Are you suggesting they offered this?  there has been no news report that has stated what the Sox have offered.

The nats are believed to have offered 7-8 years at 20 mill per (although that report was questioned).  The Angels are believed to have offered 7 at 20 mill per, although that report was also unnamed sources. 

[Big_Matt34]

Redsox offered 20 for 8?? I doubt that texeira will like hearing such figures very much.

No offense to epstein and the rest of the redsox management but they are one frugal team

What are you talking about? 8 years 160 million was is basically what everyteam offered him. The Angels offered him the same deal, the Nationals offered him the same deal, the Orioles offered a bit less than that. I highly doubt that Tex got upset when he heard the offer.

Unless you somehow misinterpreted it and thought that the Sox offered Texiera 20 million total over 8 years, which he would laugh at. But id assume you just think that 160 million isnt close enough to sign Tex because i dont think anybody would really believe the Sox would offer 20 million total.

[Big_Matt34]

Redsox offered 20 for 8?? I doubt that texeira will like hearing such figures very much.

No offense to epstein and the rest of the redsox management but they are one frugal team

Are you suggesting they offered this?  there has been no news report that has stated what the Sox have offered.

The nats are believed to have offered 7-8 years at 20 mill per (although that report was questioned).  The Angels are believed to have offered 7 at 20 mill per, although that report was also unnamed sources. 

Don't know how accurate it is but Gordon Edes says the Angels were told the Sox offered 8 years for 160 million.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-teixeiranegotiations121108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&expire=1
 
Also the Angels GM Tony Reagins said they offered TEx a 8 year deal at the winter meetings but did not say how much overall, but id assume its around 160 million. Its in the link below

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081213&content_id=3716284&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

[yall hate]

Redsox offered 20 for 8?? I doubt that texeira will like hearing such figures very much.

No offense to epstein and the rest of the redsox management but they are one frugal team

Are you suggesting they offered this?  there has been no news report that has stated what the Sox have offered.

The nats are believed to have offered 7-8 years at 20 mill per (although that report was questioned).  The Angels are believed to have offered 7 at 20 mill per, although that report was also unnamed sources. 

Don't know how accurate it is but Gordon Edes says the Angels were told the Sox offered 8 years for 160 million.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-teixeiranegotiations121108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&expire=1
 
Also the Angels GM Tony Reagins said they offered TEx a 8 year deal at the winter meetings but did not say how much overall, but id assume its around 160 million. Its in the link below

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081213&content_id=3716284&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

Yea and you know who the angels source likely wise.  Boras.  That means nothing.  I'm surprised they werent told the sox had offered 200 mill.

The bottom line is that it is likeyl going to cost more then 20 per year.  probably 22-24 per year for 6-8 years gets it done. 

if the sox want him, they wont be outbid.  i guess we just need to wait and see how much they want him and whether he wants to be here.

[Big_Matt34]

Oh i figured Boras fed the Angels that, i was just giving the only link i could find that actually said the Sox did offer him a deal and gave an amount.

The Angels however did offer him 8 years, thats directly from their Gm's mouth. I think the Sox do end up with Texiera, I think it will end up being a deal around 7 years 160 million or so.

[kenmaine]

160 million dollars= frugal?
Stop the insanity please.
When you're dealing with that much money, it's really kind of stupid(for the player) to go with the team offering an extra few million or an extra year. You're going to have more money than any sane person could spend in a lifetime, so just go where you'll be most comfortable playing, whether that means the team with the best chance to win, or a city near your family, city with good weather, etc.
So, if the guy has five or six offers of $20 million/yr for seven or eight years, shouldn't he just go where he thinks he'll most enjoy playing? 
OK- I know the answers- player vanity, and a disgustingly greedy agent.
Off topic- I see the Sox doing some kind of big promotion involving April and May tickets- lol.  Like they're doing fans a big favor selling them tix to sit in drizzly, 40 degree weather!

[Tr1boy]

My point is this, if the redsox really want texeira they need to ante up the offer slightly. (even if it is at 21 million per year)

If you keep raising your offer with the team that does it first , there is a higher chance that first team will sign that player

IF the amount figure offered by the sox are true, after the whole sabathia signing you would have thought the redsox would make a strong offer to tex, but it seems like they are playing a waiting game right now .

For me i would love teix personally but signing such high paying free agent will 1) mike lowell is still a really good 3b(i believe he will be back 100 percent next year) 2) signing texeira to even 20 million per year will make alot of redsox players unhappy since they feel he is not that much better than them(pedroia, youkilis as examples) and will be paid prob less than half of tex money per season

Ideally to take care of the offense issue, not sure what is happening with the catching free agent situation but if the sox can pull something big and get a guy like victor martinez that would kill two birds with one stone

[Chris]

My point is this, if the redsox really want texeira they need to ante up the offer slightly. (even if it is at 21 million per year)

If you keep raising your offer with the team that does it first , there is a higher chance that first team will sign that player

IF the amount figure offered by the sox are true, after the whole sabathia signing you would have thought the redsox would make a strong offer to tex, but it seems like they are playing a waiting game right now .

For me i would love teix personally but signing such high paying free agent will 1) mike lowell is still a really good 3b(i believe he will be back 100 percent next year) 2) signing texeira to even 20 million per year will make alot of redsox players unhappy since they feel he is not that much better than them(pedroia, youkilis as examples) and will be paid prob less than half of tex money per season

Ideally to take care of the offense issue, not sure what is happening with the catching free agent situation but if the sox can pull something big and get a guy like victor martinez that would kill two birds with one stone

The Sox will up their offer (if they even made a formal offer to begin with).  The thing is, Theo knows how Boras works.  He will sit there waiting for a team to blink...and then when they do, he will take that new high offer, and shop it to the other teams in the bidding to try to get a little extra.  The Sox know they lose nothing by just sitting back and waiting for the call from Boras saying that he is ready to take an offer from X team, can you beat it?  Boras is not going to freeze them out, because they are not raising the price right now, unnecessarily. 

I have a feeling that as long as the issue is just money, the Sox will get Tex.  However, if things like opt-outs and no trades become involved, the Sox will just walk away, and be happy that they have Lowell and Youk.

My guess is this is going to stay in a holding pattern for another few days, at which point, some team will blink and give them close to what Boras is looking for, and the Sox will then throw their bid in, which will likely be in the 8 years, $200 million range.

On another note, does anyone think Mark Mulder might be an interesting guy to pick up?  He is coming off shoulder surgery, but he is only 31 (I believe), and his agent is claiming he will be ready for spring training (of course thats not a credible source).  I think he would be a great candidate for a Colon-like "make good" contract where he can earn some money if he pitches, and is basically guaranteed a ML roster spot by a certain date, or else he will become a FA.  It would add some nice depth to the pitching staff that never hurts.

[Tr1boy]

Chris some fair points I almost forgot he was run by that crook.

Even though smoltz is 10 years older than mulder i rather have him as a vet pick up. I really don't like taking chances on an injured player because either they will just get reinjured or be healthy 60 percent of the time at best. (jd drew is awsome but he didn't play the whole season and i doubt he will be fully healthy in his career)

smoltz is a workhorse. (coudl be something to do with his effortless pitching technique helping him stay healthy)

[Chris]

Chris some fair points I almost forgot he was run by that crook.

Even though smoltz is 10 years older than mulder i rather have him as a vet pick up. I really don't like taking chances on an injured player because either they will just get reinjured or be healthy 60 percent of the time at best. (jd drew is awsome but he didn't play the whole season and i doubt he will be fully healthy in his career)

smoltz is a workhorse. (coudl be something to do with his effortless pitching technique helping him stay healthy)

Oh yeah, I take Smoltz over Mulder every-time (his bullpen experience also really adds to his value...if the kids end up sticking in the rotation, he could end up being a great asset in the bullpen to be able to minimize the use of Oki, Papelbon, and (possibly) Masterson).

But if the Sox can't get him, guys like Mulder and Garcia might be worth a look.

[yall hate]

My point is this, if the redsox really want texeira they need to ante up the offer slightly. (even if it is at 21 million per year)

If you keep raising your offer with the team that does it first , there is a higher chance that first team will sign that player

IF the amount figure offered by the sox are true, after the whole sabathia signing you would have thought the redsox would make a strong offer to tex, but it seems like they are playing a waiting game right now .

For me i would love teix personally but signing such high paying free agent will 1) mike lowell is still a really good 3b(i believe he will be back 100 percent next year) 2) signing texeira to even 20 million per year will make alot of redsox players unhappy since they feel he is not that much better than them(pedroia, youkilis as examples) and will be paid prob less than half of tex money per season

Ideally to take care of the offense issue, not sure what is happening with the catching free agent situation but if the sox can pull something big and get a guy like victor martinez that would kill two birds with one stone

The sox are likely bidding at the very top of the market.  just because he hasnt signed yet doesnt mean anything.  if they just listened to what Boras said the other offers were, then the bidding would hit astronomical levels.  Dont worry, they will get there.  All I am saying is for all we know, the sox are the high bidder but boras may be trying to get a higher amount.

and if they have offered a deal in the 6-8 year range at 20+ a season, I think that is a 'strong' offer.  I dont understand what you want them to do?  be fiscally irresponsible like the yankees and offer 40 million more then the next highest bidder?

The other players know it is a business.  they wont be p---ed.  Pedroia just got paid.  he wont have a problem with anything the team does.  Youk similarly wouldnt, he is older then tex, and has never been the power hitter that tex has been (no knock on youk).

The Indians wouldnt trade VMart, and even if they would, not sure he would be a good fit.  The talk is that he is going to need to play more and more 1b/dh rather then catcher. 

[cordobes]

A guy named Teixeira that plays for the Los Angeles something about whom I just read an article. I wasn't aware of his existence previously but the article says he's really good and I trust that magazine. He comes from a superior civilization, you can't go wrong with him. 

[Mean Gerald Green]

My point is this, if the redsox really want texeira they need to ante up the offer slightly. (even if it is at 21 million per year)

If you keep raising your offer with the team that does it first , there is a higher chance that first team will sign that player

IF the amount figure offered by the sox are true, after the whole sabathia signing you would have thought the redsox would make a strong offer to tex, but it seems like they are playing a waiting game right now .

For me i would love teix personally but signing such high paying free agent will 1) mike lowell is still a really good 3b(i believe he will be back 100 percent next year) 2) signing texeira to even 20 million per year will make alot of redsox players unhappy since they feel he is not that much better than them(pedroia, youkilis as examples) and will be paid prob less than half of tex money per season

Ideally to take care of the offense issue, not sure what is happening with the catching free agent situation but if the sox can pull something big and get a guy like victor martinez that would kill two birds with one stone

Why would Pedroia and Youkilis be angry at Teixeira? Teixeira has played at a high level for 6 seasons now. Pedroia has only played 2 seasons and last season was Youkilis's only season with 20+ homeruns and 100+ RBIs...They don't warrant contracts comprable to Teixeira's market value. I'm betting Teixeira will sign here and then Manny ends up with the Yankees or Angels.

Sox won't trade for VicMart...in fact I doubt they've even thought about it. He won't be catching much longer.

At this point the Sox main option at catcher is Jarrod Saltalamacchia, they've been after him for years now and they have they assets to get him. (Word is Nolan Ryan loves Clay Buchholz, but I'm guessing the Sox would be more apt to move Justin Masterson.)

[crownsy]

My point is this, if the redsox really want texeira they need to ante up the offer slightly. (even if it is at 21 million per year)

If you keep raising your offer with the team that does it first , there is a higher chance that first team will sign that player

IF the amount figure offered by the sox are true, after the whole sabathia signing you would have thought the redsox would make a strong offer to tex, but it seems like they are playing a waiting game right now .

For me i would love teix personally but signing such high paying free agent will 1) mike lowell is still a really good 3b(i believe he will be back 100 percent next year) 2) signing texeira to even 20 million per year will make alot of redsox players unhappy since they feel he is not that much better than them(pedroia, youkilis as examples) and will be paid prob less than half of tex money per season

Ideally to take care of the offense issue, not sure what is happening with the catching free agent situation but if the sox can pull something big and get a guy like victor martinez that would kill two birds with one stone

If they think tex isn't that much better than them, thier out of thier minds. The man is a switch hitter who averages 35 HR's, 125 RBI and a .290 average, and he's only 28 (soon to be 29) and he's been doing the above for 4 years.

I love petey and youk too, but thats slightly more than either of them is capable off. 

plus, unlike holliday, he can do it in the AL and away from coors.

[Tr1boy]

My point is this, if the redsox really want texeira they need to ante up the offer slightly. (even if it is at 21 million per year)

If you keep raising your offer with the team that does it first , there is a higher chance that first team will sign that player

IF the amount figure offered by the sox are true, after the whole sabathia signing you would have thought the redsox would make a strong offer to tex, but it seems like they are playing a waiting game right now .

For me i would love teix personally but signing such high paying free agent will 1) mike lowell is still a really good 3b(i believe he will be back 100 percent next year) 2) signing texeira to even 20 million per year will make alot of redsox players unhappy since they feel he is not that much better than them(pedroia, youkilis as examples) and will be paid prob less than half of tex money per season

Ideally to take care of the offense issue, not sure what is happening with the catching free agent situation but if the sox can pull something big and get a guy like victor martinez that would kill two birds with one stone

Why would Pedroia and Youkilis be angry at Teixeira? Teixeira has played at a high level for 6 seasons now. Pedroia has only played 2 seasons and last season was Youkilis's only season with 20+ homeruns and 100+ RBIs...They don't warrant contracts comprable to Teixeira's market value. I'm betting Teixeira will sign here and then Manny ends up with the Yankees or Angels.

Sox won't trade for VicMart...in fact I doubt they've even thought about it. He won't be catching much longer.

At this point the Sox main option at catcher is Jarrod Saltalamacchia, they've been after him for years now and they have they assets to get him. (Word is Nolan Ryan loves Clay Buchholz, but I'm guessing the Sox would be more apt to move Justin Masterson.)

Youkilis last year did 29hr 115 rbi with 390 obp. Tex did 33 hr with 121rbi and 410 obp. They are also both gold glover calibre.(with youk actually also an excellent 3b)

Are you meaning to tell me youk also only being one year older deserves about 10 million per year(becuase we all know thast how much he will get about max) and teix deserves double that??

If i were youk i be mad or want more money. Pedroia stat does not revolve around rbi's and home runs but he lead in how many catergories last year in the stats department and he will avg 7 million per year?? Ok i use pedrioa as an example because his contract situation is a little different but youk definitely would deserve 15 a year if tex for 20-22.

The more i think about it , i like tex but i hope a team like baltimore signs him instead. And we take care of our catching situation and another offensive need via catching position.

Redsox need to include declaremen with bowden to have a chance at teargarden